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Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: John Grace on November 21, 2011, 12:48:37 PM
I found this online earlier

http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/mother-agnes-merriam-al-saleeb-nameless-gunmen-possessing-advanced-firearms-terrorize-citizens-and-security-in-syria/
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BEIRUT (SANA) – 19/11/2011 -  Mother Agnes Merriam al-Saleeb, head of the Catholic Media Center team which visited Syria and witnessed the reality of the situation on the ground, said on Friday that there’s an environment that is nurturing and is in charge of nameless gunmen possessing advanced firearms and ammo, instructing them to vandalize and terrorize citizens and security forces in Syria.
In a press conference attended by Italian, Belgian, French, Spanish and US journalists who visited Syria, Mother Agnes pointed out that the Catholic Media Center was the first media delegation that visited openly the hotspots and hospitals and witnessed what was being inflicted upon the security forces and the army.

She pointed out that the Center has a list of the names of the actual victims who were murdered, butchered and dismembered for no discernible reason, adding that the images of those victims were used later in media setup claiming that security forces killed them.

Mother Agnes said that the Center has more than 800 names of murder victims, 372 of them murdered in October alone, all of them security forces, pointing out to the “prophetic” observatory called the Syrian Human Rights Observatory that posts daily numbers of deceased people without giving a single name, adding that the Center called the Observatory and requested the names of the deceased, which it failed to deliver to this moment.
She pointed out that some mass media sources are causing people to make horrible mistake, which is unacceptable, noting that the press statutes have become mere ink on paper, with press reporting things that don’t exist in reality and trying to depict Syria as having two components, with the first side being the villains who are the army, security forces and the so-called “shabiha”, and the other side being the protestors who are depicted as being peaceful as lambs and demanding freedom, democracy and human rights.

In turn, journalists from Italian, Belgian, French, Spanish and US news agencies and independent journalists from Lebanon, Algeria and France stressed that objectivity requires acknowledging the fact that there are armed groups attacking the Syrian security forces in order to weaken the regime.
Webster Griffin Tarpley from the Grove Institute in Washington demanded that the BBC, CNN al-Jazeera cease broadcasting lies, saying that he and other journalists visited Homs, Banyas, Tartous and other cities and didn’t see the army killing the people; rather there were armed, hooded groups and sniper killing the army.

For his part, Marc George from the French newspaper Le Libre said that the journalists visited Homs and Banyas and talked to injured soldiers and saw the bodies of the martyrs, affirming that what they witnessed had nothing to do to what was proclaimed by the media, and that the demonstrations were pro-government and not against it.
George stressed that the only martyrs they saw were soldiers, not civilians, and that the al-Jazeera, al-Arabiya and BBC speak as it they’re reciting a lesson that has no relation to the truth.
H. Sabbagh – Sana.News
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Diego on November 21, 2011, 02:07:22 PM
What practicing Catholic does not recognize the modus operandi of the children of the Father of Lies?

The 25 Rules of Disinformation (http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/)

They are on other campaigns of lies as well:

A Message To The SPLC From A Montana “Extremist” (http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/message-to-splc-from-montana-extremist.html#more)
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Matthew on November 23, 2011, 08:17:38 PM
Yesterday we reported that the Arab League (with European and US support) are preparing to institute a no fly zone over Syria. Today, we get an escalation which confirms we may be on the edge. Just out from CBS: "The U.S. Embassy in Damascus urged its citizens in Syria to depart "immediately," and Turkey's foreign ministry urged Turkish pilgrims to opt for flights to return home from Saudi Arabia to avoid traveling through Syria." But probably the most damning evidence that the "western world" is about to do the unthinkable and invade Syria, and in the process force Iran to retaliate, is the weekly naval update from Stratfor, which always has some very interesting if always controversial view on geopolitics, where we find that for the first time in many months, CVN 77 George H.W. Bush has left its traditional theater of operations just off the Straits of Hormuz, a critical choke point, where it traditionally accompanies the Stennis, and has parked... right next to Syria.

From Stratfor:



And from CBS:

"The U.S. Embassy continues to urge U.S. citizens in Syria to depart immediately while commercial transportation is available," said a statement issued to the American community in Syria Wednesday and posted on the Embassy's website. "The number of airlines serving Syria has decreased significantly since the summer, while many of those airlines remaining have reduced their number of flights."
 
The warning followed an announcement in Washington this week that Ambassador Robert Ford would not return to Syria this month as planned, indicating concerns over his safety.
 
The Obama administration quietly pulled Ford out of Syria last month, citing credible personal threats against him.
 
The Turkish foreign ministry on Wednesday urged Turkish pilgrims to opt for flights to return home from Saudi Arabia and avoid traveling through Syria for security reasons.
 
The warning came two days after Syrian soldiers opened fire on at least two buses carrying Turkish citizens, witnesses and officials said, apparent retaliation for Turkey's criticism of Assad. The Turks were returning from Saudi Arabia after performing the annual Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.
Uh...Got Brent?
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: John Grace on January 22, 2012, 03:24:34 PM
http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2012/01/18/christians-in-syria-are-with-bashar-al-assad-i-cristiani-di-syria-sono-con-bashar-al-assad-video/
Christians in Syria are with Bashar al-Assad – I Cristiani di Syria sono con Bashar al-Assad (Video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xLvTsCD8y7U#!
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: LaramieHirsch on January 28, 2012, 10:31:01 AM
The whole "democratic rebellion in Syria" is a sham, and a contrived excuse for us to try to blow up another country.

I'm tired of seeing this country try to fight the world.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Maizar on March 20, 2012, 06:43:54 AM
Where there is smoke there is fire: Russia denies that it has landed special forces troops in Syria (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/abc-reports-russian-troops-have-arrived-syria-russia-denies)

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Earlier today, Al Arabiya made waves in the energy market following reports that a Russian ship carrying special forces had arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus, previously demonstrated here to be a key strategic asset in the Mediterranean. This news was promptly denied by RIA, which said that "there were no Russian military ships off Syria coast" and that the Iman ship is a tanker which is merely conducting resource support functions. Furthermore, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense, the crew of Iman consists solely of "civilian personnel, which is being guarded." That may or may not be the case, but has not stopped ABC from blasting, minutes ago, a headline that "Russian anti-terror troops arrive in Syria" a development that a "United Nations Security Council source told ABC News was "a bomb" certain to have serious repercussions." Which begs the question: is everyone now dead set on having war in Syria, and by proxy, Iran?


In short, yes.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: fishface42 on April 22, 2012, 12:54:11 PM
The Christians of Syria (10% of the population) are between a rock and a hard place.  The Baathist regime is secular, with liberty of religious expression.  The rebels are mainly Sunni muslim.  Should they succeed Muslim hegemony is assured, as in Iraq and Egypt where Christians are persecuted, their churches burned or bombed, and the Christians driven out.  So they fear an anti-Christian pogrom should the rebels succeed.  Western nations are fostering this progression.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: JohnChrysostom on April 22, 2012, 12:58:42 PM
Quote from: fishface42
The Christians of Syria (10% of the population) are between a rock and a hard place.  The Baathist regime is secular, with liberty of religious expression.  The rebels are mainly Sunni muslim.  Should they succeed Muslim hegemony is assured, as in Iraq and Egypt where Christians are persecuted, their churches burned or bombed, and the Christians driven out.  So they fear an anti-Christian pogrom should the rebels succeed.  Western nations are fostering this progression.


Jєωry is giving the directives to the 'Western' Nations..

Christians and Muslims lived in peace together there for centuries.

All of this 'new' violence in Syria, is Jєω Mossad and CIA slithering all over Syria creating unrest via killing squads, just as they did in Iraq.


Divide and Conquer.
'By Way of Deception, Thou Shall Do War'  -Mossad Motto

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: fishface42 on April 22, 2012, 06:49:03 PM
Quote from: JohnChrysostom
Quote from: fishface42
The Christians of Syria (10% of the population) are between a rock and a hard place.  The Baathist regime is secular, with liberty of religious expression.  The rebels are mainly Sunni muslim.  Should they succeed Muslim hegemony is assured, as in Iraq and Egypt where Christians are persecuted, their churches burned or bombed, and the Christians driven out.  So they fear an anti-Christian pogrom should the rebels succeed.  Western nations are fostering this progression.


Jєωry is giving the directives to the 'Western' Nations..

Christians and Muslims lived in peace together there for centuries.

All of this 'new' violence in Syria, is Jєω Mossad and CIA slithering all over Syria creating unrest via killing squads, just as they did in Iraq.


Divide and Conquer.
'By Way of Deception, Thou Shall Do War'  -Mossad Motto



If you are trying to channel St. John Chrysostom, you are doing a dismal job of it.  From the Wikipedia article:

[edit]Homilies on Jєωs and Judaizing Christians
Main article: Adversus Judaeos
During his first two years as a (priest) in Antioch (386-387), John denounced Jєωs and Judaizing Christians in a series of eight homilies delivered to Christians in his congregation who were taking part in Jєωιѕн festivals and other Jєωιѕн observances.[40] It is disputed whether the main target were specifically Judaizers or Jєωs in general. His homilies were expressed in the conventional manner, utilizing the uncompromising rhetorical form known as the psogos (Greek: blame).
One of the purposes of these homilies was to prevent Christians from participating in Jєωιѕн customs, and thus prevent the perceived erosion of Chrysostom's flock. In his homilies, John criticized those "Judaizing Christians", who were participating in Jєωιѕн festivals and taking part in other Jєωιѕн observances, such as the shabbat, submitted to circuмcision and made pilgrimage to Jєωιѕн holy places.[41] John claimed that on the shabbats and Jєωιѕн festivals ѕуηαgσgυєs were full of Christians, especially women, who loved the solemnity of the Jєωιѕн liturgy, enjoyed listening to the shofar on Rosh Hashanah, and applauded famous preachers in accordance with the contemporary custom.[42] A more recent theory is that he instead tried to persuade Jєωιѕн Christians, who for centuries had kept connections with Jєωs and Judaism, to choose between Judaism and Christianity.[43]
In Greek the homilies are called Kata Ioudaiōn (Κατὰ Ιουδαίων), which is translated as Adversus Judaeos in Latin and Against the Jєωs in English.[44] The original Benedictine editor of the homilies, Bernard de Montfaucon, gives the following footnote to the title: "A discourse against the Jєωs; but it was delivered against those who were Judaizing and keeping the fasts with them [the Jєωs]."[45]
According to Patristics' scholars, opposition to any particular view during the late fourth century was conventionally expressed in a manner, utilizing the rhetorical form known as the psogos, whose literary conventions were to vilify opponents in an uncompromising manner; thus, it has been argued that to call Chrysostom an "αnтι-ѕємιтє" is to employ anachronistic terminology in a way incongruous with historical context and record.[46] That does not, however, prevent one from claiming that Chrysostom's theology was a form of Anti-Jєωιѕн supersessionism, or that his rhetoric was not Anti-Judaism.[47]

Did you get all that?
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: JohnChrysostom on April 22, 2012, 07:08:44 PM
'How dare Christians have the slightest intercourse with Jєωs, those most miserable of all men.

They are lustful, rapacious, greedy, perfidious bandits -- pests of the universe! Indeed, an entire day would not suffice to tell of all their rapine, their avarice, their deception of the poor, their thievery, and their huckstering.

Are they not inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil? Jєωs are impure and impious, and their ѕуηαgσgυє is a house of Prostitution, a lair of beasts, a place of shame and ridicule, the domicile of the devil, As is also the Soul of the Jєω.

As a matter of fact, Jєωs worship the devil: their rites are criminal and unchaste; their religion a disease; their ѕуηαgσgυє an assembly of crooks, a den of thieves, a cavern of devils, an abyss of perdition! Why are Jєωs degenerate? Because of their hateful Assassination of Christ.

This supreme crime lies at the root of their degradation and woes.
The rejection and dispersion of the Jєωs was the work of God, not of emperors. It was done by the wrath of God and because of His absolute abandonment of the Jєωs.

Thus, the Jєω will live under the yoke of slavery without end.
God Hates the Jєωs, and on Judgment Day He will say to those who sympathize with them., "Depart from Me, for you have had intercourse with My murderers!"
Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and, far from venerating the ѕуηαgσgυє, hold it in hatred and aversion.'

~ St. John Chrysostom








Nice try Fish Face.
I think Im a little more studied than you on this and many topics
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: JohnChrysostom on April 22, 2012, 07:23:36 PM
Another from my favorite Saint...



Well should the Jєω mourn who, not believing in Christ, has assigned his soul to perdition...
The Jєωs have Crucified the Son and rejected the Holy Ghost, and their Souls are the abode of the Devil.
~ St. John Chrysostom



Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: John Grace on July 29, 2012, 07:49:17 AM
Syria defeats NATO’s swarming terrorists
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/07/27/252979/syria-defeats-natos-terrorists/
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Last week, the NATO powers launched their long-awaited summer offensive against Syria. This was a multi-pronged effort designed not just to overthrow the government of President Assad, but also to totally disintegrate the existing structures of the Syrian state, dissolving the entire country into chaos, confusion, secession, attempted coups d’état, and a likely massacre of Assad backers, Alawites, Christians, Kurds, and other minority groups.


This assault peaked between July 18 and July 21. Almost a week later, all indications suggest that Assad, the Baath party, and the Syrian state have proven to be much stronger than the NATO planners had imagined, and that the imperialist attack has been defeated for the time being.

The easiest way for NATO to destroy independent Syria would be to obtain a UN Security Council resolution authorizing a no-fly zone, a bombing campaign, and incursions by special forces, many of them sent by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the other reactionary Gulf monarchies. But this path has been blocked by the courageous resistance of Russia and China. Another method would be to form a coalition of the willing outside of the United Nations and proceed to the attack, as was done in the cases of Serbia and Iraq. But, with Russian President Vladimir Putin reasserting Russia’s support for Syria, this method poses the risk of Russian and Chinese retaliation in ways which the Anglo-Americans might find extremely painful. Therefore, NATO created a multi-layered strategy to subvert and destroy the Syrian state using covert action below the threshold of bombing and invasion, although including out special forces and espionage.

