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Offline rowsofvoices9

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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2012, 07:32:13 PM »
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    We gave Saddam WMD..so, what does that makes us? and he used them on Iran, so makes us accomplices.....


    I agree completely.  

    Why do people give me thumbs down just for pointing out that Russia aided and abetted Saddam in shuffling his stockpile of WMD into Syria and that they continue to assist Syria in their aquisition of the same?  
    My conscience compels me to make this disclaimer lest God judges me partly culpable for the errors and heresy promoted on this forum... For the record I support neither Sedevacantism or the SSPX.  I do not define myself as either a traditionalist or Novus


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    « Reply #46 on: August 28, 2012, 07:24:31 AM »
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    Quote from: Belloc
    We gave Saddam WMD..so, what does that makes us? and he used them on Iran, so makes us accomplices.....


    I agree completely.  

    Why do people give me thumbs down just for pointing out that Russia aided and abetted Saddam in shuffling his stockpile of WMD into Syria and that they continue to assist Syria in their aquisition of the same?  


    game of chess between NWO in Russia (same people today as was pre-1989) and USA/UK, also, NWO.....

    more like various factions of NWO opposing each other and we all get dragged into it.....

    Hoping Assad will win out, but.......
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    « Reply #47 on: September 14, 2012, 02:09:30 PM »
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  • http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-09-11/edit-page/33738077_1_arab-world-bashar-assad-syria-today
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    The game plan in Syria
    Aamir Raza Husain Sep 11, 2012, Times of Indi.a


    The present violence is part of a larger narrative of Western manipulation of the Arab world

    The situation in Syria today is a result of a hundred years of Anglo-American intervention and incitement. This is the third time the West has tried to topple a legitimate Syrian Regime. The difference this time though is that the West has a pliant press as an ally.

    Bashar Assad had lost the propaganda war long before trouble started in Syria two years ago. The movement against him grew by the week in the media, while on the ground it remained a murmur of discontent. CNN, BBC and Wahhabi Arab channels belted out stories of large scale persecution, with preachers like Sheikh Aruoor and the Qatar based Ahmed Karazvi extorting the Syrians to rise up and bomb government buildings and blow up minority religious institutions.
    The story of Western manipulation of the Arab world started in the early 20th century as imperial Britain attempted to redraw the maps of the Middle East. They did it for oil, they did it for trade routes, and they did it for fun. With the U.S. as an ally, Britain plotted the overthrow of unfriendly regimes, and the assassination of hostile leaders. After the Second World War President Eisenhower asked his British allies to develop "a high class plan to split the Arabs." And by the early 60's the Arabs were split right down the middle.

    On one hand were the secular nationalist regimes led by Egypt's Nasser, which included Syria, Libya and Iraq. On the other hand pro-Western monarchies of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar ruthlessly crushed human rights and followed archaic tribal laws.

    "Britain is forced to support the traditionalist (read Salafi/ Wahhabi) though obscurantist regimes" piously wrote James Craig of the foreign office in 1973. "The anti-imperialists" (read anti west) are just so detrimental to our interests."

    In the last decade, America has targeted only those nations where there was no al-Qaida, no terror, and no Wahhabi ideology. American intervention has not only destroyed the infrastructure in these countries but also established violent terrorist movements in all of them. The staunchest allies of the U.S. in the Muslim world are Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar and Pakistan. The first three are the largest sponsors of international terror and Pakistan of course practices terror as a state policy.

    Through the 1950s, 60s and 70s, the US and the UK undertook military expeditions to destabilise secular Arab nations. They undertook an invasion of Egypt, which failed. They sponsored two assassination attempts on Nasser, which failed. They tried to instigate two revolts in Syria, which also failed.

    Way back in 1957 the British cabinet had approved Operation Straggle, a plot to engineer a coup in Damascus. The plan was to create disaffection on the border areas, infiltrate armed insurgents into urban areas and instigate uprisings. Then an Arab invading force was to walk into the country and take over. The then British ambassador to Damascus, Sir John Gardener had been sent funds to encourage defection of Syrian officials. But the plot was foiled by the Syrians and the main conspirators arrested.

    Undeterred the MI6 and CIA came up with a "Preferred Plan", which envisaged sabotage and disruptions as strategy. "fαℓѕє fℓαg" action was initiated, under which Western sponsored terrorists would carry out killings and bombings in opposition areas, blaming the Syrian government, and instigating widespread riots and protests. Watching the events unfold in Syria over the past two years, it seems that the Americans are serving old wine in old bottles. They have just changed the date on the labels.

