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Offline dxcat40

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Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2022, 07:43:31 PM »
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  • https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-china-asia-japan-6a8ed850c06c21a4606cc7010697df11

    It's lengthy. Some highlights:

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    Xi, 69, is due to meet Putin in Uzbekistan this week at a summit of the eight-member Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which also includes Uzbekistan, India and Pakistan.
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    Putin and Xi will hold a one-on-one meeting Thursday and discuss Ukraine ahead of the next day’s security summit, the Russian president’s foreign affairs adviser, Yuri Ushakov, told reporters in Moscow.
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    The summit takes Xi abroad while the party prepares for an October congress at which he is expected to break with political tradition and try to award himself a third five-year term as leader.
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    Xi declared the two governments had a “no limits” friendship when the Russian leader attended the Winter Olympics in Beijing ahead of the Feb. 24 attack on Ukraine.

    The two governments have no alliance and have differing interests in Europe, said Wang Yiwei, an international relations expert at Renmin University in Beijing. He said the “no limits” language is meant to give them leverage in dealing with the West on Taiwan and other issues.

    “This is a deterrence,” Wang said. He said China wants an independent foreign policy: “If we put China and Russia too close, it’s not necessarily good for China.”
    Curious coincidence:
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    Pope Francis is to be in Kazakhstan at the same time as Xi, but there was no indication they might meet. Aboard his flight, the pope was asked about a possible meeting and replied, “I don’t have any news about this. But I am always ready to go to China.”
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    At a July meeting, Foreign Minister Wang Yi told his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, that China would “strengthen strategic communication” with Moscow about international security, according to a statement by the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    That will “show the basic momentum of China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership” and “practice true multilateralism,” the ministry said.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #16 on: September 14, 2022, 01:01:11 PM »
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  • So one thought was that this was the famous Russian tactic of pulling out to draw the troops in so that they can be surrounded.  But reportedly the intent here was precisely to set up this next phase.  Withdrawal was actually ahead of this planned bombing, and the bombing was carried out so that they could cripple Ukraine's ability to send US and NATO arms to the front.  In particular, they wanted to stop or slow down the trains that are carrying these armaments so as to destroy them.

    Evidently the Russian public are getting tired of this stretching out so long and there has been pressure on Putin to escalate, especially from the right wing.  Thus far he has tried to avoid taking out civilian infrastructure, but it seems like the pressure from the right has gotten too strong, so he had to up the game.  Every time a Russian soldier died because Putin has been so "soft" in conducting this operation, that increased pressure on Putin to escalate.




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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #17 on: September 14, 2022, 01:58:56 PM »
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  •  How organic are these movements and revolutions? Was Venezuela scripted to fall? The refugees from there and elsewhere in Latin America have been used to great effect. Destabilization, economic disruption and control, a base of terror operations, there are many possible goals that have been achieved.
    In my opinion, the coup against Perez Jimenez before he developed his politics was the main cause of what has happened with Venezuela. And behind the coup was the US in collaboration with a sector of the Venezuelan army. If you're asking if there was someone plotting behind Chavez, I really don't know. I have not investigated it. 

    But I think it was a matter of time for something like it to arrive if the country's decline wasn't reversed, Venezuela's problems date back long before Chavez.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #18 on: September 14, 2022, 05:18:27 PM »
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  • Ukraine has proven that Russia's ground forces aren't up to task, unless they have somehow only feigned weakness. Russia probably has the best missile technologies ready-to-go and more warheads than anyone, but that would leave them open to massive retaliation by the United States. If they want to defeat the US and NATO, Russia's allies are going to have to get involved. China is apparently still waiting for something before its attack on Taiwan. Turkey may have something to do with it in Europe. Then there are countries such as North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Venezuela, etc.
    And what would that be? Unless they send  massive divisions of transgenders from the rainbow battalion against Russians in Ukro-nαzι land? Russia already stated, that haven't even been trying there yet with it's real military. Ukrops shot their load with this big advance and took heavy losses, penetrated way too deep in what is more or less russian territory in Ukraine. They are completely surrounded and vulnerable. This is it for them, their big "win". They have nothing left. and NATO is not going full in, no way right now, they're already going to freeze to death this winter.




