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Offline Belloc

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    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2009, 12:34:01 PM »
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  • Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


    Offline Belloc

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    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2009, 01:19:14 PM »
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  • I dont agree w/all his predictions, nor his map-too many in South would not want to merge either w/Mexico or EU....

    I disagree w/many of your points as well.....respectfully of course......
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    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2009, 02:31:49 PM »
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    on another post, raoul staetd we should not have children as thing are bad and getting worse-that children should not be brought into the world.........also, forget about providing food and guns for family to defend themselves, just pray,trust in God and I guess, die..though trusting in God, but stating we should not have children is sort of contradictory.....


    Raoul ( Michael ) did not state that "we" should not have children.  Raoul stated that Raoul is not having children.  I did not try to say it should be the law for everyone else, just tried to make people think.

    Catholics often say "Trust in God, He will provide," and I fully believe that.  But He doesn't just provide you with generative organs to use mindlessly.  He also provides you with a brain to SEE THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES.  Look around you -- we should have armies of monks and nuns, people who are uncompromised by the attachment to the world that marriage and children bring.  St. Paul himself says that those who are married are in effect compromised.

    The only reason to have a family is to shepherd souls to heaven.  If you feel this is going to be difficult or impossible, it might be worthwhile to pursue another vocation.  If you know that some kind of hideous crash of all civilized society is going to follow soon, and that you are going to have to massacre other people to feed your family, people who are only trying to feed THEIR families -- thus potentially losing your soul and becoming a murderer in the name of self-defense --  maybe it is worthwhile considering the monkish path?   Just a thought.  

    If I had kids, and this crash did happen, I would have to sit and watch my kids starve.  I'd do everything I could for them short of blowing heads off of people.  That to me would increase their chances to get to heaven, as well as my own.  Sorry if this sounds too "hippie" or pacifist, but I think it is not only the toughest but the most moral choice.  It may seem inhuman, but then to many it seems inhuman to ask a woman not to abort a pregnancy that is potentially harmful to her health.  It may seem inhuman to tell the truth about the Church or society and Jєωs and Freemasons and risk not only getting martyred, but getting your family killed.  But to me that is what Catholics are called to do.

    Having a family is a great vocation, don't get me wrong.  And I'm not saying that this crash is necessarily going to happen.  Like you I think this prediction is bogus and probably just scaremongering.  

    But again, I was just trying to make people think.  We need more monks and nuns, people who are fearless and with nothing to lose.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 01, 2009, 02:55:06 PM »
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  • Does anyone think that America will break up along the lines that he has predicted? It seems probable.




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    « Reply #5 on: September 01, 2009, 03:12:21 PM »
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    Does anyone think that America will break up along the lines that he has predicted? It seems probable.


     Ithink yes-but disagree along his lines of break......Deep South on its own, upper South likely wold stay in Union of sorts, possible some New England would go independant (I support the Vermont Sesssion movement). California may want to go independant, but is already subsumed into Mexico anyway......can see a violent outbreak there.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 03:21:25 PM »
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  • Addendum:

    It bothers me that those who don't feel their vocation is to have a family are accused of a lack of faith.  If that is true, then you'd have to accuse the celibate saints of a lack of faith.

    But you're right in a way.  If I were to have a family now, I'd certainly do so with gusto.  Irish Catholics during the Potato famine had large families and DID have to watch their children starve.

    It's not the bodies, but the souls of our children ( and ourselves ) that we should be concerned with at all times.  If we are, if we keep that foremost in our minds, we will be safe, even if we have to make gruelling decisions.

    But to the Catholics who are ALL about large families at ALL times, answer me this:  Why did Christ say "And woe to them that are with child, and that give suck in those days!"  Even going so far as to say there would be WRATH upon the people.  Is this not proof that there will be a time when it is better not to have children?  Or is He just commiserating with those who have children?

    Certainly there is reason to believe we are in those times, or nearly enough.  I don't know about you, but my alarm bells are ringing.  When I walk outside it looks like hell on earth is going to explode into full bloom at any second.  Everything is hyper-acclerated like some kind of gyro whirring out of control.  

    I feel my vocation is not that of a father, and I perhaps see things a little too intensely for my own good, making it better for me to be a simple, celibate penitent.  But if, while praying, I felt that God was telling me to be a father, I would try to obey -- if I didn't, I would suffer hellfire.  Right now I think He's telling me to get a job or at least volunteer somewhere, and stop posting so much, but so far I continue to rebel, making excuses...

    P.S  It is definitely probable that America will break up, and many prophecies of the beginning of the end of the world talk about the fall of republics around the world, and cινιℓ ωαrs.  Not to mention I think there is clear reference in the Apocalypse to the fallen Babylon -- what do you think that could be?  

