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Offline Drolo

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The escalation seems now inevitable
« on: September 11, 2022, 05:16:28 PM »
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  • Seems that Russia has launched missiles against the Ukrainian power grid, cutting off electricity in several regions.

    https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1569036722826088450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1569083761085612033%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=

    What does this mean?

    It seems that Russia has already given up on winning over the Ukrainian population and proceeds to attack civilian structures, it's confirmed that the special operation has failed and now a total war is comming.


    Time to include the solution to the war in one of the tens of my daily rosary. Because the possibility of NATO going to war with Russia is very real now.




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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #2 on: September 11, 2022, 05:49:32 PM »
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  • https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-russia-launches-massive-missile-barrage-hitting-power-plants-for-first-time

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    BREAKING NEWS: Russia Launches MASSIVE Missile Barrage - Hitting POWER PLANTS for first time
    WORLD HAL TURNER 11 SEPTEMBER 2022  HITS: 31740

    BREAKING NEWS: Russia Launches MASSIVE Missile Barrage - Hitting POWER PLANTS for first time
    2:04 PM EDT Sunday, September 11, 2022 -- Within the past three hours, Russia has launched (and continues to launch) a massive barrage of cruise missiles against Ukraine. For the first time, they are hitting Electric Generating Stations.  Blackouts are now reported in many areas of Ukraine.
    Sources inside the war zone caught video of Russian naval vessels, surface and submarine, launching "Kalibr" cruise missiles in almost every direction!
    Updates coming within minutes . . .  check back
     
    VIDEOS
    Below showing the launches coming from naval vessels, being fired in MANY DIFFERENT Directions!

     
    Next, a video showing some IMPACTS:


    UPDATE 2:27 PM EDT --
    Power stations hit, multiple western Ukrainian cities lost power.

    Poltava, Sumy, Kremenchug and Kharkov lost power as well
     
    UPDATE 2:29 PM EDT --
    Reports coming from Ukrainian sources that, IN ADDITION TO THE CITIES LISTED ABOVE, Dnepropetrovsk, AND THE ENTIRE OBLAST OF ZAPOROZHYE have also been hit with total electrical blackouts.
    This targeting of electric generating plants is a major change from how Russia has conducted itself for the prior 6+ months.
    (HT REMARK: This . . . this right here . . .  is going to turn the Ukrainian people against the Kiev regime.  I suspect it will do so, fast.)
     
    UPDATE 2:33 PM EDT --
    Images are beginning to come in showing burning power plants.  Below, the Zmiev power plant burning at the very bottom of the image, after being hit by Russian Navy:
     
    MORE:
    Kharkiv Combined Heat-and-Power Plant (CHPP) No. 5 (Kharkiv CHPP-5), one of the most powerful CHP-plants in Ukraine— located near the village of Podvirky; was also hit .
     
    MORE:
    Dergachev city administration reports missile attacks on critical infrastructure.

    Heating and power out

     
    UPDATE 2:38 PM EDT --
    The high voltage transmission lines have been knocked down in the Sumy region - the head of the OVA Dmytro Zhyvitsky has announced.  He says "Russia’s Navy is obliterating Ukrainian infrastructure."
    (HT REMARK: For 6 months critical infrastructure was not obliterated, broadcasting systems were not shut down. Even major transportation hubs were not destroyed. It looks like the gloves came off...)
     
    BULLETIN
    2:45 PM EDT --
    Public water supplies in Kharkov and in Dnepropetrovsk are now OFFLINE.  No running water.
     
    UPDATE 3:00 PM EDT --
    Ukrainian residents ordered to disconnect devices from the ELECTRICAL GRID as power equalization efforts begins amid Ukraine’s struggle with remaining reserves.
     
    Power Plants Bombed/Exploding/On-Fire:
    (Working to verify which is which as images coming in fast and furious)

    Another one:

    And a THIRD:

     
    And a fourth:

     
    UPDATE 3:07 PM EDT --
    Electric trains stop across ALL Ukraine as power goes out amid hits on critical infrastructure.
     