The signal to activate the assembled capabilities was given by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on July 8, when she warned Damascus that little time remained to avoid a “catastrophic assault” capable of destroying the Syrian state. This is exactly what was attempted last week.

First, NATO attempted to isolate Syria by interrupting communications with its traditional ally, Iran. According to the Wall Street Journal of July 23, the United States in particular has exerted pressure on the government of Iraq to deny overflight permission for flights between Syria and Iran through Iraqi airspace. An official US diplomatic demarche delivered in Baghdad demanded that such flights be banned. At the same time, pressure was exerted on the government of Egypt to violate the international status of the Suez Canal by preventing the transit of Iranian ships allegedly headed for Syrian ports. But these efforts have yielded only mixed results, according to this account.

The main diplomatic thrust of the destabilization effort was yet another UN Security Council resolution opening the door to Chapter Seven economic sanctions and military attack on Syria. This transparent bid for a general war in the Middle East was duly vetoed by Russia and China, while Pakistan and South Africa abstained despite US pressure. United States Ambassador to the UN Susan E. Rice became hysterical, raving that the Russian Federation was “pitiful,” “dangerous,” and “deplorable” after she lost the vote. Hillary Clinton had previously branded Russia as “despicable” and “intolerable.” One imagines these charming ladies chewing the carpet as Hitler reportedly did during the run-up to the Munich conference of September 1938.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov correctly described the US diplomatic posture as “justifying terrorism.” According to Lavrov, the US stance amounted to, “We will continue to support terrorist attacks until the Security Council does what we want.” It would now be in order for Russia and China to propose a Security Council resolution condemning the United States and its allies for giving material support to terrorism.

The most dramatic single episode of the assault was an apparent explosion on Wednesday, July 18 in one of the main Syrian government buildings which killed Defense Minister Rajha (the top Christian in the government), crisis management director Turkmani, and Assef Shawkat, a military intelligence expert and brother-in-law of President Assad. Interior Minister Shaar was reported wounded, and national security director Ikhtiyar succuмbed later to injuries. Western media were quick to gloat, attributing the explosion to a ѕυιcιdє bomber recruited from inside one of the key ministries, but this may reflect an attempt to launch a variation of Operation Splinter Factor among top officials. Other hypotheses include a rocket fired from a US drone. Thierry Meyssan has reported that the explosion was detonated from inside the US Embassy, which is nearby.

The goal of this attack was clearly the decapitation of the Syrian military and security forces, and of the Syrian state overall. But thanks to the fact that President Assad was not involved, Syria was able to maintain continuity of government and a functioning command structure, which quickly recovered from this staggering blow. Within hours, replacements for the slain officials had been nominated and announced to the public, and a reshuffling of top jobs continued for several days. If NATO had prepared a coup d’état to fill the void, there is no indication that it ever got off the ground.

So far, the NATO attack on Syria has depended mainly on Salvadoran-style death squads composed mainly of foreign fighters, including al-Qaeda and similar groups, some of which had originated as part of the US counterinsurgency effort in Iraq in 2005, during the tenure in Baghdad of US Ambassador John Negroponte. One of Negroponte’s disciples, Ambassador Robert Ford, was present in Damascus during the pre-2011 preparation of the current assault.

But, given the inability of the numerically weak death squads to capture and hold even a single town or village, to say nothing of a region of the country, it was decided to recruit and deploy an entirely new echelon of foreign fighters from all over North Africa and the Middle East. These were necessarily mercenaries, fanatics, convicts, and adventurers whose military training and weaponry would be inferior even to those of fighters deployed by NATO so far.

Their task was to implement a strategy of swarming. In military terms, swarming is the attempt to overwhelm an opponent by a rapid series of attacks from loosely coordinated autonomous groups. Quantity trumps quality. Many thousands of additional fighters were shipped in by NATO; Meyssan puts their numbers between 40,000 and 60,000, but this may be excessive. They crossed Syrian borders with Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, and Iraqi Kurdistan. The fighters themselves came from Libya, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, and other countries. As they entered Syria from foreign territory, the fighters seized temporary control of several border crossings, a fact much-hyped by the Western press.

The premise of this irregular assault had been the wishful notion that resistance by the Syrian army would collapse. But the Fourth Armored division, the Republican Guard, and other key units held fast. This left the foreign fighters as sitting ducks in vulnerable positions they could not hope to defend. As of this writing, the foreign fighters have been largely mopped up in Damascus, and another large concentration in Aleppo appears to be surrounded and destined for annihilation. NATO’s pool of cannon fodder has thus been sharply depleted.

To spread the idea that Syrian resistance had collapsed and that further resistance against NATO was futile, Ben Rhodes of the Obama White House, the US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Saudi Prince Bandar, and other officials had also prepared a campaign of psychological media warfare and video fakery. Syrian state television, al Adounia, and other pro-Syrian broadcasters were to be denied access to Nilesat and Arabsat, and their signals replaced by fake programming generated by the CIA, including with movie sets and Potemkin villages in the Gulf monarchies. But this plan had been revealed many weeks in advance, notably by Meyssan. Accordingly, loyal Syrian broadcasters prepared their audience with public service announcements about what was coming, and how to receive genuine programming.

Programming on Nilesat and Arabsat was in fact repeatedly interrupted, while the widely hated al Jazeera of Qatar and Saudi al Arabiya reported that Assad had fled. But few were fooled by the crude NATO substitutes, so shock and awe fell flat. A NATO plan to organize a panic run on the Syrian currency, contributing a further dimension of economic and logistical chaos, also fell short.

As it became clear that the anti-government forces trapped in Damascus were being decimated, King Abdullah of Jordan began harping on the danger that Syrian chemical weapons might be used or get out of control - an established meme of NATO propaganda. NATO was clearly still looking for a pretext to attack, but the eleven Russian warships assigned to Tartus and the eastern Mediterranean left that approach fraught with peril.

A danger is also emerging for the reactionary feudal monarchs who are NATO’s main allies in the Middle East. Partly as a result of NATO’s incessant pro-democracy rhetoric, the ferment of social protest is now widespread in Saudi Arabia, surely one of the countries most vulnerable to a mass upsurge. On July 22, an explosion occurred at the headquarters of the Saudi intelligence service in Riyadh, killing the deputy director. The target may also have been Prince Bandar bin Sultan, who had just been named intelligence boss, and who is deeply implicated in the Syrian events. Was this somebody’s payback? More importantly, might this attack become the trigger for a mass movement in Saudi Arabia powerful enough to threaten the feudal-reactionary dynasty and the power of the infamous Sudairi clan?
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: LaramieHirsch on July 29, 2012, 10:34:10 AM
Quote from: JohnChrysostom
Christians and Muslims lived in peace together there for centuries.

All of this 'new' violence in Syria, is Jєω Mossad and CIA slithering all over Syria creating unrest via killing squads, just as they did in Iraq.



Looks like our false-flag planting CIA setup squads have begun to achieve their war.  

I wonder if the ultimate secular end for these scuмbags is to eradicate Christianity in Arabia.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: brotherfrancis75 on July 29, 2012, 06:40:50 PM
Make no mistake about it.  The true targets of all these Judaic N.A.T.O. and Novus Ordo aggressions in the Middle East are, as ever, the Roman Catholics.  At the heart of all this murder and mayhem is not oil and not even the subtleties of Geopolitics.  At heart what this is all about is simply to kill Christ yet again in the form of His innocent sons and daughters, the Roman Catholics of Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Russia, China, Iran...  (The list is endless.)

You name it and the Eternal Jєω thirsts to shed the blood of the Roman Catholics who live there!  That is what this is truly all about.  The Sons of God are battling the Sons of the Devil, Harmageddon is unleashed and the fate of this world is absolutely literally the stakes now at play.

If ever there can be such a time, 2012 is THE time to pray for all our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters in Syria and the Middle East:

SAINT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, DEFEND US IN THE BATTLE...
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: theology101 on July 30, 2012, 08:26:22 AM
The  fake syrian army is supported by the Jєω world order and has already been caught  staging alleged atrocitiies  commmiitted by the Syriaan govt. Propaganda is so easy to recogniize by thosee of us who do not stare at a television all day and are actually up to date on worlld events, not just the three sedcond news bites  the msm feeds the people.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: theology101 on July 30, 2012, 08:39:35 AM
Great post, by the way, John!
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Starry Plough on July 31, 2012, 08:59:59 AM
I find the whole thing confusing. I don't believe the Syrian government , the
rebels or the MSM. They're all a pack of liars.
Another thing. When Christians are referred to does that mean Greek Orthodox?
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Telesphorus on July 31, 2012, 09:15:57 AM
Quote from: Starry Plough
I find the whole thing confusing. I don't believe the Syrian government , the
rebels or the MSM. They're all a pack of liars.
Another thing. When Christians are referred to does that mean Greek Orthodox?


There are various sects.  And there are many Eastern Rite Catholics.

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Croix de Fer on July 31, 2012, 05:12:12 PM
Sunni Rebels Occupying Churches, Homes of Syrian Christians (http://theorthodoxchurch.info/blog/news/2012/07/sunni-rebels-occupying-churches-homes-of-syrian-christians/)

Nothing safe, nothing sacred: Syrian rebels desecrate Christian churches? (http://www.rt.com/news/syrian-rebels-desecrate-christian-churches-897/)
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Croix de Fer on July 31, 2012, 05:14:22 PM
Putin Foils The Jєωs In Syria  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUO-3UeoNpg)
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 02, 2012, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
The whole "democratic rebellion in Syria" is a sham, and a contrived excuse for us to try to blow up another country.

I'm tired of seeing this country try to fight the world.


Democracy is an "end all, be all" to most people and any threat to it is treated higher then to the Bible, doctrine,etc.

and yeah, 1 1/2 yrs later, I'm baaaaacck!!! :ready-to-eat: :nunchaku: :cheers: :dwarf:
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vladimir on August 02, 2012, 08:50:34 PM
Quote from: Belloc


and yeah, 1 1/2 yrs later, I'm baaaaacck!!! :ready-to-eat: :nunchaku: :cheers: :dwarf:


Finally!  :dancing:
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: brotherfrancis75 on August 03, 2012, 12:01:31 AM
Quote from: Starry Plough
I find the whole thing confusing. I don't believe the Syrian government , the
rebels or the MSM. They're all a pack of liars.
Another thing. When Christians are referred to does that mean Greek Orthodox?


No, it does not mean merely the Greek Orthodox.  The REAL backbone of Christianity in both Lebanon and Syria is Roman Catholic, especially in its MILITARY aspects.  It doesn't matter here who is lying because what is at stake are the LIVES and well-being of our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and the entire Middle East.  Whether bureaucrats in the Syrian media are liars or not is irrelevant!  The heroic Syrian Army is fighting for OUR brothers and sisters in Christ and THAT is what matters now.

And fighting against Israhell, we must NEVER forget.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Starry Plough on August 03, 2012, 04:25:42 PM
Brotherfrancis have you seen Syriangirl on YouTube?
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 03, 2012, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: ascent
Putin Foils The Jєωs In Syria  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUO-3UeoNpg)
Well, we'll just have to see about that now will we.

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-pleads-russia-aid-sign-desperation-fighting-resumes-215204056.html

Syria pleads with Russia for aid in sign of desperation as fighting resumes in the capital

BEIRUT - Syria reached out to its powerful ally Russia on Friday, as senior officials pleaded with Moscow for financial loans and supplies of oil products — an indication that international sanctions are squeezing President Bashar Assad's regime.
The signs of desperation came as resilient rebels fought regime forces in the Syrian capital only two weeks after the government crushed a revolt there. The renewed battles in Damascus show that Assad's victories could be fleeting as armed opposition groups regroup and resurge.
"The fighting in Damascus today proves that this revolution cannot be extinguished," said activist Abu Qais al-Shami. "The rebels may be forced to retreat because of the regime's use of heavy weaponry but they will always come back."
Syria is thought to be burning quickly through the $17 billion in foreign reserves that the government was believed to have at the start of Assad's crackdown on a popular uprising that erupted in March 2011. The conflict has turned into a cινιℓ ωαr, and rights activists estimate more than 19,000 people.
Deputy Prime Minister Qadri Jamil, who has led a delegation of several Cabinet ministers to Moscow over the past few days, told reporters Friday that they requested a Russian loan to replenish Syria's hard currency reserves, which have been depleted by a U.S. and European Union embargo on Syrian exports.
He said Damascus also wants to get diesel oil and other oil products from Russia in exchange for crude supplies.
"We are experiencing shortages of diesel oil and gas for heating purposes," Syrian Oil Minister Said Maza Hanidi said in Moscow. "This unfair blockade has hurt all layers of the population."
The Syrian regime has blamed sanctions for shortages that have left Syrians across the country standing in long lines to pay inflated prices for cooking gas, fuel, sugar and other staples.
Syrian officials refused to mention specific figures but said that deals with Moscow could be finalized within weeks. There was no immediate comment from the Russian government.
While the Syrian delegation was holding talks in Moscow, a squadron of Russian warships was approaching Syria's port of Tartus, the only naval base Russia has outside the former Soviet Union.
Russian news agencies reported that two of the three amphibious assault ships will call at Tartus while the third will cast anchor just outside the port.
They said that each of the three ships is carrying about 120 marines backed by armoured vehicles. It wasn't immediately clear whether some of the marines will stay to protect Tartus. Some Russian media said the marines were supposed to ensure a safe evacuation of Russian personnel and navy equipment from the base if necessary.
Russia has protected Syria from U.N. sanctions and continued to supply it with weapons throughout the conflict. The Kremlin, backed by fellow veto-wielding U.N. Security Council member China, has blocked any plans that would call on Assad to step down.
On Friday, the U.N. General Assembly overwhelmingly denounced Syria's crackdown in a symbolic effort meant to push the deadlocked Security Council and the world at large into action on stopping the cινιℓ ωαr.
Before the vote, Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon accused the Syrian regime of possible war crimes and drew comparisons between the failure to act in Syria with the international community's failure to protect people from past genocide in Srebrenica and Rwanda.
"The conflict in Syria is a test of everything this organization stands for," Ban said. "I do not want today's United Nations to fail that test."
Syrian Ambassador Bashar Ja'afari called the resolution's main sponsors, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrain, "despotic oligarchies."
"The draft resolution will have no impact whatsoever. It is a piece of theatre," he told reporters after the vote. And Iran's No. 2 ambassador, Eshagh Alehabib, called the resolution "one-sided."
Assad's regime stands accused of a number of massacres in which hundreds of civilians, including women and children, were killed. The Syrian government blames gunmen driven by a foreign agenda for the killings, but the U.N. and other witnesses have confirmed that at least some were carried out by pro-regime vigilante groups, known as shabiha.
But the recent emergence of videos showing summary executions committed by rebel forces — albeit on a far smaller scale than the regime's alleged atrocities — is making it more difficult for the Syrian opposition to claim the moral high ground.
With the cινιℓ ωαr becoming increasingly vicious, chances for a diplomatic solution were fading after the resignation Thursday of Kofi Annan, the U.N.-Arab League envoy to Syria. Annan cited divisions within the Security Council preventing a united approach to stop the fighting.
The fighting continued Friday in the country's two most important cities, Aleppo and Damascus.
In Damascus, residents reported loud explosions and plumes of smoke over the southern edge of the city Friday, as frightened people stayed at home.
"The bombs are back, I have been hearing explosions all day," a resident of central Damascus told The Associated Press, asking to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals.
Government forces crushed a rebel assault on Damascus two weeks ago, but pockets of resistance remain including the southern neighbourhood of Tadamon, where most of Friday's fighting took place.
Late Friday, Syria's official news agency SANA said government forces had hunted down the remnants of the "terrorist mercenaries" — its term for the rebels — in Tadamon. It said several were killed and many others wounded.
Al-Shami and other activists said troops backed by dozens of tanks and armoured vehicles broke into Tadamon on Friday evening, forcing a fresh wave of residents spilling into nearby areas for shelter.
Many Damascus residents had earlier taken refuge in the country's largest Palestinian refugee camp, Yarmouk, where mortar shells raining down on a crowded marketplace killed 21 people late Thursday.
Nevertheless, there were signs that rebels may be planning another run on Damascus in an effort to drain the army's resources as fighting stretches into its second week in Aleppo, 350 kilometres (215 miles) to the north.
The U.N. peacekeeping chief, Herve Ladsous, warned of a major government assault on Aleppo in the coming days to retake the rebel-held neighbourhoods.
"The focus is now on Aleppo, where there has been a considerable buildup of military means," he told reporters in New York late Thursday after briefing the Security Council on his trip to Syria. "We have reason to believe that the main battle is about to start."
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Isachenkov reported from Moscow. Associated Press writers Ali Akbar Dareini in Tehran, Iran, and Dalia Nammari in Ramallah, West Bank, contributed to this report.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 03, 2012, 06:40:38 PM
From the AP article;



