Author Topic: The Gun men who never went away... (Read 1557 times)

littlerose · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2010, 09:28:11 PM »

The videos describe activities but they don't tell us what are the actual conditions that motivate the fighters, and I went looking through other videos that are from the IRA side, but also did not find much helpful information about why they are still fighting.

The videos on both sides seem to appeal to a kind of masculine romance of battle, sometimes referring to past wrongs, but nowhere giving me, sitting here across the pond, any clue as to what they would like to see instead of what is there now, and I'm also pretty clueless about what is there, now.

Clovis, perhaps you could elaborate for us clueless Americans?

Clovis · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2010, 10:34:20 PM »

Quote from: littlerose

The videos describe activities but they don't tell us what are the actual conditions that motivate the fighters, and I went looking through other videos that are from the IRA side, but also did not find much helpful information about why they are still fighting.

The videos on both sides seem to appeal to a kind of masculine romance of battle, sometimes referring to past wrongs, but nowhere giving me, sitting here across the pond, any clue as to what they would like to see instead of what is there now, and I'm also pretty clueless about what is there, now.

Clovis, perhaps you could elaborate for us clueless Americans?

Read between the lines in the BBC docuмentary...Irish seperatists are considered a more serious threat than Islamic freedom fighters by the British state.

The Tories will need the Unionists to form to next "UK" goverment.

The war will be back in the six counties within 2 years at most.

littlerose · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2010, 10:38:05 PM »

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Quote from: littlerose
The videos describe activities but they don't tell us what are the actual conditions that motivate the fighters, and I went looking through other videos that are from the IRA side, but also did not find much helpful information about why they are still fighting.

The videos on both sides seem to appeal to a kind of masculine romance of battle, sometimes referring to past wrongs, but nowhere giving me, sitting here across the pond, any clue as to what they would like to see instead of what is there now, and I'm also pretty clueless about what is there, now.

Clovis, perhaps you could elaborate for us clueless Americans?

Read between the lines in the BBC docuмentary...Irish seperatists are considered a more serious threat than Islamic freedom fighters by the British state.

The Tories will need the Unionists to form to next "UK" goverment.

The war will be back in the six counties within 2 years at most.

I got that. But what are the conditions that make the Unionists angry enough to fight? What do they want to see instead?

Clovis · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2010, 11:27:42 PM »

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I got that. But what are the conditions that make the Unionists angry enough to fight? What do they want to see instead?

This French docuмentary from the 70s explains things...

littlerose · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2010, 01:01:37 AM »

I'm going through the whole series of docuмentaries related to that link. Extremely informative. I remember Bernadette Devlin, too! Had a copy of her book "The Price of My Soul" and heard her speak once.

I worry that the gap between what even the most popular ιnѕυrrєcтισn can muster and what the powers-that-be will have ready to retaliate is much wider today than it was during the "Troubles", however. I do believe the powers-that-be would rather incinerate the planet than allow the general population to have anything like the freedom and equality we all dream of.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2010, 01:24:15 AM »

Clovis, considering that you are sedevacantist and believe what calls itself the Catholic Church is not Catholic, how does that affect your support of the separatists? Doesn't it make their goals seem rather bizarre and pointless? Even if they rid themselves of the British scourge, they'd be ruled over by a Babylonian anti-Christ false Church.

littlerose · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2010, 01:26:38 AM »

patience, clovis, patience.... *sigh*

Clovis · « **Reply #9 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:56:49 PM »

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Clovis, considering that you are sedevacantist and believe what calls itself the Catholic Church is not Catholic, how does that affect your support of the separatists? Doesn't it make their goals seem rather bizarre and pointless? Even if they rid themselves of the British scourge, they'd be ruled over by a Babylonian anti-Christ false Church.

I dont support them as such.

I have friends though in the six counties. Honestly I do my best to try and ignore all politics full stop. Which is hard for me. Please remember me in your prayers.

littlerose · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2010, 09:54:05 AM »

Clovis, we should have to have this kind of discussion with Protestants. Anyone who calls our Catholic Church "Babylonian Anti-Christ" is going way beyond tolerable differences of opinion among Catholics. This is supposed to be a catholic board, and I strongly object to having this kind of ignorant protestant allowed to disrupt conversations here.

He obviously never lived through anything like the oppressive conditions his Protestant friends impose on Catholics in the Six Counties, and he obviously hates Catholics as completely as those protestants do.