    Beleaguered Assad has been claiming that the terror blasts in Syria in December 2011 were Saudi/US sponsored. The Western media kept insisting that they were engineered by the regime itself. But when a tragic blast recently killed the defence minister, the head of national security and Bashar's brother-in-law, this media remained silent.

    For centuries British foreign policy was dictated only by commercial gain. Today's Western intervention needs to be understood against the backdrop of a new pattern of energy transportation. Gas pipelines between Iran, Iraq and Syria, provide an enormous impetus to growth. New markets, constructions contracts, infrastructure development are all now available to Russia and China while Bashaar cocks a snook at the West.

    The Arab nationalistic challenge to Western interests has always been rooted in the desire to be masters in their own lands and control their own resources. In the latter part of the last century Nasser, Hafiz al Assad, Gaddafi and Saddam became symbols of this freedom for all Arabs.

    Today, after 60 years, the lands of Nasser, Gaddafi and Saddam stand destroyed, their resources plundered, their infrastructure demolished, their children growing up in the shadow of guns. Assad stands as the lone survivor.

    As the Indian diaspora flee from Damascus and land in Delhi, they have a similar story to tell. "Before an American presidential election some Muslim country gets ravaged," says Kaniz Zainub Zehra. "Clinton did it to Afghanistan, Bush did it to Iraq, Obama did it to Libya. As he comes up for re-election, he is doing it to Syria." "The protests against the regime were all engineered," said Sayed Intikhab, who returned to UP recently.

    Even as India has finally re-asserted its non-alignment by abstaining in the Saudi/Qatar/US sponsored UN resolution against Syria, Moscow and China staunchly shield Bashar. Saudi Arabia and Qatar provide rebels with heavy arms while the US and their Western allies continue to fund them.

    While Syrians on both sides die the gap between Romney and Obama widens in opinion polls.

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    « Reply #48 on: September 17, 2012, 10:25:16 AM »
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  • Syria: Christians take up arms for first time

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9539244/Syria-Christians-take-up-arms-for-first-time.html
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    Christian communities in Aleppo have taken up arms and formed their own militias for the first time, the Daily Telegraph can disclose.

    The Christian community has tried to avoid taking sides in the cινιℓ ωαr. In Aleppo, it recruited vigilantes from the Boy Scout movement to protect churches, but as the war moved into the city and spread across its suburbs they have begun to accept weapons from the Syrian army and joined forces with Armenian groups to repel opposition guerrillas.

    “Everybody is fighting everybody,” said George, an Armenian Christian from the city. “The Armenians are fighting because they believe the FSA are sent by their Turkish oppressors to attack them, the Christians want to defend their neighborhoods, Shabiha regime militia are there to kill and rape, the army is fighting the FSA, and the [Kurdish militant group] PKK have their own militia too.”

    For the past six weeks up to 150 Christian and Armenian fighters have been fighting to prevent Free Syrian Army rebels from entering Christian heartland areas of Aleppo.

    Last month the Syrian army claimed a ‘victory’ in removing FSA fighters from the historic Christian quarter of Jdeidah. But Christian militia fighters told the Daily Telegraph it was they who had first attacked the FSA there.

    “The FSA were hiding in Farhat Square in Jdeideh. The Church committees stormed in and cleansed the area. Then the Syrian army joined us. They claimed the victory on State television,” said George, who like many Christian refugees is too scared to give his full name. “The rebels were threatening the churches.”

    The area, defined by its boutique shops, narrow cobbled streets and the spires and cupolas of the Maronite, Orthodox and Armenian churches, had over the weeks become infiltrated with sniper positions and checkpoints, residents said.

    “FSA snipers were on the rooftops and they were attacking the Maronite church and Armenian residents there,” said a former clergyman calling himself John, now in Beirut, who said he had witnessed the battle.

    The battle for Aleppo has become bitter, with militant jihadist groups playing a more prominent role than in any other city.

    It has become increasingly scarred by accusations of atrocities on both sides, most recently the mass killing of 20 regime troops, whose bodies were displayed on a video apparently uploaded to the internet by a rebel militia.

    Residents of the city told The Telegraph that the city’s minorities feared that they would suffer the same fate as Christians in Iraq, who were heavily targeted by the sectarian violence that erupted after the 2003 war.