"The U.N. peacekeeping chief, Herve Ladsous, warned of a major government assault on Aleppo in the coming days to retake the rebel-held neighbourhoods."


U.N. "peacekeeping" chief...........What a freakin joke. :rolleyes:
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 03, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
Syrian Rebels Execute Assad Loyalists



http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/battles/syrian-rebels-execute-assad-loyalists/1768133557001/

Where's the media, U.N. and "human rights" public outrage?

Since under the Geneva Convention you are not allowed to kill prisoners why isn't Clinton calling for war crimes trials for these savage acts?
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 06, 2012, 07:56:21 AM
Why Is the U.S. Government Funding Islamic Terrorists Who Are Killing Christians?
         

Washington’s Blog
August 4, 2012

Most Americans are Christians.

But few know that the acts of our American government are leading to the persecution of Christians in numerous countries.

According to the Vatican’s official news service – Fides – and many other Christian news sources, the Syrian opposition is targeting Christians. Priests and bishops on the ground in Syria confirm these reports.

As a Syrian priest writes in the Guardian:

Despite what you might read in much of the western media, Syria is an enlightened,secular society with a deeply spiritual core and the common belief is that Syria is for everybody. A fundamentalist state would destroy the traditions of co-existence and religious harmony that have existed here since the fall of the Ottoman Empire nearly 100 years ago. Syrian independence was won with the blood of all Syrians – Muslim, Christian, Druze, Alawite and Kurdish.

As BBC notes:

Syria has for much of the century had a sizeable Christian minority, making up at least 10% of the population.

***

In recent years Syria has been considered one of the easier Middle Eastern countries for Christians to live in. Power is concentrated in the hands of the Alawite minority – a Shia sect considered heretical by many Muslims – which has clamped down hard on extreme forms of Islam.

Indeed, PBS reports that Syrian Christians are accepting arms from the government to protect themselves against Islamic terrorists.

Similarly, for all his faults, Saddam was a secular ruler who tolerated Christians … but Christians have been persecuted by the post-Saddam regime.

As the Syrian priest notes:

In Iraq, after the fall of Saddam Hussein, western allies admitted that they had no postwar plan and many have paid the price for this – especially the Iraqi minorities; since Saddam fell, hundreds of thousands of Christians as well as Muslims have fled Iraq in the face of sectarian violence and terrorism. Now, people are calling for a regime change in Syria without a clear plan for what should happen next. Should the minorities pay the same price in Syria?

BBC points out:

A rise in attacks on Christians after the US-led invasion in 2003 led to up to half the Christian population leaving, although there are no official statistics.

The Guardian reports:

In 2003 … the number of Chaldeans, the Christian Iraqis, was between 800,000 and 1.4 million. In 2009-2010, it was estimated are between 400,000 and 500,000, and rapidly decreasing. Cairo’s violent repression shows a similar process is under way in Egypt as well, where they still represent roughly 10% of the population.

Similarly, Christians were protected – or at least tolerated – by Libya’s secular leader Gaddaffi. A Roman Catholic priest told Christian News Service:

Under Gaddafi, we’ve been protected.

And Christianity is an officially-recognized and protected religion in Iran. BBC points out:

Iran’s traditional Christian populations are recognised in the constitution, guaranteed freedom to worship and allocated seats in the parliament ….

But the U.S. government is supporting – with money, arms, and logistical support– Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorist groups in a number of nations.

The U.S. is:

Supporting Al Qaeda and other terrorists in Syria
Funding terrorist groups in Iran
Supporting Al Qaeda terrorists in Libya (and here)
And the U.S. supports Saudi Arabia as one of our closest allies, even though:

Saudi Arabia restricts all religions other than Islam, including the possession of religious items such asthe Bible, crucifixes, and Stars of David
Christians are arrested and lashed in public for practicing their faith openly
Muslims are forbidden to convert to another religion. If one does so and does not recant, they may be executed
A 9/11 Commissioner and Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 say in sworn declarations that the Saudi government is linked to the 9/11 attacks
Note: This post focuses on Christians, but a similar analysis could be applied to Jєωs. For example, Iran – which has the largest Jєωιѕн population in the Muslim world – has a constitution which officially protects Jєωs.

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 06, 2012, 07:57:47 AM
Quote from: Starry Plough
Brotherfrancis have you seen Syriangirl on YouTube?


I have not, though meaning to, hear she is very articulate and clear.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 09, 2012, 10:48:31 AM
Assad forces beating back U.N./U.S. backed "rebels" in Aleppo.

If Assad maintains control of the country it is a slap in the face of Hilliary Clinton and globalist big time. You know the wicked witch of the West can't wait to do another happy jig like she did when Liya bit the dust and Quaddafi was systematically executed.

The real "terrorists" are in D.C., NYC, Paris, London and Tel Aviv.

And they're not "muslims".


Syrian troops push back rebels in Aleppo offensive

http://news.yahoo.com/assad-gets-iran-backing-forces-squeeze-aleppo-rebels-002856311.html

ALEPPO, Syria (Reuters) - Syrian troops and rebels fought over the country's biggest city Aleppo as President Bashar al-Assad's key foreign backer Iran gathered ministers from like-minded states for talks on Thursday about how to end the conflict.
Assad's troops assaulted rebel strongholds in Aleppo on Wednesday in one of their biggest ground attacks since rebels seized chunks of Syria's biggest city three weeks ago. Late in the day, each side gave conflicting accounts of how they stood.
Assad must win the battle for Aleppo if he is to reassert his authority nationwide, although diverting military forces for an offensive to regain control there has already allowed rebels to seize large swathes of countryside in the north.
Though sympathetic to the rebels, Western powers, Turkey and Sunni Muslim Arab states have not intervened militarily. Russia has given Assad diplomatic backing which has blocked U.N. action against him, while Iran has tried to bolster a key ally in an Arab world where many view non-Arab, Shi'ite Iran as a menace.
Tehran hosts a foreign ministers' conference on Thursday on Syria, but the attendees remain unknown, and Iran's latest diplomatic foray into the crisis has been met with deep skepticism by Western nations.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has billed the meeting of a dozen unnamed countries as an opportunity "to replace military clashes with political, indigenous approaches to settle the disputes". Those attending would have "a correct and realistic position" on the Syrian conflict, a senior Iranian diplomat said this week, indicating a one-sided discussion.
"The Islamic Republic's support for Assad's regime is hardly compatible with a genuine attempt at conciliation between the parties," said one Western diplomat based in Tehran. It showed Iran was "running out of ideas", he added.
Another Western diplomat said Tehran was trying to broaden the support base of the Syrian leader.
ALEPPO BATTLE
Aleppo, at the heart of Syria's failing economy, has taken a fearful pounding since the 17-month-old uprising against Assad finally took hold in a city that had stayed mostly aloof.
"We have retreated, get out of here," a lone rebel fighter yelled at Reuters journalists as they arrived in Aleppo's Salaheddine district. Nearby checkpoints that had been manned by rebel fighters for the last week had disappeared.
Syrian state television said government forces had pushed into Salaheddine, killing most of the rebels there, and had entered other parts of the city in a new offensive.
But a rebel spokesman in Salaheddine, the southern gateway to Aleppo, denied Assad's troops had taken full control. "Syrian forces are positioned on one side of Salaheddine but they haven't entered and clashes are continuing," Abu Mohammed said.
The intensity of the conflict in Aleppo and elsewhere suggests that Assad remains determined to cling to power, with support from Iran and Russia, despite setbacks such as this week's defection of his newly installed prime minister.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a British-based opposition watchdog, said more than 60 people had been killed across Syria so far on Wednesday, including 15 civilians in Aleppo. It put Tuesday's death toll at more than 240 nationwide.
STRUGGLE FOR SURVIVAL
Satellite images released by Amnesty International, obtained from July 23 to Aug 1, showed more than 600 craters, probably from artillery shelling, dotting Aleppo and its environs.
"Amnesty is concerned that the deployment of heavy weaponry in residential areas in and around Aleppo will lead to further human rights abuses and grave breaches of international law," the human rights group said, adding that both sides might be held criminally accountable for failing to protect civilians.
The military's assaults in Aleppo follow its successful drive to retake neighborhoods seized by rebels in Damascus after a July 18 bomb attack that killed four of Assad's closest aides, including his feared brother-in-law Assef Shawkat.
On Monday Assad suffered the embarrassment of seeing his prime minister, Riyad Hijab, defect after only two months in office. Hijab apparently fled to Jordan with his family.
Yet even such high-profile defections and outside diplomatic pressure seem unlikely to deflect Assad from what has become a bitter struggle for survival between mostly Sunni Muslim rebels and a ruling system dominated by the president's minority Alawite sect, an esoteric offshoot of Shi'ite Islam.
REFUGEES
Syrian rebels, who have accused Iran of sending fighters to help Assad's forces, seized 48 Iranians in Syria on August 4, saying they were members of Iran's Revolutionary Guards.
Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi acknowledged that some of the men were retired soldiers or Revolutionary Guards, but said they were religious pilgrims, not on active service.
Damascus and Tehran accuse Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Western nations of stoking violence by backing Syrian rebels.
The violence in Syria has forced tens of thousands of people to flee into neighboring countries, and about 2,400 refugees, including two generals, arrived in Turkey overnight.
Near the Syrian border town of al-Dana, a crowd of refugees from Aleppo crammed through a frontier fence as Turkish soldiers tried to keep order: "We could not endure anymore," Ahmad Shaaban, a grocer from the city's battered Salaheddine district told a Reuters correspondent at the border.
"We have been deprived of everything. They have burnt our homes and have deprived us of our livelihood."
(Additional reporting by Suleiman al-Khalidi near al-Dana, Tom Perry, Oliver Holmes, Dominic Evans and Mariam Karouny in Beirut, Khaled Yacoub Oweis in Amman, Mehmet Emin Caliskan in Kilis, and Yeganeh Torbati and Marcus George in Dubai; Writing by Alistair Lyon and Alastair Macdonald; Editing by Michael Roddy)
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 09, 2012, 10:54:50 AM
hoping that this is one of those defeats for NWO......sort like Bush's half assed attempt tp get rid of Chavez, mess that he is, to be sure.....
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: brotherfrancis75 on August 09, 2012, 04:25:49 PM
Quote from: Starry Plough
Brotherfrancis have you seen Syriangirl on YouTube?


Sorry to take so long to respond.  I try not to follow the on-line blogging too efficiently.

But I have watched her videos a little.  She seems sensible enough.  Frequently we Catholics need to be very careful about distinguishing between our own Catholic vocabulary and the vocabularies of non-Catholics.  Which means here that in the Middle East "secularism" isn't necessarily a bad thing because it may not mean the same as in our own Catholic vocabulary.  I think that "secular" Syria today is among the most virtuous and religious nations on earth.  Considering the dark times we're in, of course.

Whatever her religion, I can only wish Syrian Girl well.

May her Army prove victorious and protect her!

 :pray:

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 12, 2012, 08:31:14 AM
The Bloodlust of Walter Russell Mead
Syria and the regime-changers' credo of death

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/08/05/the-bloodlust-of-walter-russell-mead/

by Justin Raimondo, August 06, 2012
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Good news — the Syrian rebels are mellowing! McClatchy news agency reports from the front lines:

“Abu Abdullah said that the [rebel military] council had ordered the executions of some 150 men since the beginning of the conflict, but that the rate had declined as the rebels feel the neighborhood is ‘cleaned’ of pro-regime elements.