    If and that's a big "IF", the U.S.will do anything at this point. and for all the stupidest things biden has done so far, goin all in on ukraine right now, will not just be the end of him, but the end game for America.

    The united states of sodom will not win a land war in Russia and if it tries to go nuclear, it does not end well for anyone on the planet.

     
    Checkmate.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #19 on: September 14, 2022, 10:03:24 PM »
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  • Apologizing for your slanders would be easier than acting as the prognosticator. Give it a try.


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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #20 on: September 16, 2022, 10:26:25 PM »
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  • Excerpts:

    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-japan-india-asia-dbe2a0bda954e06bb8fcb7cccbd39b21

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    Speaking at the start of talks with Xi in Uzbekistan, Putin said he was ready to discuss unspecified “concerns” by China about Ukraine.

    “We highly appreciate the well-balanced position of our Chinese friends in connection with the Ukrainian crisis,” Putin said, facing Xi across a long table.

    “We understand your questions and your concerns in this regard, and we certainly will offer a detailed explanation of our stand on this issue during today’s meeting, even though we already talked about it earlier,” he added.


    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/16/world/ukraine-russia-war

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    “I know that today’s era is not of war,” [Prime Minister (of India) Narendra Modi] said. “Today we will get a chance to discuss how we can move forward on the path of peace in the coming days.”

    The tone of the meeting was friendly, with both leaders referring to their long shared history. Before Mr. Modi made his comments, Mr. Putin said he understood India’s concerns about the war in Ukraine.

    “I know your position on the conflict in Ukraine, your concerns that you constantly express. We will do our best to stop this as soon as possible,” he said. “Only, unfortunately, the opposing side, the leadership of Ukraine, announced its abandonment of the negotiation process,” he added.

    Mr. Modi’s comments came a day after President Xi Jinping of China — in his first face-to-face meeting with Mr. Putin since the invasion began — struck a far more subdued tone than the Russian president, and steered clear in his public comments of any mention of Ukraine. The muted Chinese support was a sign that Russia lacks the full backing of its most powerful international partner as it tries to recover from a humiliating rout in northeastern Ukraine last week.
    Says about the same thing here:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/562963-putin-modi-talks-ukraine/

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    Russia is prepared to do everything possible to end the conflict in Ukraine “as soon as possible,” but Kiev refuses to talk, Russian President Vladimir Putin told Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday. The first in-person meeting of the two leaders since 2019 took place on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in Samarkand, Uzbekistan.

    Putin told the prime minister that he is aware of his “concerns” over the conflict in Ukraine and pledged to “do everything to ensure that all of this stops as soon as possible.”

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    Unfortunately, the opposite side, the leadership of Ukraine, has refused the negotiation process. {They} declared that they want to achieve their goals by military means, or, as they say, ‘on the battlefield,’” Putin explained.

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    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-health-covid-6da5f93a0427f4410ec12b0388c47019

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    SAMARKAND, Uzbekistan (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin vowed Friday to press his attack on Ukraine despite Ukraine’s latest counteroffensive and warned that Moscow could ramp up its strikes on the country’s vital infrastructure if Ukrainian forces target facilities in Russia.

    Speaking to reporters Friday after attending a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in Uzbekistan, Putin said the “liberation” of Ukraine’s entire eastern Donbas region remained Russia’s main military goal and that he sees no need to revise it.

    “We aren’t in a rush,” the Russian leader said, adding that Moscow has only deployed volunteer soldiers to fight in Ukraine. Some hard-line politicians and military bloggers have urged the Kremlin to follow Ukraine’s example and order a broad mobilization to beef up the ranks, lamenting Russia’s manpower shortage.

    Russia was forced to pull back its forces from large swaths of northeastern Ukraine last week after a swift Ukrainian counteroffensive. Ukraine’s move to reclaim control of several Russian-occupied cities and villages marked the largest military setback for Moscow since its forces had to retreat from areas near the capital early in the war.

    In his first comment on the Ukrainian counteroffensive, Putin said: “Let’s see how it develops and how it ends.”