    Ukraine’s air raid alarm map warning system . .  HAS STOPPED WORKING
     
    SATELLITE VIEW OF UKRAINE BLACKOUT

    MAP OF DESTROYED POWER PLANTS
    Ones marked in color RED
    I have received an **initial** report saying the power plants showing in RED below are either offline or destroyed:

     
    CONFIRMATION: TRAINS ALL STOPPED
    Video below from a train tunnel in eastern Ukraine confirms Train Service is now OUT in Ukraine:



     
    UPDATE 6:01 PM EDT --
    In addition to Multiple major power outages there are major water stoppages being reported, by Ukraine, In Kharkov, Kyiv, Kremenchug, Pavlograd, Poltava, Dnepropetrovsk & Sumy regions
     
    POWER PLANT FIRE UPDATE - 6:05 PM EDT
    In the UPDATE 2:33 PM shown above, we reported that Combined Heat and Power plant (CHPP) Number 5 in Kharkiv had been hit by a cruise missile and was on fire.  We now have video from that very scene:







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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #3 on: September 11, 2022, 07:29:07 PM »
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  • Definitely not a good day for Russia (9/11):

    "Complete collapse": Putin canceled a meeting with the generals after the largest defeat of the army since the beginning of the war"

    https://www-moscowtimes-ru.translate.goog/2022/09/11/polnii-krah-putin-otmenil-soveschanie-s-generalami-posle-krupneishego-porazheniya-armii-s-nachala-voini-a24146?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    Doesn't copy/paste well on mobile, but here's the end:


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    The Russian army's retreat from Izyum and Kupyansk is a "complete collapse," says Phillips O'Brien, professor of strategic studies at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.

    “More troops were probably stationed there to fight for the Donbass than anywhere else, and now they don’t seem to be able to hold anything there,” O’Brien explains.

    Due to the fiasco of the army, the referendums on the annexation of the occupied territories of Ukraine have again been postponed indefinitely, Meduza reports, citing sources close to the presidential administration.

    Initially scheduled for May, then postponed to September, then postponed to November, the referendums were put on hold, one of the interlocutors of the publication said.

    According to another, the political technologists sent to the Kharkiv and Zaporozhye regions to prepare the vote received an “order to go home,” says a Meduza source. In the Kherson region, Russian political technologists who prepared the referendum are still staying.

    After a successful counterstrike, the Ukrainians will now have "logistical problems of their own: they will need to supply all the units now scattered throughout the territory" occupied by the offensive in the Kharkiv region, O'Brien says. “But the Russians will have trouble stabilizing the front line,” he continues. “So for a while, the situation will be chaotic until a new front line begins to emerge.”


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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #4 on: September 11, 2022, 07:40:52 PM »
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    Due to the fiasco of the army, the referendums on the annexation of the occupied territories of Ukraine have again been postponed indefinitely, Meduza reports


    Medusa? That's the name of a news agency? A monstrous female creature with hair made of snakes, and anyone who looks at her turns to stone ... yep, name seems to fit. :laugh1:


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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #5 on: September 11, 2022, 08:00:17 PM »
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  • Medusa? That's the name of a news agency?
    Not a Slavic expert, but looks like it just means jellyfish.

    A badly copied analysis from Edward Slavsquat here:

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    Internet war punditry: rapidly advancing towards total irrelevancy.

    The Ukrainian military has launched a counter-offensive in the Kharkov region.

    There are many hot takes about this.

    We are not going to provide you with a Military Analysis. Instead, we will offer a brief overview of how we arrived at the current state of affairs—and ask the simplest of questions: Can we please stop with the malarkey and have an honest dialogue about what has occurred over the past six months? Please? It’s time.

    The Kiev “feint”

    Remember when thousands of Russian troops semi-surrounded Kiev and Zelensky was supposed to flee for his life (maybe he did, temporarily, to Poland. History’s Mysteries)? Oh, we remember.

    “Going for the jugular” and “doing it the hard rock way” suddenly became a sneaky “feint”? Okay, sure.

    Go back to mid-March—all the usual suspects were still predicting an imminent assault on Kiev. There’s a simple explanation for this: Russia was still signaling it had ambitious plans for Kiev and neighboring regions.


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    In a statement, the Russian Defense Ministry listed the areas of Ukraine where, according to their data, the population represents "good relations" with Russia - these are:
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    March 18th 2022

    But by late March the narrative had changed in a very radical way.

    On March 25, Russia’s ministry of defense claimed that operations in Kiev, Kharkov, Chernigov, Sumy, and Nikolaev were designed to “tie down [Ukrainian] forces” and prevent them from “strengthening their grouping in the Donbass.”