“’In the beginning, we would execute 10 or 15 men a week,’ he said. “Now it’s closer to one every 10 or 20 days.’”

That’s what I call progress. Before you know it, they’ll go to monthly executions. Maybe they’ll even stop putting prisoners in cars rigged with explosives and then detonating the vehicle remotely when it approaches a government checkpoint — another charming practice noted by McClatchy. But don’t get your hopes up….

So barbarous are these “rebels” that they record their atrocities for posterity by making videos and posting them on YouTube: they expect the world to applaud them rather than step back in horror. Over at the US State Department, they aren’t exactly applauding, but then again neither are they backing off their support for the “Free Syrian Army”: “We condemn actions like that,” said Jay Carney, former Obama shill at Time magazine and now the official White House spokesman, “but [he] quickly added that Syrian government forces have perpetrated “the overwhelming amount of violence in Syria.”

Just wait until the rebels get in power: they’ll soon match — and perhaps outstrip — the atrocities the Assad family has committed in its decades of dictatorship. Summary executions, the “cleansing” of neighborhoods, the car bombs, the imposition of Sharia law on the “liberated” areas — the Islamist reign of terror in Syria has just begun, and you are paying for it with your tax dollars. Remember that when tax time comes along.

Yes, the US government “condemns” these monsters, but they’re footing the bill for the ιnѕυrrєcтισn, championing the rebels in international diplomatic forums, and sending aid directly to these monsters. What does a condemnation out of Carney’s mouth mean in this context?

Next to nothing. After all, why should the US do anything more than lamely try to distance themselves from the rebels’ bloodthirsty jihad — when our own military does much worse as a routine matter? We launch cowardly drone attacks on distant targets, raining death on women, children, donkeys, and anyone or anything that gets in our way, killing thousands of civilians. We lock up prisoners — most of whom are innocent — without charges and keep them for years. Our decades-long campaign to carry out regime-change in Iraq resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians, not only in the course of the fighting but also in the run-up to the shooting: sanctions murdered many thousands of children and old folks. And we justify it all with a barrage of lying propaganda — and brazen arrogance — which is lapped up by the “mainstream” media.

The real military heft of the rebel army is provided by Al Qaeda and its affiliates, while the “Free Syrian Army” is basically a myth: the reality is that the FSA is just a name, while the rebels’ military assets are located in a myriad of local militias under the control of radical Islamists. When Syrian newscaster Mohammed al-Saeed was kidnapped from his home in Damascus by rebel forces, his execution was publicized in a video with the Al Qaeda flag flying in the background. “May this be a lesson to all who support the regime,” the kidnappers declared. If this isn’t terrorism, then there is no real meaning attached to the term. The murder was claimed by the “Al Nusra Front,” a local gang of jihadists who openly support Al Qaeda. Al Nusra has been behind most of the really spectacular successes pulled off by the rebels: the ѕυιcιdє bombing in Damascus that killed top Ba’ath party officials, including the minister of defense; a raid on the heavily fortified Syrian Air Force building in Damascus and numerous other attacks on targets throughout the country.

Of course, no Westerner who supports the rebels could actually defend these atrocities, which is why Carney and his bosses are issuing empty “condemnations. Oh, but wait: we haven’t taken into account Walter Russell Mead, the noted foreign policy analyst and neocon-par-excellence, who writes:

“We think the human rights crusaders calling for the arrest of the rebels after these executions are barking up the wrong tree. Revolutionary Syria has no courts and no law at the moment. To speak of ‘crimes’ in circuмstances like this is to make rhetorical noise, not to enunciate valid principles of law. Aleppo is in a state of nature, where there can be no crimes and the law of the jungle is pretty much all that applies.”

To warmongers of Mead’s ilk, who glories in his “hard-headed” invocation of the Law of the Jungle, the idea of moral law — a law above states, courts, and the apparatus of coercion — is just “rhetorical noise.” Glorious “revolutionary Syria,” where US tax dollars are going to fuel Washington’s regime-change operation in the Middle East, exists in “a state of nature” — a condition that underscores the real nature and goal of our policy in the region.

What the Americans are doing in Syria goes way beyond mere “war crimes.” In the past, acts deemed “war crimes” mostly consisted of random incidents, rather than pre-planned efforts to, say, exterminate an entire people. The nαzιs are recalled with universal loathing precisely because of the exceptional character of their horrific crimes. The Communists, although less loathed, engaged in similarly large-scale atrocities. What is happening in Syria is the planned extermination of a nation, rather than a people. While it’s true US support for the rebels is a dagger aimed at the heart of Syria’s Christian and Alawite minorities, the effective elimination of these groups isn’t the goal of our regime-changers: their purpose is to atomize the Syrian state and produce a region in chaos. To divide, smash up, and remake the Muslim world — that’s the long-range goal. In the short term, however, they’ll settle for a blow struck at their principal enemy in the region. The rebels are but a lure, which this administration is hoping will reel in a really big catch: the Iranians.

The kidnapping of dozens of Iranian religious pilgrims in Syria — also claimed by Al Nusra — and the rebels’ contention that the pilgrims are in reality “Iranian Revolutionary Guards” sent in to aid the regime, is a clear provocation. Adding fuel to the fire, the rebels proclaim their intention to target any and all Iranians on Syrian soil: just the sort of tactic one might expect of a terrorist group, which murders indiscriminately. Note that in this account, Al Nusra is wearing its “Free Syrian Army” hat, another clue to the interchangeability of these supposedly separate groups.

The FSA/Al Nusra terrorist ethos is the perfect instrument for carrying out the Western agenda of regional chaos. While Jay Carney can issue all the condemnations he wants, the atrocities committed by America’s Syrian sock-puppets are the key to the success of our strategy in the Middle East. And as thousands die, Mead can effectively tell us to look the other way. After all, Syria is in a “state of nature” — thanks to US government support for the rebels — and the laws of man and God are suspended. Those laws will “return” if and when our sock puppets take Damascus.

This is the credo of the War Party, in all its insane Bizarro World glory: in articulating it so bluntly, the role of people like Mead is to justify mass murder — but is he really up to the job? He concludes his apologia for the jihadists with a call to escalate the slaughter:

“More blood must now flow in Syria. Peace will come when the winners are tired of killing and the losers are ready to submit. There will likely be more horrendous footage uploaded to the internet. It’s as if the infamous women knitting in the shadow of the guillotine during the French Revolution had cell phones and streamed the bloody pictures to a waiting world. This revolution, at least in part, is going to be televised, and we aren’t going to like what we see.”

It’s the War Party’s credo of death in a nutshell:

“More blood must flow”!

It must flow like a great river, “cleansing” pro-Assad neighborhoods in Syria, driving everything before it and welling up to break the dam of the Shi’ite regime in Iran, flooding the streets of Tehran in a scarlet rain. What’s interesting here is that Mead openly invokes the Jacobin spirit that animates the regime-changers, including himself. This is a development most of us will find a bit surprising, and maybe even shocking — except for the conservative philosopher Claes Ryn, who early on detected the Jacobin spirit in the previous administration’s foreign policy:

“Today communism has collapsed, but another universalist ideology, the new Jacobinism, has taken its place. A difference between the French and the new Jacobinism is that the latter has chosen not France but America as mankind’s savior.”

As Uncle Sam drags one nation after another to the guillotine, while the neocon Madame Defarges of the Twitterverse celebrate videos of summary executions, the real nature of the neocons’ “historic mission” — as professor Ryn puts it — becomes all too readily apparent.


The danger posed by the US to the rest of the world is more than the equivalent of the threat once posed by the totalitarian ideologies of National Socialism and its Communist blood brother. Like the Communists, the warlords of Washington have their paid agents in every country, who are hard at work carrying out their orders to pulverize entire nations and leave them drenched in rivers of blood. We see them at work in Syria, and, soon we will see them in Iran.

Onward, ever onward pushes the American juggernaut, with our Lilliputian allies following in our wake as we chart a course set for nothing less than world domination. Relentlessly aggressive, ruthless in its methods, and merciless when it comes to systematically targeting and eliminating its enemies, American imperialism is the main danger to peace and liberty on earth. None of us is safe until it is put out of business — no, not even American citizens, who can be killed by order of our commander in chief, a death sentence against which there is no defense, no trial, and no possibility of appeal.

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 12, 2012, 08:33:31 AM
Moving Toward War in Syria

by Ron Paul


Last week the House passed yet another bill placing sanctions on Iran and Syria, bringing us closer to another war in the Middle East. We are told that ever harsher sanctions finally will force the targeted nations to bend to our will. Yet the ineffectiveness of previous sanctions teaches us nothing; in truth sanctions lead to war more than they prevent war.

Until last year, Libyan sanctions were touted as a great success story. The regime would change its behavior. Yet NATO bombed the country anyway.

Last week we learned that President Obama signed an intelligence "finding" directing the CIA to covertly assist rebels in Syria. The administration seems determined to fight yet another war in Syria that has nothing to do with American national interests.

We already know that a similar "finding" was signed under the latest Bush administration directing US intelligence to undermine the Iranian government and promote regime change there. Neoconservatives have long demanded that we overthrow the Syrian government before moving on to war against Iran. This bellicosity continues regardless of which party is in the White House.

In Syria we see once again how our interventionist policies backfire and make us less secure. Recent news reports point to ties between the Syrian opposition and al-Qaeda (and other extremist groups). A recent article in the Guardian, a British newspaper, exclaimed that, "Al-Qaida turns tide for rebels in battle for eastern Syria." The article quotes an al-Qaeda leader in Syria saying that he meets with the main US-backed Syrian rebel organization, the Free Syrian Army, "almost every day." So by promoting cινιℓ ωαr in Syria we end up fueling al-Qaeda.

According to another recent press report, German intelligence services estimate that nearly 100 terrorist attacks have been committed by al-Qaeda or related organizations in Syria over the past six months. Last month a ѕυιcιdє bomber in Syria killed a defense minister and several top government officials. The US government, which has been fighting a "War on Terror" for more than a decade now, refused to condemn that act of terrorism.

This raises the question of whether the US administration is supporting the same people in Syria that we have been fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed these same concerns earlier this year when asked whether the US has been reluctant to arm the Syrian rebels. She answered, "To whom are you delivering them? We know al-Qaida. Zawahiri is supporting the opposition in Syria. Are we supporting al-Qaida in Syria?"

That is a very good question. It clearly demonstrates that the United States has no business at all being involved in the Syrian cινιℓ ωαr. In the 1980s we supported a resistance movement in Afghanistan that later gave birth to elements of al-Qaeda and the Taliban. When will we learn our lesson and stop intervening in conflicts we don't truly understand, conflicts that have nothing to do with American national interests?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul818.html
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Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 12, 2012, 08:37:57 AM
Syria troops kill foreign-sponsored insurgents in Deir al-Zour

Syrian security forces have killed several insurgents during clashes in the eastern city of Deir al-Zour as fighting continues between government troops and terrorists in the country.


The Syrian forces engaged the insurgents in Deir al-Zour on Saturday.

Fighting has continued in the city over the past few days.

On May 19, nine people were killed and about 100 others injured in a car bombing carried out outside the security headquarters in Deir al-Zour.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/08/11/255706/syria-insurgents-killed-in-deir-alzour/
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 15, 2012, 08:39:02 AM
Largest nations on Earth converge to support embattled Syrian government.
by Tony Cartalucci

August 11, 2012 - Iran has recently hosted 30 nations including Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Ecuador, Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Oman, Turkmenistan, Venezuela, Cuba, Jordan, Tunisia, Palestine, and many others in Tehran this week in efforts to support the Syrian government against foreign destabilization. Upon the agenda were calls to end foreign arms currently flowing into terrorist hands inside Syria, proposals to broker a meaningful ceasefire, the coordination of humanitarian aid, and supporting the Syrian people's right to reform without foreign interference.

The unique conference featured representatives of over half of the world's population, and signals that indeed, Syria's government is not as "isolated" as portrayed by Western neo-imperialists.
The meeting comes as revelations emerge that the United States, United Kingdom, NATO-member Turkey, and members of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) are supplying weapons, cash, and other assistance to foreign militants with direct links to Al Qaeda. These include Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) militants who are in fact listed by both the US State Department and the UK Home Office (page 5, .pdf) as a foreign terrorist organization and a proscribed terrorist organization respectively.

As foreign militants continue to flow over Syria's borders bolstered with an increase in foreign aid, sectarian violence has spiraled out of control. The UN has categorically failed to condemn the West's state sponsorship of international terrorism now ravaging Syria. It appears that nations around the world, including shareholders in the Anglo-American establishment, may be having second thoughts about the increasingly untenable enterprise the West has chosen to pursue.

Earlier this month, during a Saudi-Qatari sponsored, US-UK-backed UN resolution, a large number of nations either voted no, abstained, or failed to attend the vote, indicating slipping support for what is sometimes called the "Washington consensus."

US, GCC, and NATO actions in Libya in support of sectarian militants to install a stable of Western-created proxies into power has stripped away much of the "primacy" of "international law" and left the willfully abused geopolitical tenant of "responsibility to protect" (R2P) irrevocably in tatters. With the West's attempted destabilization of Syria stalled, global public opinion has grown aware of the true nature of Syria's so-called "rebels," and that many are foreign fighters committing an array of abhorrent atrocities. The UN's failure to act, or even worse, its role in facilitating what equates to military aggression couched in "humanitarian" pretenses, jeopardizes international law all together.

The West has ungracefully faced this quandary of its own creation by simultaneously attempting to use the presence of Al Qaeda terrorists as a causus belli to militarily intervene while also rebranding Al Qaeda as champions of freedom in Syria. One breathtaking account was given by the Fortune 500-funded Council on Foreign Relations in their article, "Al-Qaeda's Specter in Syria," claiming:

"The Syrian rebels would be immeasurably weaker today without al-Qaeda in their ranks. By and large, Free Syrian Army (FSA) battalions are tired, divided, chaotic, and ineffective. Feeling abandoned by the West, rebel forces are increasingly demoralized as they square off with the Assad regime's superior weaponry and professional army. Al-Qaeda fighters, however, may help improve morale. The influx of jihadis brings discipline, religious fervor, battle experience from Iraq, funding from Sunni sympathizers in the Gulf, and most importantly, deadly results. In short, the FSA needs al-Qaeda now."