    I won't get into the predictions of just HOW America will break apart because to be honest I don't care and I'm more interested in the cινιℓ ωαrs that would take place in Europe, as those may be Catholic in nature.  Here they would be libertarian/constitutional, carried out by the kind of people who think the dollar has some kind of integrity the "Amero" does not... The people who are called, in conspiracy circles, "truthers" and rather crudely, "patriotards."  The real truth is, however, that this country has never been "free," unless to the word "free"  you add the suffix "-masonic."  And some more truth is that for a war to be just, it must be Catholic in nature.
    This country is not Catholic in nature and is unlikely to become so, though we can pray.

    But I personally think the final fall will be around 2030, and that it will not be just an economic collapse but that perhaps most of the continent will sink under the ocean, a la Atlantis.  This may seem far-fetched, but I have heard whisperings that various Illuminati types are planning to set off the fault lines under the ocean floor through bombs, that something of that nature -- controlled genocide -- is being prepared.  The devastation wreaked by tsunamis on the coasts would upset the infrastructure, supply and transport, and lead to plagues throughout the country.  Though this evil is brought by man, God allows it, and works His punishment through these evil men that we allow to gain power through our various sins and betrayals of His Church ( such as the separation of Church and state ).  

    This is NOT prophecy, just a "feeling."  Admittedly, I go back and forth with these feelings.  All I know is, it's gonna get ugly.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 03:25:14 PM »
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  • Some creepy signs have gone up in L.A.



    Laughably, the "evacuation route" is merely an arrow pointing away from the beach.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 01:57:38 AM »
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  • With respect to children, I take the same approach as Raoul: I believe this is NOT a wise time to be having children.  Even many native peoples around the world have been exercising complete restraint on this point, as they are from traditions that say 2012 is going to be too rough.  IMO, cannibalism will enter the picture in many "civilized" places, and babies, being defenseless, will be among the first to make their way onto the menu.  The horrors of Jerusalem circa 70 AD will be seen all over the world.

    If you have children, do your best and trust in God.  For my part, I shall refrain for the present.

    I think the US, as we know them, will definitely be destroyed within 3 years.  IMO, predicting that the intensification of the early stages, which have already begun, will start in two months is entirely reasonable.  That market is BEGGING to take a substantial plunge in one day - 3000 points or so, IMO.  October is usually the month, so look out.

    It could all be wrapped up by 2012-ish, or it could be that things just go full-on bonkers by then, reaching resolution by 2017.  Of course, it could be something else entirely.

    IMO, war/chaos/etc will begin soon, and things will begin to settle down within approximately 6-9 months after 12.21.12.  No, I cannot prove ANY of this.  Even if I could, I may be dead by morning, so...

    Godspeed.
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    « Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 02:04:00 AM »
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  • Btw, presuming that there IS a resolution of things by 2012/13/17, and it involves a holy Pope and Great Monarch, I believe the Era of Peace (if such involves what I have just mentioned) will last 25 years or so.  Then, the end, properly speaking.

    For all I know, the end, properly speaking, will be upon us in 2012/17 or after 1000 years of peace.  I am just a man struggling to survive, indescribably desolate in many ways at present, in need of the same thing as everyone else: God, His love and His grace.
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    « Reply #10 on: September 02, 2009, 03:54:47 AM »
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    IMO, cannibalism will enter the picture in many "civilized" places, and babies, being defenseless, will be among the first to make their way onto the menu. The horrors of Jerusalem circa 70 AD will be seen all over the world.


    You and I are on the same page.  I think about that all the time -- cannibalism.  As well as people murdering each other to stay alive for one or two more days.  I never put it together with Jerusalem 70 AD but that is all too apt.  

    I once vociferously denied the Great Monarch on this site; now I'm going through an almost ecstatic Great Monarch Is Coming! phase.  I will briefly explain why and then I have to hit the sheets.  My reasoning, most likely specious, is that mankind has to be MORE evil before God will end the world.  There has to be more of an assent of the will to Satan than we get in Vatican II, where many are just confused or undereducated.

    Now imagine that there is the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and this great miracle happens whereby the entire world is restored to Christ and His Church.  THEN imagine that, just a few generations later, people rebel again and start falling into heresy, totally forgetting the fact that they were saved from the bleakest and darkest time in world history.  It would be as if St. Paul, after his miraculous awakening on the Road to Damascus, and after having preached throughout the world and spread the faith, decided to start slicing Christian childrens' throats and drinking their blood.