    March 13, 2022 (source: URA.ru)
    A few days later, the Kremlin described the Russian withdrawal from these areas as a gesture of goodwill aimed at encouraging peace talks.

    Seemingly overnight, Russia’s short-lived excursions into Kiev and the surrounding regions were rebranded as a “feint” that would allow for the swift liberation of Donetsk and Lugansk. (Current status: incomplete.)

    A new narrative was born: with Phase I (“the feint”) a resounding success, the Russian military could now focus its attention on the Donbass. We were told, day after day, that Ukrainian forces in the east were going to be boiled alive, Ramen noodle-style, in a giant cauldron. Once the Ukrainians were encircled, Kiev would be forced to either surrender or crawl to the negotiating table.


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    In the encirclement pictured on this map, there are some 60,000 Ukrainian combat troops—their finest men. They have no chance of being relieved, reinforced or resupplied. They have no chance to win. If they keep fighting, they will die—for nothing.


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    This is an utter tragedy.
    Terror Alarm @Terror_Alarm


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    🚨🇺🇦🗺Battle of #Donbas starts.
    Russian Red Zombie army is trying to pinch off a Ukrainian salient with two major strikes from the north and the south now. https://t.co/OYrFGgWXkT

    It was all over, according to the liveliest intellects of our time. Gonzalo Lira proclaimed that Antony Blinken and Lloyd Austin met with Zelensky in late April to inform Kiev that the United States would not be sending heavy weapons to Ukraine.

    “It was a kiss-off. It was the signal to the Zelensky regime that US/NATO will not supply heavy weapons or planes, and will not get into this war. It's over,” Lira tweeted on April 27.

    Scott Ritter had a slightly different take: Russia would destroy any NATO weaponry sent to Ukraine before it could reach the front lines.

    The evolution of the Donbass “cauldron”
    It wasn’t until mid-May that Ritter conceded “Russia has shown itself unable or unwilling to [intercept weapons shipments]—as a result—the Ukrainians are having a meaningful impact on the battlefield.”

    Mariupol was officially cleared of Azov fighters at the end of May (some of whom were later released as part of a prisoner exchange), but the long-anticipated encirclement of Ukrainian forces in Donbass never materialized. Reinforcements and NATO-supplied weapons continued to flow across the Dnieper.

    No biggie.

    In a tweet commemorating the first three months of fighting, Lira mused that the AFU wouldn’t be able to hold out for another 90 days. The Ukrainian military, according to Lira, was now a spent force entirely reliant on reservists.


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    Today is Day 90 of the conflict.

    ►Russian forces have captured +100,000 square kilometers, are destroying the AFU in the Donbas.

    ►The AFU has little-to-no airforce, tanks, APC's. They're down to reservists.

    Does anyone really think Ukraine can stand another 90 days of this?

    But after taking Mariupol, Russia’s advances slowed to a snail’s pace. Gains in East Ukraine came to a screeching halt after the AFU was expelled from Lugansk in early July.

    “The special operation is going according to plan”
    Suddenly, a new narrative was born: the longer the war went on, the better it was for Russia. Time was on Russia’s side—even as Ukraine was “rebuilding significant capability” (source: Scott Ritter).

    But this wasn’t always the prevailing wisdom. For educational purposes, let’s briefly review what Very Serious Pundits were saying in the first weeks of the conflict.

    On March 9, the Saker published an article under the headline: “The opinion of a professional about the special operation in Ukraine (MUST READ!)”. The analysis, written by a “military professional” named Alexander Dubrovsky, repeatedly stressed that speed was of critical importance to achieve Russia’s goals in Ukraine.

    “The special operation does not stop, there will be no more delays. Every day of delay categorically harms us, unplanned diplomatic, political, economic and military problems appear. Only speed and onslaught, until in the West they begin to assess the situation with a cool head,” Dubrovsky wrote.

    The article continued: “The final turning point will come after the cleansing of Kharkov, blocking or taking Odessa.”

    A new directive had been issued by the Russian MOD, Dubrovsky revealed: the gloves were coming off and “hypothetical harm to civilians” would no longer take precedent over military objectives:

    I want to reassure you, for the twelfth day our guys are operating in a different operational and tactical reality, losses will rapidly decrease. If earlier there was a strict order not to cause even hypothetical harm to civilians, civilian objects… today it has been modified. In one sentence: “not to the detriment of the personnel of the units.” As a military man, I am completely satisfied: now the humanitarian sensitivities are over – real work will go on.