Clearly, no nation in good conscience, or at least interested in self-preservation, could condone the overt destabilization of Syria by foreign powers with disingenuous motives, using listed-terrorist organizations to do so. The potential of this same ploy then being turned against other nations including members of Iran's 30 nation conference, or even the US and UK's "Friends of Syria" confabs, becomes increasingly more likely if such tactics are not condemned and altogether balked.

While US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton talks of "no-fly zones" with NATO-member Turkey this week, the successful conference in Tehran illustrates that any such act of aggression will be carried out unilaterally, further undermining the West's own contrived "international order" with a growing number of nations standing in direct opposition, not in support of, Wall Street and London's next move.

Iran plans to hold another such conference later this month.


http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/...-isolated.html
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 15, 2012, 08:46:59 AM
The Irish Times - Monday, August 13, 2012

Media coverage of Syrian violence partial and untrue, says nun

PATSY McGARRY, Religious Affairs Correspondent

A NUN who has been superior at a Syrian monastery for the past 18 years has warned that media coverage of ongoing violence in that country has been “partial and untrue”. It is “a fake”, Mother Agnes Mariam said, which “hides atrocities committed in the name of liberty and democracy”.

Superior of the Melkite Greek Catholic monastery of St James the Mutilated in Qara, in Syria’s diocese of Homs, which is in full communion with Rome, she left Ireland yesterday after a three-day visit during which she met representatives of the Irish Catholic Bishops’ Conference in Maynooth.

She told The Irish Times she was in Ireland “not to advocate for the (Assad) regime but for the facts”. Most news reports from Syria were “forged, with only one side emphasised”, she said. This also applied to the UN, whose reports were “one-sided and not worthy of that organisation”.

UN observers in Syria had been “moderate with the rebels and covered for them in taking back positions after the withdrawal of heavy equipment, as seen so tragically in Homs”, she said.

When it was put to her this suggested the whole world was out of step except for Syria, Russia and China, she protested: “No, no, there are 20 countries, including some in Latin America” of the same view.

The reason the media was being denied easy access to Syria currently was because in the Libyan conflict journalists placed electronic devices for Nato in rooms used at press conferences in that country, she said. “So Syria didn’t want journalists,” she said.

Christians make up about 10 per cent of Syria’s population, dispersed throughout the country, she said. The Assad regime “does not favour Christians”, she said. “It is a secular regime based on equality for all, even though in the constitution it says the Koran is the source of legislation.”

But “Christians are less put aside [in Syria] than in other Islamic countries, for example Saudi Arabia,” she said. “The social fabric of Syria is very diverse, so Christians live in peace.”

The “Arab ιnѕυrrєcтισn” under way in that country included “sectarian factions which promote fundamentalist Islam, which is not genuine Islam”, she said.

The majority of Muslims in Syria are moderate and open to other cultural and interfaith elements, she said. “Wahhabism (a fundamentalist branch of Islam) is not open,” she added.

Christians in Syria were “doubtful about the future if the project to topple the regime succeeded”. The alternative was “a religious sectarian state where all minorities would feel threatened and discriminated against”, she said.

There was “a need to end the violence”, she said. “The West and Gulf states must not give finance to armed ιnѕυrrєcтισnists who are sectarian terrorists, most of whom are from al-Qaeda, according to a report presented to the German parliament,” she said.

“We don’t want to be invaded, as in Aleppo, by mercenaries, some of whom think they are fighting Israel. They bring terror, destruction, fear and nobody protects the civilians,” she said. There were “very few Syrians among the rebels”, she said. “Mercenaries should go home,” she said.

What she and others sought in Syria was “reform, no violence, no foreign intervention.” She hoped for “a new, third way, a new social pact where the right to autodetermination without outside interference” would be respected.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...322099930.html
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: alaric on August 15, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
Syria: Western-backed filth on the run...zenga zenga


Despite being assailed on all fronts by marauding gangs of terrorists, many foreigners, pouring into the country across borders secured by NATO forces, Damascus has been officially sterilised of terrorist filth and while the largest city, Aleppo, is surrounded, the scourge are shaving off their beards.

The western-backed filth in Syria - foreign mercenaries, terrorist groups, FUKUS Axis (France UK US) special forces and local misfits, criminals and agents provocateurs - is on the run. Damascus has been officially cleansed of this filth, as the last district infested by the darlings of Obama, Cameron, Clinton and Hague (the worst two leaders of diplomacy in the history of their countries) and now the new self-styled wannabe Napoleon with a Dutch name, Hollande, is sterilised.

Zenga, zenga.

Filth? Yes, filth. The crud from the bottom of the barrel, the human excrement scraped from the very dregs of society across Libya, the GCC (Gulf Cooperation Council) and the FUKUS Axis murderers, set loose in what has now become a crystal-clear policy of destabilising countries by proxy, sparking off colour revolutions by finding the disaffected on the fringe of society, arming and training them and then turning them into Mujaheddin.

It worked in Afghanistan, sort of, until the Mujaheddin morphed into the Talebaan and 9/11 was the thank-you note in a city famous for its support of "activists". Anyone heard of NORAID? In Iraq it did not, because despite funding the Sunni "insurgents" the country suffers civilian death rates through militant action the wrong side of cινιℓ ωαr statistics.

Libya? The country has been destroyed, it is now a failed State, the lot of the people changed from peace and prosperity, free housing, free education, free healthcare, all their needs catered for and replaced with what? Thank you William Hague, thank you Hillary Clinton. Great job...great job...

And once again in Syria what do we see? These days ladies and gentlemen, we see the west is clearly linked to terrorism. We all know how social networks are controlled and hacked, we all know how inconvenient videos and articles and pieces of information disappear. True, new networks will soon replace the existing ones, new networks which practise the precepts of freedom of speech and freedom of expression, instead of just expounding them.

In Syria what we see is Western-backed terrorist groups, masterfully out-manoeuvred by the Syrian Armed Forces. And for those who are about to launch howls of derision at this article, here we go: What is Fatah al-Islam doing in Syria, the group described by the USA as a terrorist group with connections to al-Qaeda (2007.08.09)? What is LIFG doing in Syria, the group proscribed by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office as a terrorist group, then supported in Libya and now transported to Syria? And what are Libyan terrorists doing in Syria? What are British, French, US and Turkish military assets doing in Syria? They don't tell you about that one do they? What is a Turkish General doing in Syria? And French military personnel?

And what about the Western-backed MeK? State Department terrorist list then delisted. All you have to do to get delisted is to play the game, meaning you take your orders from Washington or its agencies. Basically a terrorist is an activist that does not buy weapons from the NATO arms lobby; an activist is a terrorist who does. An insurgent is somewhere in the middle

Ask Hillary "War Zone" Clinton or William "Jefferson" Hey! Murdering the Gaddafi grandkids was soooo cool...Hague. These two people have done more to destroy the credibility of their countries for decades to come than any other cabal of disease-ridden criminals. The credibility of the external policy of the FUKUS-Axis is zero and that means the external policy of the USA, UK and France.

They are terrorist supporters and then run crying like ninnies when their terrorists turn against them. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Their policy might have disrupted the Jamahiriya in Libya (temporarily) but it has met its measure in Syria.

The western-backed terrorists are being slaughtered. Zenga zenga. They may complain that air power is being used against them, but then again...what the hell did NATO and the FUKUS-Axis do in Libya? What was that you were saying, Hillary "War Zone" Clinton and William, "if only they knew" Hague?

And wow the choppers are making a lot of noise, almost as much as they made in 'Nam and in Sirt, eh what? Time for zenga zenga... Are Washington and its poodles now going to do what? Nuke someone, as they did before?

Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey

Pravda.Ru



PS: Careful with the cyber terrorist attacks. It kind of goes against the notion of freedom of expression and free speech, eh what?

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/col...syria_filth-0/
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: rowsofvoices9 on August 26, 2012, 05:13:11 PM
Everyone knows, it seems, that Syria has a deadly arsenal of chemical weapons, but almost no one is curious about how Syria managed to obtain these weapons. Back in 2003, you might recall that after American troops failed to locate Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the mainstream media had a field day.

Prior to that time, experts, security officials, United Nations inspectors and media elites were in unanimous agreement: Saddam had wmd, he had used them several times, and he had the means to continue building more. But the left-wing media didn’t seem to care about Saddam’s brutal track record. All that mattered was that a Republican president got it all wrong, supposedly.

Yet not long after that, we read about a massive chemical weapons attack was narrowly averted in, of all places, Jordan! Despite the large-scale nature of this would-be attack, media coverage was scant.

At the time Jordanian authorities said the weapons came from Syria. This was in 2004. At that same time, theTrumpet.com took it a step further. My father asked in an article back in 2004, “Have some of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction been found in Jordan?”

There had been, after all, several reports in 2003 of significant truck movement between Iraq and Syria just prior to the U.S. invasion.  Additional evidence from seized Iraqi docuмents during the war indicated that Iraq received assistance from Russia in transporting weapons and missile components across the border to Syria. Even one of Saddam’s former generals said he was “absolutely certain” wmd were transferred to Syria just before the war started in 2003.


Today, with Syria engulfed in cινιℓ ωαr and Bashar Assad’s regime teetering in the balance, there is an understandable degree of panic about what might happen to Syria’s chemical weapons in the event of a regime change.

Hardly anyone, though, has bothered to ask about how Syria managed to acquire such a massive stockpile of chemical weapons in the first place.  Syria’s short-lived nuclear weapons program was obliterated by an Israeli airstrike in 2007. It hasn’t used wmd on its own people like Saddam did. And it certainly hasn’t had the reputation for being a large-scale manufacturer of wmd. Not like Iraq did before 2003.

And yet last month, when Assad’s government acknowledged that it possessed a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction, no one doubted the claim. There were no intelligence reports theorizing that Syria suspended its wmd program years ago—or saying that the stockpiles simply did not exist.

Everyone knows they exist. But no one asks how they got there—because raising that question would expose the media’s shameful record of bias and deception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-TWYih3PARQ

https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/9787.19.0.0/how-did-syria-acquire-massive-stockpiles-of-wmd

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Croix de Fer on August 27, 2012, 01:33:58 PM
Quote from: rowsofvoices9
Everyone knows, it seems, that Syria has a deadly arsenal of chemical weapons, but almost no one is curious about how Syria managed to obtain these weapons. Back in 2003, you might recall that after American troops failed to locate Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the mainstream media had a field day.

Prior to that time, experts, security officials, United Nations inspectors and media elites were in unanimous agreement: Saddam had wmd, he had used them several times, and he had the means to continue building more. But the left-wing media didn’t seem to care about Saddam’s brutal track record. All that mattered was that a Republican president got it all wrong, supposedly.

Yet not long after that, we read about a massive chemical weapons attack was narrowly averted in, of all places, Jordan! Despite the large-scale nature of this would-be attack, media coverage was scant.

At the time Jordanian authorities said the weapons came from Syria. This was in 2004. At that same time, theTrumpet.com took it a step further. My father asked in an article back in 2004, “Have some of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction been found in Jordan?”

There had been, after all, several reports in 2003 of significant truck movement between Iraq and Syria just prior to the U.S. invasion.  Additional evidence from seized Iraqi docuмents during the war indicated that Iraq received assistance from Russia in transporting weapons and missile components across the border to Syria. Even one of Saddam’s former generals said he was “absolutely certain” wmd were transferred to Syria just before the war started in 2003.


Today, with Syria engulfed in cινιℓ ωαr and Bashar Assad’s regime teetering in the balance, there is an understandable degree of panic about what might happen to Syria’s chemical weapons in the event of a regime change.

Hardly anyone, though, has bothered to ask about how Syria managed to acquire such a massive stockpile of chemical weapons in the first place.  Syria’s short-lived nuclear weapons program was obliterated by an Israeli airstrike in 2007. It hasn’t used wmd on its own people like Saddam did. And it certainly hasn’t had the reputation for being a large-scale manufacturer of wmd. Not like Iraq did before 2003.

And yet last month, when Assad’s government acknowledged that it possessed a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction, no one doubted the claim. There were no intelligence reports theorizing that Syria suspended its wmd program years ago—or saying that the stockpiles simply did not exist.

Everyone knows they exist. But no one asks how they got there—because raising that question would expose the media’s shameful record of bias and deception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-TWYih3PARQ

https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/9787.19.0.0/how-did-syria-acquire-massive-stockpiles-of-wmd



The U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia would not have to worry about Assad's purported chemical weapons if they would never have started their proxy war against the Assad regime in the first place. If Assad goes down, then he has every right to take down Israel and Saudi Arabia with him. They're the main pushers for these wars in the Middle East, N. Africa and Eurasia, and they both control American foreign policy.

The U.S. has more chemical and biological weapons stored in Utah than all nations combined.  
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 27, 2012, 02:19:34 PM
Quote from: rowsofvoices9
Everyone knows, it seems, that Syria has a deadly arsenal of chemical weapons, but almost no one is curious about how Syria managed to obtain these weapons. Back in 2003, you might recall that after American troops failed to locate Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the mainstream media had a field day.[/color]



So do we, plus nukes that we dropped 2x on innocent civilians........and?
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 27, 2012, 02:20:21 PM
We gave Saddam WMD..so, what does that makes us? and he used them on Iran, so makes us accomplices.....
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 27, 2012, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: alaric
Syria troops kill foreign-sponsored insurgents in Deir al-Zour

Syrian security forces have killed several insurgents during clashes in the eastern city of Deir al-Zour as fighting continues between government troops and terrorists in the country.


The Syrian forces engaged the insurgents in Deir al-Zour on Saturday.

Fighting has continued in the city over the past few days.