    “They are shouting ‘the Alawites to the graves and the Christians to Beirut,” said an Armenian mother of four who recently fled the city – a claim also made by several other Christian refugees.

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    « Reply #49 on: September 17, 2012, 04:59:34 PM »
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    Everyone knows, it seems, that Syria has a deadly arsenal of chemical weapons, but almost no one is curious about how Syria managed to obtain these weapons. Back in 2003, you might recall that after American troops failed to locate Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the mainstream media had a field day.


    Specifically, the al Assad regime is suspected of having VX, sarin, tabun and mustard gas, and it purportedly can produce a few hundred tons of chemical agents per year. Several major storage and production sites are believed to be located near Homs, Hama, Eastern Damascus, Aleppo, Latakia and Palmyra. An additional 45-50 smaller facilities are believed to be spread out across the country.  What makes you think they cannot make it themselves?



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    « Reply #50 on: September 17, 2012, 05:34:19 PM »
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    Why do people give me thumbs down just for pointing out that Russia aided and abetted Saddam in shuffling his stockpile of WMD into Syria and that they continue to assist Syria in their aquisition of the same?  


    I did not thumb you down, but your wrong.  Syria has been producing Chemical WMD for quite some time. Docuмentation of this dates goes as far back then the 90s

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/syria/cw.htm

    You should always be worry of arguments starting by some kind of mystery such has, "why no one asks x".  It's usually a license for bullshit.   I'm not saying it's your making, but you seemed to have fallen for it.

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    « Reply #51 on: September 17, 2012, 05:41:20 PM »
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    Hoping Assad will win out, but.......


    Yeah, what's not to love!  He's totally awesome ain't he Belloc.

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    « Reply #52 on: September 17, 2012, 07:14:56 PM »
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  • Assad is certainly better than the child-murdering, sodomite-loving pieces of degenerate human excrement that run this country. Saying so doesn't mean one is calling him a holy man.


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    « Reply #53 on: September 18, 2012, 08:55:24 AM »
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    Hoping Assad will win out, but.......


    Yeah, what's not to love!  He's totally awesome ain't he Belloc.


    much better then the radical AL-CIA-da rebels, like in Libya, wanting to establish a radical islamiist nation. Then again, you likely as you have in the past, bought whatever the media states, just like Libya, you likely did not beleive many of us when we were sounding the alarm there, too.

    in the early 80's, his father crushed these radicals and got a thumbs up from Reagan.

    The Assads are not popular as they are a minority religious group


    Christians have flourished under the Assads, not so much in islamist Libya, Iraq,etc......and if Assad loses, Syria too.

    There is at this point no third option......

    Then again, you with fancy words have proven, again, you are a leming and willing to buy into what you are told....so, likely, you think these rebels are democracy loving heroes
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    « Reply #54 on: September 18, 2012, 09:04:35 AM »
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  • BTW-no one said Assad was agreat guy, but its him right now or rebels, Al-CIA-ada......
    Under Assad, Christians are safe to live, practice and serve in Govt, including military and many are high in commercial circles.......how they doing in once Baathist/secular Iraq? not well.........Libya, not doing that great, either.......

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    « Reply #55 on: September 18, 2012, 11:11:23 AM »
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    Then again, you with fancy words have proven, again, you are a leming and willing to buy into what you are told....so, likely, you think these rebels are democracy loving heroes


    You'd fair much better if you stopped guessing what I think and rather, started addressing what I actually say. You suck at guessing what I think.

    I hope for an somewhat orderly fall of Assad, not so much for Syria's sake, but rather for regional consideration.  A fall of Assad is a blow to a fast growing Iran hegemony in the region which is growing increasingly dangerous.  In this change of government something perhaps just as bad will spring (or not) but thus is governance - you manage the intented and unintended consequences. -

    Still Im glad you nuanced your position.

    But that's not the crux of my intervention in this thread.  What I mainly wanted to say was that Syria does not have Saddams WMD.  There was no WMD, that's been made very clear as the case for WMD was based of faulty intelligence (the infamous informant "Curveball" who was in fact chronic liar).   It hurts my brain to read people still searching for weapons that everyone now in 2012 acknowledge did not exist.







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    « Reply #56 on: September 18, 2012, 01:58:42 PM »
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    Then again, you with fancy words have proven, again, you are a leming and willing to buy into what you are told....so, likely, you think these rebels are democracy loving heroes


    You'd fair much better if you stopped guessing what I think and rather, started addressing what I actually say. You suck at guessing what I think.