    This was the “must-read” that received a glowing preface from Andrei, the Saker’s chief curator.

    Fast-forward five months. On August 10, the Saker penned a commentary explaining why he was no longer posting maps of the military situation in Ukraine.

    “Unlike the first month or two of the SMO, there are very few changes worth showing on a map,” Andrei wrote, adding that the barely moving battle lines showed Russia was taking special care to avoid civilian casualties.

    Okay, great—but what happened to the speedy “cleansing” (yikes) of Kharkov and Odessa? And how is it that “every day of delay” was bad news for Russia in March, but suddenly a non-issue in August?

    On August 24, Shoigu explained the lack of progress in East Ukraine.

    “[E]verything is done to avoid casualties among civilians. Of course, this slows down the pace of the offensive, but we are doing it consciously. The special operation is going according to plan,” Russia’s defense minister said.

    Less than three weeks later, Russian forces abandoned their positions in Kharkov region, endangering the lives of countless civilians who were promised that “Russia is here forever.”


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    🤡"Russia is here forever"

    On June 18, Alexander Sidyakin, a representative of Putin's "United Russia" party, announced the beginning of issuing Russian passports in #Kupyansk with the words "Russia is here forever".

    On September 10, the occupiers fled the city in just 2 days.
    September 10th 2022

    Ukraine’s counter-offensive: “Meaningless”
    Which brings us to the precarious present.

    Marko Marjanović has an excellent write-up of the incredible events that have transpired over the past week:

    In just 4 days the Russians lost a vast area—everything beyond the Oskil river gone. Just like that.

    Positions that took months for Russia to capture and expand were gone in an instant. (The whole of March to take the city itself, followed by battles to expand the bridgehead over Seversky Donets to its south.)

    Particularly around Izyum, the Russian military had fought bloody close-quarter battles to take and expand positions beyond the Oskil and Seversky Donetsk and was now giving it all back in a rout.

    Russia’s MOD explained that the retreating troops were being “regrouped” in order to “boost efforts in the Donetsk region” (does that sound familiar?).

    As our blog-friend Rolo Slavskiy wrote:

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    The SBU is going to be sent in now to do what they do best - slit throats and then demand confessions. Yes, in that order. These people are monsters. We have no idea how many people have simply been disappeared in Ukraine. I complain about the FSB, but the SBU just do whatever they want with no restraint at all. Torture, mutilations and mass-killings are standard SBU operating procedure. The Ukrainians, ironically enough, are fighting like Bolsheviks - with no concern for any norms or conventions or anything resembling humanity.

    This regrettable episode reminds us of an article published in April by Strana.ua—home to Ukraine’s “pro-Russia fifth column”—about why Russia-sympathetic Ukrainians were so demoralized. One of the reasons given:

    [Pro-Russia Ukrainians] do not openly support Putin even in the territories controlled by the Russians. Because the officially declared goal of Russia is to achieve a number of demands from Kiev, after which the Russian army will leave all the territories occupied since February 24 (except Donbass).

    Naturally, as soon as the Ukrainian authorities return there, all those who collaborated with the Russians will go to trial in the best case for themselves, and in the worst case they will simply be shot as traitors. In such conditions, there are very few who want to openly help the Russian army.

    After the events of the past week, could anyone blame them? And how does Russia intend to win over hearts and minds when it can’t even guarantee the safety and security of Ukrainians who welcomed Russian troops as liberators?

    ...

    There is much more to say. It will be said (later). For now, we’ll close with this sober assessment published in Russian-language media:

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    In six months, Ukraine has become much more militarized, much more angry and closer to NATO, and the degree of nationalism and Russophobic hysteria is much higher. At the same time, Donbass has turned into an arena of fierce hostilities and shelling, which has increased tenfold, with no clear prospect of their completion, becoming much less protected and safe than before February 24.

    How does this end, friends?
    Link: https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/insane-in-the-ukraine

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #6 on: September 12, 2022, 06:52:51 AM »
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  • Our buddy Kissinger again showed his prophetic abilities (not that his ilk, aka the Jєωs, planned it all) when he prognosticated that the conflict would escalate in mid-August.  Well, he was a few weeks early in his prediction, so perhaps his waning intellectual abilities manifested themselves here ... or, rather, the Jєωs had some reason to postpone their plans.