On May 19, nine people were killed and about 100 others injured in a car bombing carried out outside the security headquarters in Deir al-Zour.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/08/11/255706/syria-insurgents-killed-in-deir-alzour/


They are having their own "war on terror", that we foster on them......who then are terrorists?
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 27, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: ascent
Quote from: rowsofvoices9
Everyone knows, it seems, that Syria has a deadly arsenal of chemical weapons, but almost no one is curious about how Syria managed to obtain these weapons. Back in 2003, you might recall that after American troops failed to locate Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the mainstream media had a field day.

Prior to that time, experts, security officials, United Nations inspectors and media elites were in unanimous agreement: Saddam had wmd, he had used them several times, and he had the means to continue building more. But the left-wing media didn’t seem to care about Saddam’s brutal track record. All that mattered was that a Republican president got it all wrong, supposedly.

Yet not long after that, we read about a massive chemical weapons attack was narrowly averted in, of all places, Jordan! Despite the large-scale nature of this would-be attack, media coverage was scant.

At the time Jordanian authorities said the weapons came from Syria. This was in 2004. At that same time, theTrumpet.com took it a step further. My father asked in an article back in 2004, “Have some of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction been found in Jordan?”

There had been, after all, several reports in 2003 of significant truck movement between Iraq and Syria just prior to the U.S. invasion.  Additional evidence from seized Iraqi docuмents during the war indicated that Iraq received assistance from Russia in transporting weapons and missile components across the border to Syria. Even one of Saddam’s former generals said he was “absolutely certain” wmd were transferred to Syria just before the war started in 2003.


Today, with Syria engulfed in cινιℓ ωαr and Bashar Assad’s regime teetering in the balance, there is an understandable degree of panic about what might happen to Syria’s chemical weapons in the event of a regime change.

Hardly anyone, though, has bothered to ask about how Syria managed to acquire such a massive stockpile of chemical weapons in the first place.  Syria’s short-lived nuclear weapons program was obliterated by an Israeli airstrike in 2007. It hasn’t used wmd on its own people like Saddam did. And it certainly hasn’t had the reputation for being a large-scale manufacturer of wmd. Not like Iraq did before 2003.

And yet last month, when Assad’s government acknowledged that it possessed a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction, no one doubted the claim. There were no intelligence reports theorizing that Syria suspended its wmd program years ago—or saying that the stockpiles simply did not exist.

Everyone knows they exist. But no one asks how they got there—because raising that question would expose the media’s shameful record of bias and deception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-TWYih3PARQ

https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/9787.19.0.0/how-did-syria-acquire-massive-stockpiles-of-wmd



The U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia would not have to worry about Assad's purported chemical weapons if they would never have started their proxy war against the Assad regime in the first place. If Assad goes down, then he has every right to take down Israel and Saudi Arabia with him. They're the main pushers for these wars in the Middle East, N. Africa and Eurasia, and they both control American foreign policy.

The U.S. has more chemical and biological weapons stored in Utah than all nations combined.  


no one seems to care about WMD, unless in hands of non-USA pals.......our freinds? then they get a blank check, not? oops, time for a new color coded spring of change....
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 27, 2012, 03:35:57 PM
http://www.interventionism.info/en/Christians-persecuted-in-Syria
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: rowsofvoices9 on August 27, 2012, 07:32:13 PM
Quote from: Belloc
We gave Saddam WMD..so, what does that makes us? and he used them on Iran, so makes us accomplices.....


I agree completely.  

Why do people give me thumbs down just for pointing out that Russia aided and abetted Saddam in shuffling his stockpile of WMD into Syria and that they continue to assist Syria in their aquisition of the same?  
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on August 28, 2012, 07:24:31 AM
Quote from: rowsofvoices9
Quote from: Belloc
We gave Saddam WMD..so, what does that makes us? and he used them on Iran, so makes us accomplices.....


I agree completely.  

Why do people give me thumbs down just for pointing out that Russia aided and abetted Saddam in shuffling his stockpile of WMD into Syria and that they continue to assist Syria in their aquisition of the same?  


game of chess between NWO in Russia (same people today as was pre-1989) and USA/UK, also, NWO.....

more like various factions of NWO opposing each other and we all get dragged into it.....

Hoping Assad will win out, but.......
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: John Grace on September 14, 2012, 02:09:30 PM
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-09-11/edit-page/33738077_1_arab-world-bashar-assad-syria-today
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The game plan in Syria
Aamir Raza Husain Sep 11, 2012, Times of Indi.a


The present violence is part of a larger narrative of Western manipulation of the Arab world

The situation in Syria today is a result of a hundred years of Anglo-American intervention and incitement. This is the third time the West has tried to topple a legitimate Syrian Regime. The difference this time though is that the West has a pliant press as an ally.

Bashar Assad had lost the propaganda war long before trouble started in Syria two years ago. The movement against him grew by the week in the media, while on the ground it remained a murmur of discontent. CNN, BBC and Wahhabi Arab channels belted out stories of large scale persecution, with preachers like Sheikh Aruoor and the Qatar based Ahmed Karazvi extorting the Syrians to rise up and bomb government buildings and blow up minority religious institutions.
The story of Western manipulation of the Arab world started in the early 20th century as imperial Britain attempted to redraw the maps of the Middle East. They did it for oil, they did it for trade routes, and they did it for fun. With the U.S. as an ally, Britain plotted the overthrow of unfriendly regimes, and the assassination of hostile leaders. After the Second World War President Eisenhower asked his British allies to develop "a high class plan to split the Arabs." And by the early 60's the Arabs were split right down the middle.

On one hand were the secular nationalist regimes led by Egypt's Nasser, which included Syria, Libya and Iraq. On the other hand pro-Western monarchies of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar ruthlessly crushed human rights and followed archaic tribal laws.

"Britain is forced to support the traditionalist (read Salafi/ Wahhabi) though obscurantist regimes" piously wrote James Craig of the foreign office in 1973. "The anti-imperialists" (read anti west) are just so detrimental to our interests."

In the last decade, America has targeted only those nations where there was no al-Qaida, no terror, and no Wahhabi ideology. American intervention has not only destroyed the infrastructure in these countries but also established violent terrorist movements in all of them. The staunchest allies of the U.S. in the Muslim world are Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar and Pakistan. The first three are the largest sponsors of international terror and Pakistan of course practices terror as a state policy.

Through the 1950s, 60s and 70s, the US and the UK undertook military expeditions to destabilise secular Arab nations. They undertook an invasion of Egypt, which failed. They sponsored two assassination attempts on Nasser, which failed. They tried to instigate two revolts in Syria, which also failed.

Way back in 1957 the British cabinet had approved Operation Straggle, a plot to engineer a coup in Damascus. The plan was to create disaffection on the border areas, infiltrate armed insurgents into urban areas and instigate uprisings. Then an Arab invading force was to walk into the country and take over. The then British ambassador to Damascus, Sir John Gardener had been sent funds to encourage defection of Syrian officials. But the plot was foiled by the Syrians and the main conspirators arrested.

Undeterred the MI6 and CIA came up with a "Preferred Plan", which envisaged sabotage and disruptions as strategy. "fαℓѕє fℓαg" action was initiated, under which Western sponsored terrorists would carry out killings and bombings in opposition areas, blaming the Syrian government, and instigating widespread riots and protests. Watching the events unfold in Syria over the past two years, it seems that the Americans are serving old wine in old bottles. They have just changed the date on the labels.

Beleaguered Assad has been claiming that the terror blasts in Syria in December 2011 were Saudi/US sponsored. The Western media kept insisting that they were engineered by the regime itself. But when a tragic blast recently killed the defence minister, the head of national security and Bashar's brother-in-law, this media remained silent.

For centuries British foreign policy was dictated only by commercial gain. Today's Western intervention needs to be understood against the backdrop of a new pattern of energy transportation. Gas pipelines between Iran, Iraq and Syria, provide an enormous impetus to growth. New markets, constructions contracts, infrastructure development are all now available to Russia and China while Bashaar cocks a snook at the West.

The Arab nationalistic challenge to Western interests has always been rooted in the desire to be masters in their own lands and control their own resources. In the latter part of the last century Nasser, Hafiz al Assad, Gaddafi and Saddam became symbols of this freedom for all Arabs.

Today, after 60 years, the lands of Nasser, Gaddafi and Saddam stand destroyed, their resources plundered, their infrastructure demolished, their children growing up in the shadow of guns. Assad stands as the lone survivor.

As the Indian diaspora flee from Damascus and land in Delhi, they have a similar story to tell. "Before an American presidential election some Muslim country gets ravaged," says Kaniz Zainub Zehra. "Clinton did it to Afghanistan, Bush did it to Iraq, Obama did it to Libya. As he comes up for re-election, he is doing it to Syria." "The protests against the regime were all engineered," said Sayed Intikhab, who returned to UP recently.

Even as India has finally re-asserted its non-alignment by abstaining in the Saudi/Qatar/US sponsored UN resolution against Syria, Moscow and China staunchly shield Bashar. Saudi Arabia and Qatar provide rebels with heavy arms while the US and their Western allies continue to fund them.

While Syrians on both sides die the gap between Romney and Obama widens in opinion polls.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: John Grace on September 17, 2012, 10:25:16 AM
Syria: Christians take up arms for first time

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9539244/Syria-Christians-take-up-arms-for-first-time.html
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Christian communities in Aleppo have taken up arms and formed their own militias for the first time, the Daily Telegraph can disclose.

The Christian community has tried to avoid taking sides in the cινιℓ ωαr. In Aleppo, it recruited vigilantes from the Boy Scout movement to protect churches, but as the war moved into the city and spread across its suburbs they have begun to accept weapons from the Syrian army and joined forces with Armenian groups to repel opposition guerrillas.

“Everybody is fighting everybody,” said George, an Armenian Christian from the city. “The Armenians are fighting because they believe the FSA are sent by their Turkish oppressors to attack them, the Christians want to defend their neighborhoods, Shabiha regime militia are there to kill and rape, the army is fighting the FSA, and the [Kurdish militant group] PKK have their own militia too.”

For the past six weeks up to 150 Christian and Armenian fighters have been fighting to prevent Free Syrian Army rebels from entering Christian heartland areas of Aleppo.

Last month the Syrian army claimed a ‘victory’ in removing FSA fighters from the historic Christian quarter of Jdeidah. But Christian militia fighters told the Daily Telegraph it was they who had first attacked the FSA there.

“The FSA were hiding in Farhat Square in Jdeideh. The Church committees stormed in and cleansed the area. Then the Syrian army joined us. They claimed the victory on State television,” said George, who like many Christian refugees is too scared to give his full name. “The rebels were threatening the churches.”

The area, defined by its boutique shops, narrow cobbled streets and the spires and cupolas of the Maronite, Orthodox and Armenian churches, had over the weeks become infiltrated with sniper positions and checkpoints, residents said.

“FSA snipers were on the rooftops and they were attacking the Maronite church and Armenian residents there,” said a former clergyman calling himself John, now in Beirut, who said he had witnessed the battle.

The battle for Aleppo has become bitter, with militant jihadist groups playing a more prominent role than in any other city.

It has become increasingly scarred by accusations of atrocities on both sides, most recently the mass killing of 20 regime troops, whose bodies were displayed on a video apparently uploaded to the internet by a rebel militia.

Residents of the city told The Telegraph that the city’s minorities feared that they would suffer the same fate as Christians in Iraq, who were heavily targeted by the sectarian violence that erupted after the 2003 war.

“They are shouting ‘the Alawites to the graves and the Christians to Beirut,” said an Armenian mother of four who recently fled the city – a claim also made by several other Christian refugees.

[...]
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 17, 2012, 04:59:34 PM
Quote from: rowsofvoices9
Everyone knows, it seems, that Syria has a deadly arsenal of chemical weapons, but almost no one is curious about how Syria managed to obtain these weapons. Back in 2003, you might recall that after American troops failed to locate Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the mainstream media had a field day.


Specifically, the al Assad regime is suspected of having VX, sarin, tabun and mustard gas, and it purportedly can produce a few hundred tons of chemical agents per year. Several major storage and production sites are believed to be located near Homs, Hama, Eastern Damascus, Aleppo, Latakia and Palmyra. An additional 45-50 smaller facilities are believed to be spread out across the country.  What makes you think they cannot make it themselves?

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 17, 2012, 05:34:19 PM
Quote from: rowsofvoices9
Why do people give me thumbs down just for pointing out that Russia aided and abetted Saddam in shuffling his stockpile of WMD into Syria and that they continue to assist Syria in their aquisition of the same?  


I did not thumb you down, but your wrong.  Syria has been producing Chemical WMD for quite some time. Docuмentation of this dates goes as far back then the 90s

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/syria/cw.htm

You should always be worry of arguments starting by some kind of mystery such has, "why no one asks x".  It's usually a license for bullshit.   I'm not saying it's your making, but you seemed to have fallen for it.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 17, 2012, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: Belloc
Hoping Assad will win out, but.......


Yeah, what's not to love!  He's totally awesome ain't he Belloc.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Cuthbert on September 17, 2012, 07:14:56 PM
Assad is certainly better than the child-murdering, sodomite-loving pieces of degenerate human excrement that run this country. Saying so doesn't mean one is calling him a holy man.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on September 18, 2012, 08:55:24 AM
Quote from: Vandaler
Quote from: Belloc
Hoping Assad will win out, but.......


Yeah, what's not to love!  He's totally awesome ain't he Belloc.


much better then the radical AL-CIA-da rebels, like in Libya, wanting to establish a radical islamiist nation. Then again, you likely as you have in the past, bought whatever the media states, just like Libya, you likely did not beleive many of us when we were sounding the alarm there, too.

in the early 80's, his father crushed these radicals and got a thumbs up from Reagan.

The Assads are not popular as they are a minority religious group


Christians have flourished under the Assads, not so much in islamist Libya, Iraq,etc......and if Assad loses, Syria too.

There is at this point no third option......

Then again, you with fancy words have proven, again, you are a leming and willing to buy into what you are told....so, likely, you think these rebels are democracy loving heroes
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on September 18, 2012, 09:04:35 AM
BTW-no one said Assad was agreat guy, but its him right now or rebels, Al-CIA-ada......
Under Assad, Christians are safe to live, practice and serve in Govt, including military and many are high in commercial circles.......how they doing in once Baathist/secular Iraq? not well.........Libya, not doing that great, either.......