    Then imagine they accept the Antichrist.  Well obviously at that point there is nothing left of them and even God's mercy, so much vaster than we can comprehend, will not be able to help them.  This is the second fall; and that is worse than the first.  The world itself will commit the sin unto death.  The dog will return to its own vomit.  You see what I'm saying.

    Something else -- it makes some sense to me that a great human king would precede the Divine King.  This great human king, virtuous and saintly and conformed to God's will with near-perfection, for all his feats, ultimately fails to save the world, and his victories end in apostasy.  No human is greater, except the Virgin Mary, yet he STILL fails.  That sets the stage for the Divine King, the one and only victor, to destroy Satan once and for all, a mission He has reserved jealously for Himself.  

    This would also explain why the Great Monarch gets more attention than the Angelic Pastor, who you might assume is more important in the scheme of things.  But the Monarch is a sort of foreshadowing of the Second Coming, as well as a vivid example of the vast gap between human and divine power.  Even the greatest and most favored of humans is as nothing compared to God.

    The lacuna in my scenario is the section between the Great Monarch and the Antichrist.  I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how Satan will worm his way in so soon after the Church is restored.  I almost wish I could live to see it, just to figure out how he accomplishes it.  Okay, not really.  

    Many people think VII is the abomination of desolation but there is no sure way of knowing.  If you read the letters of Athanasius he thought the Arian heresy was the abomination.  What we do know is once the abomination starts, it continues until the "consummation" or end of the world.  So if this is the abomination, why did Mary promise the Triumph of Her Immaculate Heart at Fatima?  This leaves us with only two choices:  ( a ) Fatima is a fake apparition or ( b ) VII is an abomination but not THE abomination.

    I once opted for ( a ) but now tend more towards ( b ).  Many prophecies speak of a triumph of Mary or Marian Age of Peace granted to Mary by Her Son, and that "rings my true bells" as a friend of mine says.  St. Louis de Montfort also said that the end-time saints would have a special devotion to Mary.  The consistent theme in Catholic literature and prophecy is that Mary becomes more and more important in the plan of salvation as time goes by, until she is revealed as Queen of Heaven and nearly equal with God.  Correct me if I'm going over the top but the Holy Spirit over time only seems to promote Mary, never to demote her.  Assumption; Coronation; and the Queen has nearly as much power as the King, though He is the one who grants it to her.  

    Where is America in all of this?  Probably most of it will be underwater.

    P.S. This is all idle speculation.  I like to toss around various scenarios in my head but I am not a prophet.
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    « Reply #11 on: September 02, 2009, 03:59:16 AM »
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  • "The lacuna in my scenario" -- I just have to correct that "my."  

    If I'm wrong, then you can say it's my scenario.  If I'm right, it's His scenario that He saw fit to partly reveal to me.  
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    « Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 04:26:30 AM »
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  • I do not know if you have read the book by Yves DuPont about these things, Raoul, but it is worth a look.

    He posits the idea, with which I agree, that the present problems are like a dress rehearsal for the end, similar in all the details by way of prefiguration.

    IMO, IF there IS a Great Monarch, and he certainly has been prophesied by countless men and women throughout the centuries, his reign will coincide with the Era of Peace.  When that era draws to a close, so will his reign and his life.  [Keep in mind these are just my own musings.]  As the Man of Sin comes to power, in Israel, say, the GM goes to confront him.  At Megiddo, just like the restorer-king Josias in the OT, he receives a mortal wound, expiring on the Mount of Olives.

    The end of the GM's reign coincides with the beginning of the reign of the Man of Sin, whose reign ends with Christ's glorious return.

    Of course, that may all be wildly incorrect, and I may die tonight, but, for what it is or is not worth, that is the picture I have had in my mind for 10 years or so, when I first read about these things.
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    « Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 07:30:16 AM »
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  • Not trying to castigate anyone not having marriage/family, just what I thought was some saying "why have kids when it is end times"..Raoul, gotcha more now with what you are saying....understand you more.

    Dupont book is good, I tend to beleive it.Chastisement is generation or 2, maybe 3, before Man of Sin..... Beleive there will be a GM.
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    « Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 09:12:23 AM »
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  • Here are some prophecies of interest:
    "There shall yet come a violent hurricane.39 Iniquity is at an end, sin shall cease, and before two full moons shall have shone in the month of flowers,40 the rainbow of peace41 shall appear on the earth.
             St. Don Bosco

    the status afflictionis et purgativus or the fifth age of the Church, from Leo X to a strong ruler or grand monarch and a holy pope,
    the status consolationis of the sixth age of the Church, from that holy pope to the birth of Antichrist,
    the status desolationis are the seventh and last age of the Church, from the Birth of Antichrist to the end of the world.
             Ven. Bartholomew Holzhauser