    In any case, the Ukrainian propaganda has been that there was a major "counter-offensive" where Ukraine took back large swaths of territory in the Kharkiv region.  Evidently that was just propaganda, as the Russians started withdrawing from there 8 days ago, and the Ukrainians just walked in to various abandoned outposts.

    So one thought was that this was the famous Russian tactic of pulling out to draw the troops in so that they can be surrounded.  But reportedly the intent here was precisely to set up this next phase.  Withdrawal was actually ahead of this planned bombing, and the bombing was carried out so that they could cripple Ukraine's ability to send US and NATO arms to the front.  In particular, they wanted to stop or slow down the trains that are carrying these armaments so as to destroy them.

    Evidently the Russian public are getting tired of this stretching out so long and there has been pressure on Putin to escalate, especially from the right wing.  Thus far he has tried to avoid taking out civilian infrastructure, but it seems like the pressure from the right has gotten too strong, so he had to up the game.  Every time a Russian soldier died because Putin has been so "soft" in conducting this operation, that increased pressure on Putin to escalate.

    But I marvel at what a political genius Kissinger is, that he could make these accurate predictions.  No wonder he had all these high-ranking positions in every US administration for the past 80 years or so.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #7 on: September 12, 2022, 07:29:06 AM »
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  • Our buddy Kissinger again showed his prophetic abilities (not that his ilk, aka the Jєωs, planned it all) when he prognosticated that the conflict would escalate in mid-August.  Well, he was a few weeks early in his prediction, so perhaps his waning intellectual abilities manifested themselves here ... or, rather, the Jєωs had some reason to postpone their plans.

    In any case, the Ukrainian propaganda has been that there was a major "counter-offensive" where Ukraine took back large swaths of territory in the Kharkiv region.  Evidently that was just propaganda, as the Russians started withdrawing from there 8 days ago, and the Ukrainians just walked in to various abandoned outposts.

    So one thought was that this was the famous Russian tactic of pulling out to draw the troops in so that they can be surrounded.  But reportedly the intent here was precisely to set up this next phase.  Withdrawal was actually ahead of this planned bombing, and the bombing was carried out so that they could cripple Ukraine's ability to send US and NATO arms to the front.  In particular, they wanted to stop or slow down the trains that are carrying these armaments so as to destroy them.

    Evidently the Russian public are getting tired of this stretching out so long and there has been pressure on Putin to escalate, especially from the right wing.  Thus far he has tried to avoid taking out civilian infrastructure, but it seems like the pressure from the right has gotten too strong, so he had to up the game.  Every time a Russian soldier died because Putin has been so "soft" in conducting this operation, that increased pressure on Putin to escalate.

    But I marvel at what a political genius Kissinger is, that he could make these accurate predictions.  No wonder he had all these high-ranking positions in every US administration for the past 80 years or so.
    Do you think NATO will join into the War and we going to a WWIII scenario? Is what worries me. 


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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #8 on: September 12, 2022, 07:34:48 AM »
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  • Our buddy Kissinger again showed his prophetic abilities (not that his ilk, aka the Jєωs, planned it all) when he prognosticated that the conflict would escalate in mid-August.
    I'm not sure if this was scrubbed from the Internet. Do you have a link? Was it a video interview?

    From what I've seen this seems to be the gist of his message: an escalation similar to that which led to WWI. But they didn't have nuclear weapons at the time, so this could play out differently. If Russia uses tactical nuclear strikes then the Ukrainians lose and the world changes.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #9 on: September 12, 2022, 07:35:28 AM »
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  • The timing of the strategy is subject to the occultic power of the Jєω "high holy days" which take place in mid to late  September and October- Yom Kippur the day of atonement within the 10 days of repentance (and the Kol Nidre prayer which excuses them of future sins against the goy ) Rosh Hashana, the Jєω new year which supposedly points to the coming of "messiah" and lesser holidays such as Succoth and others.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #10 on: September 12, 2022, 07:48:23 AM »
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  • Do you think it will escalate to a WWIII?
    Ukraine has proven that Russia's ground forces aren't up to task, unless they have somehow only feigned weakness. Russia probably has the best missile technologies ready-to-go and more warheads than anyone, but that would leave them open to massive retaliation by the United States. If they want to defeat the US and NATO, Russia's allies are going to have to get involved. China is apparently still waiting for something before its attack on Taiwan. Turkey may have something to do with it in Europe. Then there are countries such as North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Venezuela, etc.