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 18, 2012, 11:11:23 AM
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Then again, you with fancy words have proven, again, you are a leming and willing to buy into what you are told....so, likely, you think these rebels are democracy loving heroes


You'd fair much better if you stopped guessing what I think and rather, started addressing what I actually say. You suck at guessing what I think.

I hope for an somewhat orderly fall of Assad, not so much for Syria's sake, but rather for regional consideration.  A fall of Assad is a blow to a fast growing Iran hegemony in the region which is growing increasingly dangerous.  In this change of government something perhaps just as bad will spring (or not) but thus is governance - you manage the intented and unintended consequences. -

Still Im glad you nuanced your position.

But that's not the crux of my intervention in this thread.  What I mainly wanted to say was that Syria does not have Saddams WMD.  There was no WMD, that's been made very clear as the case for WMD was based of faulty intelligence (the infamous informant "Curveball" who was in fact chronic liar).   It hurts my brain to read people still searching for weapons that everyone now in 2012 acknowledge did not exist.





Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Cuthbert on September 18, 2012, 01:58:42 PM
Quote from: Vandaler
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Then again, you with fancy words have proven, again, you are a leming and willing to buy into what you are told....so, likely, you think these rebels are democracy loving heroes


You'd fair much better if you stopped guessing what I think and rather, started addressing what I actually say. You suck at guessing what I think.

I hope for an somewhat orderly fall of Assad, not so much for Syria's sake, but rather for regional consideration.  A fall of Assad is a blow to a fast growing Iran hegemony in the region which is growing increasingly dangerous.  In this change of government something perhaps just as bad will spring (or not) but thus is governance - you manage the intented and unintended consequences. -

Still Im glad you nuanced your position.

But that's not the crux of my intervention in this thread.  What I mainly wanted to say was that Syria does not have Saddams WMD.  There was no WMD, that's been made very clear as the case for WMD was based of faulty intelligence (the infamous informant "Curveball" who was in fact chronic liar).   It hurts my brain to read people still searching for weapons that everyone now in 2012 acknowledge did not exist.







 Might it be said then that you desire the hegemony of the Zionist Entity? I'd rather see Persian hegemony any day, if the alternative is the continued domination of the region by filthy blaspheming murdering тαℓмυdic scuм. If you would stop reading the New York Times, or whatever propaganda organ it is that you prefer, & actually read about Persia you would see that Christians are not persecuted in Persia as they are in the wonderful "liberated" American (meaning lap-dog of the Zionist Entity) puppet state of Iraq.

The few Christians in Persia live in peace, can go to Mass without interference &c., no bombings & mass shootings as in the "liberated" countries; wait there are bombings & shootings of policemen & military officers, scientists &c. in Persia, who perpetrates these crimes? Worthless cowards sent by those who run the Zionist Entity & by their contemptibly subservient little lap-dogs, their nauseating cringing toadies in the Babylon on the Potomac, that's who.

 The Persian тαℓмυdists go about their business in Tehran & elsewhere in Persia without any undue suffering. If the Persian government were what the propagandists of the Zionist Entity say they are, they could easily have rounded up & exterminated their own Christian & тαℓмυdist populations years ago. The rabid beasts that they are portrayed to be (funny how the proverb is proved true every day, the Jєω cries out as he strikes you, they always claim others to be what they are themselves) wouldn't have been able to restrain themselves.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 18, 2012, 05:08:09 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
Might it be said then that you desire the hegemony of the Zionist Entity? I'd rather see Persian hegemony any day.


False dilemma, it's not an either/or proposition.

In fact, this is the second posts in a row that you choose to pose a false alternative which you hate to answer me which in the end, only serve  to get on your soap box and throwup your rhetoric like a drunken sailor.

No, I don't favor an Isreal hegemony and it's not on my mind either.  Israel cannot project much power outside of it's borders for obvious ethnic and religious reasons.





Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 18, 2012, 07:18:54 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
Christians are not persecuted in Persia as they are in the wonderful "liberated" American (meaning lap-dog of the Zionist Entity) puppet state of Iraq.


Ignorant... since the pull out of American's out of Iraq, the one country that has the most influance on Iraq is Iran!  It undercuts your whole mindless diatrabe.

Israel holds no sway on Iraq.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Cuthbert on September 18, 2012, 07:52:28 PM
In case you hadn't noticed, the Zionist Entity has no need to send its own troops to do its bidding, they've got a giant slobbering attack dog in the form of the U.S. military to do it for them. Speaking of ignorance, you must be quite ignorant of the nature of International Jєωry, they never get their hands dirty if they can possibly avoid it, can you picture Netanyahu going over the top, bayoneted rifle in hand, determined to conquer or die? Just imagining it makes one laugh.

They're very intelligent & also very cowardly. They tell the great masses in this country, who can't even find their own country on a map, let alone tell the difference between a sunni & a shiite, that big bad swarthy chaps in turbans are going to use them for scimitar practice unless they do what they're told, submit to constant surveillance, being molested if they want to travel by aeroplane &c.

Also, do you really believe that the Z.O.G. in D.C. no longer controls Iraq? If so, you would also likely have believed the reports in Soviet newspapers that Comrade Stalin's glorious Red Army was dropping bread, not bombs on Helsinki during the Winter War.

Lastly, the word influence is spelled with an e, not an a, & it's "diatribe", with an i, not an a. Is English your native language old boy? If not it's understandable, the English orthography is rather difficult, if it is, then perhaps it would be best not to lecture others on their ignorance, because they have a distaste for the dung sandwiches served up by the zionist-controlled American, British & continental (pertaining to the continent of Europe, France, Germany &c.) press.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on September 19, 2012, 07:17:07 AM
I noticed vandaler seems only content to post here at CI on politics and govt issues. Never se him get into other areas. He seems to exist to come out of woodwork to post on debunking any questioning of Govt........hmm.. :scratchchin:
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 19, 2012, 07:26:08 PM
Quote from: Cuthbert
... can you picture Netanyahu going over the top, bayoneted rifle in hand, determined to conquer or die? Just imagining it makes one laugh.


I don't know why you would hold politicians to the standards of soldiers, but since your on the subject, his brother Yonathan, lead of one of the most daring and stunning counter-terrorism operation ever. (operation Entebbe) He's fought in all the wars, from 67 to 76.  All wars and operations in which Israel was fighting by itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonatan_Netanyahu

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Also, do you really believe that the Z.O.G. in D.C. no longer controls Iraq?


I did not say that, but I do say that Iran carry around a big stick in Iraq and Isreal does not, thus defeating your intervention.

My first language is French.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Cuthbert on September 19, 2012, 11:54:59 PM
I must say that I'm surprised, I never would have imagined any of Netanyahu's family actually going out on dangerous missions. I suppose that it happens every now & then, rather like Stalin not getting his son back from the Germans when he could have done so. This willingness to risk themselves would tend to make one respect them to a certain extent, wicked tho' they are, this certainly can't be said for Obama & other teleprompter reading stooges.

I still think you're wrong regarding the danger posed by Iran. Iranians don't run all of these central banks that are causing the ever worsening depression, so that they can buy everything up for a minute fraction of what it's worth. They want to do to the entire world what they did to Germany during the 20's & early 30's, & to countless other countries since then. Iranians don't poison the food with genetically modified organisms, monosodium glutamate, high fructose corn syrup & who knows what else.

 They don't fluoridate water supplies, Iran is not the most prolific producer of pornography in the world, they don't massacre their own children en masse & call for the same to be done in all other countries. These things all originated from the malevolent agentur of international judaeo-masonry. Iranians don't call for the destruction of what little remains of the family. They really only want to be let alone, but that of course can't be permitted.

All of this talk to the effect that Iran can't be permitted to possess nuclear weapons is ludicrous. If Pakistan has them why not Iran? If mohammedans are supposedly the greatest threat (I don't deny that they can be quite dangerous, but judaeo-masonry is much more dangerous. It's like comparing an American rattlesnake to a king cobra), the possibility of a coup d'etat (sorry no accent marks on my computer) taking place, with the result of a fanatical mohammedan dictator seizing power & using the weapons to satiate his hatred, despite the certainty of his own country being annihilated in turn is more probable in Pakistan than Iran, & the Pakistanis were given the weapons by the U.S., which has grovelled before the leaders of the Zionist Entity for decades.

The real reasons for all of this continual agitation to get a war going is that Iran is one of the very few countries not yet totally dominated by international judaeo-masonry, & that having another world war, for it's rather likely that this will be the result of a zionist attack on Iran, will give them the necessary pretext to begin carrying out full-scale repressive measures against the populations of the various western "1st world" countries. Don't you dare criticise the government in any way whatsoever, or you're a mohammedan sympathiser who needs to be put into a camp, that sort of thing. It will also distract everyone from the ongoing depression, rather like World War II. From their point of view it's a win-win situation.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on September 20, 2012, 09:52:35 AM
WITH OUR EXPORTING AND PUSHING ABORTION, HOMOS,PORNO,WARS, DEMOCRACY,ETC-WE ARE FAR MORE DANGEROUS THEN IRAN, DESPITE THE CONTROLLED MEDIA HYPE
AGAIN, VANDELAR IS PROVING HE SPEAKS WITH GOOD WORDS AND DICTION, YET BUYS INTO EVERYTHING HE READS, MAINSTREAM, A WORLD WITH NO LIES AND ALL TRUTH.....
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 20, 2012, 11:14:08 AM
Belloc, all the capitalized letters in the world won't save you from simple facts that are plain to read.  Your misrepresenting what I wrote. Stawmen is your motus operendi. it's weak, I'd even say effeminate of you.   Man up and address me on what I write rather then on fantasies of what you think I mean behind my writing.

I stand alone here, and will defend what I write and I love little more then a chance to really debate, but you decline that every occasion you get, with instead, ludicrous insinuations.

I never said Iran was dangerous proper.  I did say that an Iran with to much regional power is dangerous because of the tension it would generate. (Thus I dont like an Iran propped Syria) What's more, when I write that, I'm not even thinking about Jєω-Persian tension but rather with the little talked about in the media (gasp) Shia-Sunni tension.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 20, 2012, 11:18:40 AM
Cuthbert, the problem with a nuclear Iran is that it invites a middle-east arms race lead by the Saudies.

Your single focus on Israel lacks in depth of how immensely complicated that region is.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 20, 2012, 11:29:03 AM
Quote from: Belloc
I noticed vandaler seems only content to post here at CI on politics and govt issues. Never se him get into other areas. He seems to exist to come out of woodwork to post on debunking any questioning of Govt........hmm.. :scratchchin:


Please say it out loud!  
Please say it, please say it.

 :laugh1:

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on September 20, 2012, 01:48:08 PM
have you on hide, to me you are blind and likely a agi-prop....you only come here to CI and out of shell to debunk political and/or military issues.....no other issues you tackle......are you paid? do hope you do not come here, replete with multiple sources and links at your finger tips, for free.....
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on September 20, 2012, 02:52:07 PM
Quote from: Belloc
have you on hide, to me you are blind and likely a agi-prop....you only come here to CI and out of shell to debunk political and/or military issues.....no other issues you tackle......are you paid? do hope you do not come here, replete with multiple sources and links at your finger tips, for free.....


Ahhhh..

Thanks, you have no clue how nice for you to say what I longed to ear.

No, I'm not paid, in fact, quite often, I'm the one who pay to have acces to the very best information believe it or not.   I do it for my own sake, because I take crap from no one.

But to turn the table is more interesting.  You think your important enough that people would pay to try and persuade you ?   Bug you ? I'm conceited, aggressive and an egomaniac, but Id never dream that anyone would pay to confront me.  It's just down right bizarre.

Also, you delight me with a full IMAX, picture perfect view of your paranoia.  After all, if we talk about say:  NWO.  I might tell you it does not exist, but there would always be that lingering doubt in my mind that nags: what if I'm wrong!   But here, no doubts... I know who I am, I know where the effort I put in gathering all the vetted information I have at my finger tips and mostly, I know, in perfect, crisp reality that you are not only wrong, but also, motivated by a weird paranoia.

It's a beautiful day out. I'll take a walk to enjoy this moment.

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Ethelred on October 04, 2012, 07:50:28 AM
Back on-topic:

For the first time Turkey bombards towns in Syria after "border deaths".
See various news-media.

Because Turkey is a NATO member, this could bring the NATO officially into war against Syria, a close ally of the Iran.
I say officially, because the Western countries already train and finance the terrorists who operate in Syria and who're being named "Syrian opposition".

If the NATO officially invaded Syria, this would also make Russia to appear on the scene. Because their marine base in the Syrian harbour town Tartus is their only presence in the Mediterranean Sea, and naturally they won't appreciate an USrael controlled Middle-East.

I'm very sorry for all involved casualties. Now the cold war gets hotter.


"Everybody calls peace, Schalom! Then it will occur - a new Middle East war suddenly flames up, big naval forces are facing hostiley in the Mediterranean - the situation is strained. But the actual firing spark is set on fire in the Balkan: I see a "large one" falling, a bloody dagger lies beside him - then impact is on impact."
(Alois Irlmaier (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/The-Prophecies-Of-Alois-Irlmaier) whose visions match Fatima pretty well IMO.)
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on October 04, 2012, 08:40:08 AM
Trukey likely manipulated the situation......hey, good to see Govt debunker Vandaler back, was wondering, since he does not post on Fide issues, when we were going to have a topic of politics he could come and do the Govt bidding on.....Good to see ya back Vandaler and hope Steven Harper (or NSA) getting a lot of buck for ya.....

as for paranoia, no, not at all, just look at facts ,connect dots when and if they are there.....from your posts, you pay for info? would get a refund, its all the same disinfo, gobbly gook.....glad i was nto like you as a cop, would have trampled on and arrested a lot of innocent folks on orders.....sometimes, one has to dig....

and as the "taking crap" part, you dont have to at all, you are right where our elites want you to be and saying what they want........you might wantto read Catholic authors, they have plenty to say on cօռspιʀαcιҽs (Fr. Fahey, Pope St. Pius X,etc). Your comments about paranoia, very droll and worn, anyone asking questions or seeing something is not adding up is "paranoid conspiracy nut"....

