Looks like Obama and NATO is supporting ISIS.

Erdogan Wants to provoke a conflict between Turkey and Russia



According to a popular Turkish blogger this should help him in his election campaign and save him from possible defeat and the end of his political career

Turkey’s President Erdogan is planning to shoot down Russian planes in Syria, to put relations between Russia and Turkey to the brink of war. This should help him in his election campaign and save him from possible defeat and the end of his political career. A Turkish blogger, known under the name Fuat Avni came out with this troubling warning. He has been active for several years, and his denunciations of government’s plans often turn out to be true.

Our sources in Turkey believe that Erdogan out of a well-founded fear of defeat is ready to plunge his country into a state of war hysteria, shooting down Russian planes in the skies of Syria under the pretext that they violated the Turkish airspace.

Erdogan has pushed himself into a corner with his position on Syria. His planes, under the pretext of fighting ISIS are bombing Kurdish villages, causing active resistance of both the Syrian and Turkish Kurds.

“The Turkish people are dissatisfied with Erdogan’s policy on Syria. The presence of masses of armed militants and large costs of supporting refugees had undermined the fragile welfare of the Turks. Many support Russian presence in Syria and ending the nightmare with the militants. They hope that Russia, having received this storm warning, will be able to avoid being drawn into conflict with Turkey, and at the same time will continue the good work on the restoration of the territorial integrity and constitutional order in Syria,” – said the source.

How should we react to this warning? Our sources and Fuat Avni are in opposition to Erdogan. Erdogan is in a really difficult position. He is being pressured by the Americans, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, who watch with horror how created and funded by them armed militias are pushed back from Aleppo under the onslaught of the Syrian army.

EXPERT OPINION

Pavel SHLYKOV, associate professor at the Department of History of Near and Middle East, Institute of Asian and African studies:

“We have too multifaceted cooperation to severe it all”

- Pavel Vyacheslavovich, how real is this scenario?
◦The tensions are rising before the elections, but the target of these statements is domestic audience. And certainly not the Russian business and the elite. At stake is not only the “Turkish stream”, the tourist industry, but other powerful projects – including Turkish projects in Russia. We have too multifaceted cooperation in order to severe it all with some gamble. Foreign policy of Turkey is defined by business interests and Erdogan participated in the creation of this model of foreign policy.

- But Turkey is still a NATO member. So in the case of a hypothetical conflict other NATO members will be forced to join?
◦One thing is rhetoric, another – military conflict. NATO is not eager to go to war with Russia. And it doesn’t support the military adventures of Ankara – enough to recall the Turkish invasion of Northern Cyprus in 1974.

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KR: As time and experience has shown, Russian experts often falsely assume that good business relationship with Russia is the main motivation of other global places.

Posted from Republic Broadcasting Network (rbn.org)

Something is being lost in the translation.  

They should hire a British college graduate to vet the verbiage first before releasing it.

This is the way it come to rbn.org. Posted today by John Statmiller.
It was from a email from a caller from today's show 11/24/15.
I notice that the Turkey elections is past and Erdogan was
reelected and this was before Russian involvement in Syria.
It mentions the name of the blogger suggesting to the Erdogan
government to shoot down a Russian plane in order to gain in
the polls and reelection.
He came from behind in the polls to win reelection.
This is perhaps a google translation and not always perfect.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/11/wwiii-second-shot.html

This site is a lot more readable.  Thanks, Iuvenalis.
copy:

Tuesday, November 24, 2015
WWIII: the second shot
The Paris attacks was the first shot being fired. The downing of a Russian SU-24 by NATO is the second. I have no doubt that the USA will frantically protest that Turkey, not NATO, is responsible, but when Putin responds, the USA will be treaty-bound to defend Turkey. This is why the Founding Fathers warned against "entangling alliances", as they tend to outsource one's diplomatic and wartime decision-making at the very worst possible times.

    A Russian Su-24 fighter has been shot down in Syria, Russian Defense Ministry said, adding the plane hadn’t violated Turkish airspace and was at an altitude of 6,000 meters.

If you haven't read much about the leadup to past world wars, what you should understand is that they never look like anything out of the ordinary at first. However, unlike the previous world wars, this looks like one that will genuinely span the globe, as the jihadists have been permitted to infiltrate every country and nation, from China to Iceland, while China is poised to not only invade Taiwan, but claim the entire South China Sea and spread out across Africa.

About the only place we can expect to escape the global conflict is South America, as La Raza Cósmica is more vicious and more capable than the mujahideen while simultaneously being devoid of any semblance of white guilt or mercy. The jihadists wouldn't last five minutes against the cartels.

As Nicolas Taleb has observed, the one place the immigrants have failed to find any footing in Italy is where the mafias rule.

This doesn't mean that Russia and the USA are going to start shooting at each other immediately, it merely means that another domino has fallen.

UPDATE: All right, this may be more than just another domino falling. I doubt that Putin will fail to respond to this sort of behavior by the Turks:

    Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead the two pilots of a Russian jet downed by Turkish warplanes near the border with Turkey on Tuesday as they descended with parachutes, a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade told reporters.

    "Both of the pilots were retrieved dead. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air," Alpaslan Celik, a deputy commander in a Syrian Turkmen brigade said near the Syrian village of Yamadi as he held what he said was a piece of a pilot's parachute.  

UPDATE II: The news just keeps getting worse. It looks like we know who is supporting ISIS and who is not.

    Russian helicopter SHOT DOWN while searching for downed jet

UPDATE III: Putin's response: "A stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorism."

        “The loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way.”

        “Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey.”

        “Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey.”

        “Today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations ... Instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.”

        “Do they want to make Nato serve ISIS? ... We hope that the international community will find the strength to come together and fight against the common evil.”


UPDATE IV: Yeah, I'll bet Erdogan called an emergency meeting.

    Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has called an emergency security meeting involving his top generals, heads of intelligence, Prime Minister Davutoğlu and other senior ministers.

Labels: war

posted by VD @ 11/24/2015 04:35:00 AM

That is a cowardly low life thing to shoot dead pilots in parachutes.  

This site is a lot more readable.  Thanks, Iuvenalis.

There's very good analysis here, lots of key facts and statements by Putin completely blacked out in the Western Media!!!
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/01/putins-revenge-the-fight-for-the-border/

An article from VT confirms that an another Russian Military Jet was
shot down by the Turks over Syria: The Pilot is missing.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/breaking-isisturkey-advanced-missile-downs-russian-bomber-over-syria/