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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #11 on: September 13, 2022, 07:22:24 AM »
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  • Ukraine has proven that Russia's ground forces aren't up to task, unless they have somehow only feigned weakness. Russia probably has the best missile technologies ready-to-go and more warheads than anyone, but that would leave them open to massive retaliation by the United States. If they want to defeat the US and NATO, Russia's allies are going to have to get involved. China is apparently still waiting for something before its attack on Taiwan. Turkey may have something to do with it in Europe. Then there are countries such as North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, Venezuela, etc.
    The president of Venezuela has already said that he is willing to sell gas and oil to the EU and the US. So I don't think Venezuela wants to join into war. Venezuela wants to do business.

    Source in English:

    https://english.elpais.com/international/2022-06-07/us-authorizes-repsol-to-ship-oil-from-venezuela-to-europe.html

    Maduro saying the same that I say but only in spanish:

    https://youtu.be/n77QCst5-II?t=2

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #12 on: September 13, 2022, 07:36:16 AM »
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  • So I don't think Venezuela wants to join into war. Venezuela wants to do business.
    Let's not forget how the current Venezuelan government came into existence. I'm sure you know about the close relationship that has been forged between Russia and Venezuela.

    Venezuela’s leader pledges military cooperation with Russia

    https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-venezuela-vladimir-putin-south-america-fc9e01895f52f8d9f52e501a93b2f089

    Russia holds war games in Venezuela, sending alarming signals throughout Latin America

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1636808/iran-china-russia-joint-military-drill-venezuela-south-America-defence-news
    https://adnamerica.com/en/venezuela/venezuela-hosts-russian-war-games-joint-trainings-including-iran-china-bolivia-pakistan
    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-china-venezuela-clash-road-paving-war-olympics-1737334

    The participation in the International War Games is interesting in how it aligns with political alliances:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Army_Games



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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #13 on: September 13, 2022, 07:50:24 AM »
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  • Yes, it's not because of ideology, it's only because of money that Maduro wants to collaborate with the West. It started a few months ago and there are already some European companies operating in Venezuela, I have given you the example of Repsol in this news.

    By the way. Venezuela is a good example of the problem we have had in the world since the Cold War. A government arrives that does things well, Marcos Perez Jimenez, but he antagonizes the US because he refuses to establish US military bases in Venezuela, so Eisenhower conspires with part of the Venezuelan army to overthrow him. Then there is a series of governments, each one worse than the previous one, until it ends with Chavez and Maduro.

    Seriously. The problem they have created between the Kremlin and Washington are countless. I don't mean to offend, but it's reality.

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    Re: The escalation seems now inevitable
    « Reply #14 on: September 13, 2022, 08:15:13 AM »
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  • Seriously. The problem they have created between the Kremlin and Washington are countless. I don't mean to offend, but it's reality.
    Not offended. To my knowledge, there are no Catholic powers extant in the world. Governments in the West are largely run by Freemasonic principles. I believe the dynamic you have written is correct: Kremlin vs Washington. East vs West has a purpose which will be realized.

    Yes, it's not because of ideology, it's only because of money that Maduro wants to collaborate with the West. It started a few months ago and there are already some European companies operating in Venezuela, I have given you the example of Repsol in this news.
    Lenin's New Economic Policy also embraced this approach, as did Mao's Yenan Way. Hang the capitalists with the rope sold to communists. Opportunistic capitalism and fake nationalism are two plays in the official playbook of Marxism-Leninism. So I would disagree that it has nothing to do with ideology.

    A government arrives that does things well, Marcos Perez Jimenez, but he antagonizes the US because he refuses to establish US military bases in Venezuela, so Eisenhower conspires with part of the Venezuelan army to overthrow him.
    It's curious that Ukraine was doing so badly and managed to appear to push ("retreat") Russia out of many territories Ukraine, but you yourself posted the new offensive strategy that immediately followed. How organic are these movements and revolutions? Was Venezuela scripted to fall? The refugees from there and elsewhere in Latin America have been used to great effect. Destabilization, economic disruption and control, a base of terror operations, there are many possible goals that have been achieved.