Please by all means, take a walk-Harper I am sure would be proud of your work....a good lemming..... :baby:
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Ethelred on October 04, 2012, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Turkey likely manipulated the situation......

Yes, this whole things smells like another fαℓѕє fℓαg operation, this time by the Turks. They can't wait to start this war (and the NATO exploits this). Well, they'll get their surprise when the Russians appear on the scene (and there's many indications that another NATO member, the orthodox Greece, could ally with the orthodox Russia then).  

I think we're currently seeing a lot of smaller actions which could flow into the big war however. Let's remember what Bishop Williamson uses to say (italics by me) :



Eleison Comments LVIII, 9th August 2008

La-La-Landslide II

On November 17 of last year Eleison Comments said that the Great Warning prophesied at Garabandal might take place in February or March of this year. That did not happen. One reader asks me why.

The reason is simple. It was not yet the time fixed by Almighty God. When is that time? I do not know. However, I still believe that Garabandal is a sleeping volcano, and I believe it may easily erupt in 2009, because my main reason for taking seriously a few pointers to 2008 was the instability and precariousness of the world situation, which is more unstable and precarious than ever.

The capitalism launched in England by the founding in 1694 of the first Central Bank of a nation is collapsing around our ears. The hurting capitalists who just recently would blast any government that interfered with free enterprise, are now themselves begging the US government to bail out their banks. So capitalism, having made itself „too big to fail“, is now, sure enough, mutating into government control, which, being atheistic and materialistic, amounts to communism!

What will happen then in the next few years, only God knows. But it is easy to imagine inside the USA martial law becoming necessary to maintain a semblance of law and order, and outside the USA the Third World War, which is coming and will be terrible. It may well come soon, because for years now the vile media have been beating the drums of war for an attack on Iran, and as the people become more and more discontented with the collapse of money inside the United States, the temptation for the politicians to distract them with a war outside may become virtually irresistible.

There is much evidence that both collapse and war have long been planned by enemies of God to give them control of the entire world.
The only light in which one can grasp the full problem and its correct solution, is the light of God and of our Catholic religion. God is not mocked. Read the Old Testament prophets, especially Jeremiah, and pray up to or over 15 Mysteries a day of the Holy Rosary. Kyrie eleison.

Bishop Richard Williamson
La Reja, Argentia
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on October 04, 2012, 09:00:45 AM
Ethelred, true, to get back on topic from a smug debunker from Cananda, we are looking at beginning of WWIII I think..Celente had some rather hammering points on this a few days back, pulled no punches....

and to say there is no NWO, is rather foolish and slams most trads here, in clergy (say Williamson, Gruner, Kramer,etc)......keep taking that walk.....the IMax is on a fellow with no discernment nor Catholic sensus.......
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on October 04, 2012, 10:38:17 AM
anyone here from Syria? or know someone from there?
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Belloc on October 04, 2012, 10:39:03 AM
meant Turkey, BTW, sorry for my poor typing..
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: poche on October 11, 2012, 04:44:45 AM
We need to pray for these poor people, in particular for the Christians who have to live there.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Vandaler on October 11, 2012, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: Ethelred
They can't wait to start this war...


Empty words Ethelred.  There is no evidence for this, in fact, the evidence is to the contrary (they are cautious against escalation while recognizing that they cannot stand idly while being shelled.  It's politically untanable)
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Francisco on October 12, 2012, 06:43:40 AM
Quote from: Belloc
Ethelred, true, to get back on topic from a smug debunker from Cananda, we are looking at beginning of WWIII I think..Celente had some rather hammering points on this a few days back, pulled no punches....

and to say there is no NWO, is rather foolish and slams most trads here, in clergy (say Williamson, Gruner, Kramer,etc)......keep taking that walk.....the IMax is on a fellow with no discernment nor Catholic sensus.......


NWO? Is that the US-Zionist domination of mankind? I have heard that this NWO is/will be UN controlled. So far, not a single UN resolution that has gone against Israel has been implemented. The Palestinians keep losing more of their land each day. The UN sanctioned US action in Iraq (and Libya?).
Fr Gruner? His apostolate will run and run until the Pope and ALL the bishops ( entire pack Novus Ordo) consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. He will be monitoring it to make sure ALL do it. If some dont want to do it, or are sick or in hospital, or are traveling on that date, or get caught in traffic , then SORRY - it has to be done again ...and... Gruner's apostolate continues ....
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 21, 2013, 07:43:16 PM
This is nonsense.

Supposedly, we are to believe the Syrian government is turning chemical weapons on residential areas.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2398691/Syria-Nerve-gas-attack-near-Damascus-kills-1-300-including-women-children.html

This stinks of lies.  It's clear that Western powers badly want Syria liquidated.  

When will this insanity end.  

Pair this with Obama's half-brother running the financial international wing of the Muslim Brotherhood, and I'd say ...

... I don't know what to say.  I'm speechless.

This crap's got to end.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: StCeciliasGirl on August 21, 2013, 10:36:24 PM
No way Assad would have made that kind of move with journalists in his backyard; I haven't found even ardent O-supporters who believe that claptrap. Putin probably rolled his eyes at the NWO's latest attempt to damage Syria, and will continue to back Syria regardless of the West's "journalism".

(These journalists, seriously  :facepalm: They just take their paychecks and repeat the party line now.)
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Telesphorus on August 21, 2013, 10:39:22 PM
This is what happens when Jєωs and their lying supporters run amok.

It makes absolutely no sense for Bashar Assad to do this.

However, those who've sold their souls to Jєωs will squawk "tin foil hat"
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: LaramieHirsch on August 21, 2013, 11:56:21 PM
Quote from: Telesphorus
This is what happens when Jєωs and their lying supporters run amok.

It makes absolutely no sense for Bashar Assad to do this.



Yup.  I hope that the world will see through this.  I'll bet Webster Tarpley will have something to say about it, for sure.  (For what his opinion's worth, that is.)
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: inspiritu20 on August 26, 2013, 06:40:08 PM
And so it begins.  Britain and France want NATO to attack Syria this week, without consulting the UN or their respective parliaments.

Russia is giving the clearest warnings that there are going to be consequences if they go ahead.

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In an apparent last ditch attempt to forestall United States, British and French preparations to strike targets in Syria, Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister insisted that it is so far “impossible” to know who was behind the attacks and said he was “astonished” by the rhetoric coming from Western capitals.

“We are especially concerned to hear talk coming from London and Paris suggesting that Nato could take the lead in bombing in Syria without Security Council approval. This is a very slippery slope,” said Mr Lavrov.

“Any military action without Security Council approval would be a grave violation of international law."

“Such actions [would contradict] the accord signed by the G8 leaders earlier this year, which says in black and white that any information on the use of chemical weapons in Syria should be thoroughly investigated and submitted to the United Nations Security Council."

Mr Lavrov, who said he had a “lengthy” telephone conversation with John Kerry, the US Secretary of State, on the matter yesterday, refused to be drawn on what action Russia might take should strikes take place.

He said Mr Kerry had no concrete answer when asked how the US would ensure that any intervention would improve the situation in the country, rather than make it worse.

Asked whether Russia would change its stance should it be proved that Assad regime forces were responsible, he said it was up to the UN inspectors to determine whether an attack had taken place and up to the UN Security Council to determine guilt.

But Mr Lavrov suggested that video footage that appeared of the aftermath of the alleged attack had been faked, and that if an attack had taken place place it was carried out by the rebels.

“We should check all the information circulating on the internet – there are many comments by experts from the US, Britain and other countries saying these videos are not credible. Information on some blogs says videos were posted hours before the attacks were announced,” he said.

“And there is another question – what were all these people doing in one place? Why are the doctors tending to them not wearing protective gear?”

His comments came shortly after UN inspectors came under sniper fire while travelling to the site of last week’s alleged chemical weapon attack.

Mr Lavrov called the attack on the inspectors part of a systematic pattern of undermining efforts to find a diplomatic solution to the cινιℓ ωαr in Syria.

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: inspiritu20 on August 26, 2013, 06:44:54 PM
And meanwhile, Israel is targeting Iran.

Things look like getting pretty hot, pretty quickly.

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On Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press," speaking out against Iran and against the idea that going to war with Iran would be worse than a nuclear Iran.

Netanyahu, who got in a spat with the White House this week over defining the "red lines" which Iran cannot cross before America endorses military action, told host David Gregory, "I mean I heard some people suggest, David, I actually read this in the American press. They said, "Well, you know, if you take action, that's a lot worse than having Iran with nuclear weapons."

Some have even said that Iran with nuclear weapons would stabilize the Middle East, stabilize the Middle East. I think the people who say this have set a new standard for human stupidity."

Although Israel does not seem to have any plans for an immediate attack on Iran, the rhetoric has been ratcheted up in recent days, which made Netanyahu's interview all the more important.


Here are some highlights from Netanyahu's "Meet the Press" interview:

1) On Iran

GREGORY:
Is it your view that this administration is either unwilling or unable to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon?

PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU:  No. President Obama has said that he’s determined to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons and I appreciate that and I respect that.

I think implicit in that is that if you’re determined to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons, it means you’ll act before they get nuclear weapons.

And I can tell you David that Iran has been placed with some clear red lines on a few matters and they have avoided crossing them. So I think that as they get closer and closer and closer to the achievement of weapons grade material, and they are very close, they are six months away from being about ninety percent of having the enriched uranium for an atom bomb, I think that you have to place that red line before them now before it’s-- it’s too late. That was the point that I was making.

GREGORY: As a prime minister of Israel, has Iran crossed your red line?

PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU:  Well, the way I would say it David is they are in the red zone. You know, they are in the last 20 yards.

And you can’t let them cross that goal line.  

You can’t let them score a touchdown because that would have unbelievable consequences, grievous consequences, for the peace and security of us all-- of the world really.

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on August 27, 2013, 12:26:20 AM
Syrian Government Never used Poison Gas on its own People:

http://youtu.be/vbfcceEkn_M
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: inspiritu20 on August 27, 2013, 05:50:45 AM
Assad had nothing to gain and everything to lose by gassing his own people.

The rebels were trained and supplied by the US, UK and Saudi Arabia.  They were certainly capable of doing it and had the motive.

This is just another fαℓѕє fℓαg to justify inflaming the war in the Mid East.

It's not going to end well.

I wonder if recent rumblings from the Church about consecrations to OLF are somehow related.

Or two popes consecrating the Vatican to St Michael and one of them a bishop in white retiring from the world to a life of prayer and repentance.

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: inspiritu20 on August 27, 2013, 06:30:34 AM
Behold Damascus shall cease to be a city, and shall be as a ruinous heap of stones. [2] The cities of Aroer shall be left for flocks, and they shall rest there, and there shall be none to make them afraid. [3] And aid shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus: and the remnant of Syria shall be as the glory of the children of Israel: saith the Lord of hosts. [4] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall grow lean. [5] And it shall be as when one gathereth in the harvest that which remaineth, and his arm shall gather the ears of corn: and it shall be as he that seeketh ears in the vale of Raphaim.

[6] And the fruit thereof that shall be left upon it, shall be as one cluster of grapes, and as the shaking of the olive tree, two or three berries in the top of a bough, or four or five upon the top of the tree, saith the Lord the God of Israel. [7] In that day man shall bow down himself to his Maker, and his eyes shall look to the Holy One of Israel. [8] And he shall not look to the altars which his hands made: and he shall not have respect to the things that his fingers wrought, such as groves and temples. [9] In that day his strong cities shall be forsaken, as the ploughs, and the corn that were left before the face of the children of Israel, and thou shalt be desolate. [10] Because thou hast forgotten God thy saviour, and hast not remembered thy strong helper: therefore shalt thou plant good plants, and shalt sow strange seed.

Isaias Chapter 17
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: Franciscan Solitary on August 27, 2013, 09:08:30 AM
In all sober truth, the "situation in Syria" and the Middle East has but one name now:

Armageddon.

The Wolves of Hell are unleashed and this Ultimate Battle is only for the brave.

Our women should pray, but our men had damned well be getting ready to fight...


Pax Christi

Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: inspiritu20 on August 27, 2013, 09:39:59 AM
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http://rt.com/news/uk-us-military-strike-syria-027/

“Warplanes and military transporters” have reportedly been moved to Britain’s Akrotiri airbase in Cyprus in the latest sign of the allied forces’ preparations for a military strike on Syria amid bellicose rhetoric against the Syrian government.

Two commercial pilots who regularly fly from Larnaca, Cyprus, claim to have spotted C-130 transport planes from their own aircraft and small formations of possibly European fighter jets from their radar screens, according to the Guardian.

Akrotiri airbase is less than 100 miles from Syria, making it a likely hub for a bombing campaign. Residents near the airfield confirmed to the Guardian that “activity there has been much higher than normal over the past 48 hours.”

The upsurge in flight activity has been denied by a spokesman for Britain's airbases in Cyprus, Reuters reported, also citing Cyprus’s Foreign Minister Ioannis Kasoulides as saying that he doubted the airbases would be used if Western powers did take action against Syria.  

“I have the impression that the British bases won't play any primary role... because they are not needed, but we will have to see," Kasoulides told Cypriot state radio.

Downing Street says armed forces are drawing up contingency plans for military action in Syria, Reuters reported.

UK Prime Minister David Cameron on Tuesday recalled members of parliament from their summer break for an urgent discussion. The session is due to be held on Thursday to vote on a possible military response to the alleged chemical attack in Syria.

Meanwhile, top military officials from ten Western and Middle Eastern nations – led by US Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey and his Jordanian counterpart – met in Amman, Jordan, to discuss potential military action in Syria. This follows reports that Dempsey presented potential military options to the White House over the weekend.

On Friday, Reuters revealed the US Navy was expanding its Mediterranean presence with a fourth ship capable launching long-range, subsonic cruise missiles to reach land targets in Syria.




"TEN Western and Middle Eastern nations"??

Lord have mercy on us poor sinners.
Title: Situation in Syria
Post by: MiserereMeiDeus on August 27, 2013, 12:32:49 PM
Even though WND routinely shills for Israel, sometimes they get it right:

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/