    I hope for an somewhat orderly fall of Assad, not so much for Syria's sake, but rather for regional consideration.  A fall of Assad is a blow to a fast growing Iran hegemony in the region which is growing increasingly dangerous.  In this change of government something perhaps just as bad will spring (or not) but thus is governance - you manage the intented and unintended consequences. -

    Still Im glad you nuanced your position.

    But that's not the crux of my intervention in this thread.  What I mainly wanted to say was that Syria does not have Saddams WMD.  There was no WMD, that's been made very clear as the case for WMD was based of faulty intelligence (the infamous informant "Curveball" who was in fact chronic liar).   It hurts my brain to read people still searching for weapons that everyone now in 2012 acknowledge did not exist.







     Might it be said then that you desire the hegemony of the Zionist Entity? I'd rather see Persian hegemony any day, if the alternative is the continued domination of the region by filthy blaspheming murdering тαℓмυdic scuм. If you would stop reading the New York Times, or whatever propaganda organ it is that you prefer, & actually read about Persia you would see that Christians are not persecuted in Persia as they are in the wonderful "liberated" American (meaning lap-dog of the Zionist Entity) puppet state of Iraq.

    The few Christians in Persia live in peace, can go to Mass without interference &c., no bombings & mass shootings as in the "liberated" countries; wait there are bombings & shootings of policemen & military officers, scientists &c. in Persia, who perpetrates these crimes? Worthless cowards sent by those who run the Zionist Entity & by their contemptibly subservient little lap-dogs, their nauseating cringing toadies in the Babylon on the Potomac, that's who.

     The Persian тαℓмυdists go about their business in Tehran & elsewhere in Persia without any undue suffering. If the Persian government were what the propagandists of the Zionist Entity say they are, they could easily have rounded up & exterminated their own Christian & тαℓмυdist populations years ago. The rabid beasts that they are portrayed to be (funny how the proverb is proved true every day, the Jєω cries out as he strikes you, they always claim others to be what they are themselves) wouldn't have been able to restrain themselves.

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    « Reply #57 on: September 18, 2012, 05:08:09 PM »
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    Might it be said then that you desire the hegemony of the Zionist Entity? I'd rather see Persian hegemony any day.


    False dilemma, it's not an either/or proposition.

    In fact, this is the second posts in a row that you choose to pose a false alternative which you hate to answer me which in the end, only serve  to get on your soap box and throwup your rhetoric like a drunken sailor.

    No, I don't favor an Isreal hegemony and it's not on my mind either.  Israel cannot project much power outside of it's borders for obvious ethnic and religious reasons.






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    « Reply #58 on: September 18, 2012, 07:18:54 PM »
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    Christians are not persecuted in Persia as they are in the wonderful "liberated" American (meaning lap-dog of the Zionist Entity) puppet state of Iraq.


    Ignorant... since the pull out of American's out of Iraq, the one country that has the most influance on Iraq is Iran!  It undercuts your whole mindless diatrabe.

    Israel holds no sway on Iraq.

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    « Reply #59 on: September 18, 2012, 07:52:28 PM »
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  • In case you hadn't noticed, the Zionist Entity has no need to send its own troops to do its bidding, they've got a giant slobbering attack dog in the form of the U.S. military to do it for them. Speaking of ignorance, you must be quite ignorant of the nature of International Jєωry, they never get their hands dirty if they can possibly avoid it, can you picture Netanyahu going over the top, bayoneted rifle in hand, determined to conquer or die? Just imagining it makes one laugh.

    They're very intelligent & also very cowardly. They tell the great masses in this country, who can't even find their own country on a map, let alone tell the difference between a sunni & a shiite, that big bad swarthy chaps in turbans are going to use them for scimitar practice unless they do what they're told, submit to constant surveillance, being molested if they want to travel by aeroplane &c.

    Also, do you really believe that the Z.O.G. in D.C. no longer controls Iraq? If so, you would also likely have believed the reports in Soviet newspapers that Comrade Stalin's glorious Red Army was dropping bread, not bombs on Helsinki during the Winter War.

    Lastly, the word influence is spelled with an e, not an a, & it's "diatribe", with an i, not an a. Is English your native language old boy? If not it's understandable, the English orthography is rather difficult, if it is, then perhaps it would be best not to lecture others on their ignorance, because they have a distaste for the dung sandwiches served up by the zionist-controlled American, British & continental (pertaining to the continent of Europe, France, Germany &c.) press.