    He noted that Ukraine has tried to strike civilian infrastructure in Russia and “we so far have responded with restraint, but just yet.”

    “If the situation develops this way, our response will be more serious,” Putin said.

    “Just recently, the Russian armed forces have delivered a couple of impactful strikes,” he said in an apparent reference to Russian attacks earlier this week on power plants in northern Ukraine and a dam in the south. ”Let’s consider those as warning strikes.”

    He alleged, without offering specifics, that Ukraine has attempted to launch attacks “near our nuclear facilities, nuclear power plants,” adding that “we will retaliate if they fail to understand that such methods are unacceptable.”

    Russia has reported numerous explosions and fires at civilian infrastructure in areas near Ukraine, as well munitions depots and other facilities. Ukraine has claimed responsibility for some of the attacks and refrained from commenting on others.

    Putin also sought Friday to assuage India’s concern about the conflict in Ukraine, telling Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi that Moscow wants to see a quick end to the fighting and alleging that Ukrainian officials won’t negotiate.

    “I know your stand on the conflict in Ukraine and the concerns that you have repeatedly voiced,” the Russian leader told Modi. “We will do all we can to end that as quickly as possible. Regrettably, the other side, the leadership of Ukraine, has rejected the negotiations process and stated that it wants to achieve its goals by military means, on the battlefield.”

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says it’s Russia that allegedly doesn’t want to negotiate in earnest. He also has insisted on the withdrawal of Russian troops from occupied areas of Ukraine as a precondition for talks.

    Putin’s remarks during the talks with Modi echoed comments the Russian leader made during Thursday’s meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping when Putin thanked him for his government’s “balanced position” on the Ukraine war, while adding that he was ready to discuss China’s unspecified “concerns” about Ukraine.

    Speaking to reporters Friday, Putin said he and Xi “discussed what we should do in the current conditions to efficiently counter unlawful restrictions” imposed by the West. The European Union, the United States and other Western nations have put sanctions on Russian energy due to the war in Ukraine.

    Xi, in a statement released by his government, expressed support for Russia’s “core interests” but also interest in working together to “inject stability” into world affairs. China’s relations with Washington, Europe, Japan and India have been strained by disputes about technology, security, human rights and territory.

    Zhang Lihua, an international relations expert at Tsinghua University, said the reference to stability “is mainly related to China-U.S. relations,” adding that “the United States has been using all means to suppress China, which forced China to seek cooperation with Russia.”

    China and India have refused to join Western sanctions against Russia over its war in Ukraine while increasing their purchases of Russian oil and gas, helping Moscow offset the financial restrictions imposed by the U.S. and its allies.

    Putin also met Friday with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to discuss bolstering economic cooperation and regional issues, including a July deal brokered by Turkey and the United Nations that allowed Ukrainian grain exports to resume from the country’s Black Sea ports.

    Speaking at the Uzbekistan summit on Friday, Xi warned his Central Asian neighbors not to allow outsiders to destabilize them. The warning reflects Beijing’s anxiety that Western support for democracy and human rights activists is a plot to undermine Xi’s ruling Communist Party and other authoritarian governments.

    “We should prevent external forces from instigating a color revolution,” Xi said in a speech to the leaders of Shanghai Cooperation Organization member nations, referring to protests that toppled unpopular regimes in the former Soviet Union and the Middle East.

    Xi offered to train 2,000 police officers, to set up a regional counterterrorism training center and to “strengthen law enforcement capacity building.” He did not elaborate.

    His comments echoed longtime Russian grievances about the color-coded democratic uprisings in several ex-Soviet nations that the Kremlin viewed as instigated by the U.S. and its allies.

    Xi is promoting a “Global Security Initiative” announced in April following the formation of the Quad by the U.S., Japan, Australia and India in response to Beijing’s more assertive foreign policy. U.S. officials complain it echoes Russian arguments in support of Moscow’s actions in Ukraine.

    Central Asia is part of China’s multibillion-dollar Belt and Road Initiative to expand trade by building ports, railways and other infrastructure across an arc of dozens of countries from the South Pacific through Asia to the Middle East, Europe and Africa.

    The Shanghai Cooperation Organization was formed by Russia and China as a counterweight to U.S. influence. The group also includes India, Pakistan and the four ex-Soviet Central Asian nations of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Iran is on track to receive full membership.


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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #21 on: September 17, 2022, 03:54:02 PM »
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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #24 on: September 27, 2022, 06:31:34 PM »
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  • The gas pipelines from Russia into Europe that go under the Baltic Sea have been attacked with explosives, probably in a military operation. It's unknown which military did it, but a Swedish seismic institution detected explosions rocking the bottom of the Baltic Sea. The gas pressure in the pipeline went down almost to nothing, and there are three places where gas bubbles are leaking up to the surface. Those locations are carefully selected to be just in international waters, but the pipeline has been attacked in three different places.

    It is not known who bombed the pipeline as of now. I don't think Russia did it, because I believe they own one end of the line, so if they wanted to shut the gas off into Europe, they would just close the valve on their end. Someone else must be behind this.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #25 on: September 28, 2022, 05:39:58 AM »
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  • CIA job, and they are getting a bit slow with these little foreign ops...
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/07/ukraine-russia-scholz-biden-macron/

    Cuo bono? - mostly (O)alists pulling the strings in Washinton


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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #26 on: September 28, 2022, 07:17:07 AM »
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  • Hal Turner Radio Show - URGENT - Russian Gas Pipelines to Germany, BLOWN UP

    Initial investigation into the situation has revealed that by chance, over the last few days the USS KEARSARGE (LHD-3) incl. Fleet was traveling  in the very area where the Nord stream pipeline sabotage is now.

    According to some press reports from a few days ago, the ship was also east and south of Bornholm (where the pipeline runs) and switched off its AIS tracking system there.

    The fact that the Nordstream pipe ruptures are in Danish territorial waters is of course no coincidence. The Russians, in order to check and repair this, would again need a permit from the Danes, as was already the case with the construction.


    What was the USS KEARSAGE doing in that area when it shut off its AIS tracking?  Planting time-delayed explosives???????



    BOOM! Tucker Goes There - Suggests Joe Biden and US Behind Sabotage of Nord Stream Pipelines (Video) (thegatewaypundit.com)
    On Tuesday night Tucker Carlson opened his show suggesting the US and Joe Biden was behind the terrorist attacks on the Nord Stream Pipelines.

    But in Libera Media: German Lawmakers Point Finger at Russia Over Nord Stream Sabotage (businessinsider.com)

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #27 on: September 28, 2022, 08:55:06 AM »
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  • On Tuesday night Tucker Carlson opened his show suggesting the US and Joe Biden was behind the terrorist attacks on the Nord Stream Pipelines.

    Joe Biden is behind nothing ... except for the latest 10-year-old girl he's trying to sniff.  He controls nothing except perhaps what flavor of ice cream he'll get today.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #28 on: September 28, 2022, 10:56:51 AM »
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  • The whole thing stinks. It actually benefits Russia because of Putin's sagging popularity there where supposedly recruitment offices are being vandalized and young men are fleeing the country due to the "partial" mobilization. If someone wanted the US and Russia to fight, this is one of the best ways to accomplish that goal, whatever the means used to cause the damage. The propaganda value too valuable for Russia and any officer would have to understand how stupid it would be for the US to actually be behind it for it to come out of purely non-conspiratorial purposes.

    Bottom line, WWIII is desired. It is coming. These people are maniacs.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #29 on: September 28, 2022, 11:35:15 AM »
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  • Joe Biden is behind nothing ... except for the latest 10-year-old girl he's trying to sniff.  He controls nothing except perhaps what flavor of ice cream he'll get today.
    Biden did, in fact, threaten to do exactly this, to shut down the Nord Stream 2, as someone posted in another thread. A reporter asked him how he would shut down this pipeline since it belongs to Germany, and Biden basically said, "Trust me, we'll do it."

    Since someone clearly blew up the pipe, it doesn't seem unreasonable to assume it was Biden making good on his threat.