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Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2019, 06:18:38 PM »
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    Alaric, you give all sedes a bad name with your extremism and hateful anti +ABL comments.
    Note to self. I'm not "sede". And I certainly don't consider myself an extremist, I just like to stick as close to the facts as possible. And definitely not hating on +ABL in any way. The man is a hero in my eyes. I'm just stating a fact, as far as the Holy See was concerned under Canon Law.

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    It's truly ridiculous that you would equate +ABL with Putin or any other schismatic sect.
    What's ridiculous is that you can't. Were not SSPX and ROC in schism with Rome? Just answer me that.

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    Your attitude is not catholic
    What is that supposed to mean? Can you even define the word "catholic"?

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    and your "zeal" for the Faith is corrupted by your unresolved anger over the crisis in the Church.
    I am only one making an observation based on the facts. Correct me if I'm wrong, preferably using logic, reason and the facts. But please, don't waste my time moralizing about my zeal for the faith or anger issues. Lord knows I have plenty of them. but this has nothing to do with either of them.


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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #16 on: April 02, 2019, 08:59:13 PM »
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    What's ridiculous is that you can't. Were not SSPX and ROC in schism with Rome? Just answer me that.
    No, the sspx was never in schism.


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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #17 on: April 04, 2019, 06:24:03 AM »
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  • No, the sspx was never in schism.
    According to whom? You? The SSPX?
    You just can't make up your own rules as we go along here.
    Get back to me with some real facts and not just your opinion.

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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #18 on: April 04, 2019, 08:45:22 AM »
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  • When JPII excommunicated the 4 sspx bishops, he said in his statement that they committed a schismatic ACT.  He never said they were schismatic.  This is the last official public statement on the sspx from any pope.  Therefore, they aren't schismatic.

    If you want to show me where any pope has declared them such, i'll read it.  Please don't post any quotes from liberal bishops or Cardinals or priests as their opinion doesn't matter and the Ecclesia Dei commission has openly said in the past that the sspx isn't in schism.

    Also, if you want to continue this conversation, please start a new thread, as you're way off topic for this one.

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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #19 on: April 13, 2019, 10:05:00 AM »
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    When JPII excommunicated the 4 sspx bishops, he said in his statement that they committed a schismatic ACT.  He never said they were schismatic.  This is the last official public statement on the sspx from any pope.  Therefore, they aren't schismatic.
    So they were excommunicated committing a schismatic act........but their not in schism. Got it. ::)

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    If you want to show me where any pope has declared them such, i'll read it.  Please don't post any quotes from liberal bishops or Cardinals or priests as their opinion doesn't matter and the Ecclesia Dei commission has openly said in the past that the sspx isn't in schism.
    So their in full communion? what about +Williamson?

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    Also, if you want to continue this conversation, please start a new thread, as you're way off topic for this one.
    I'm not the one who brought up "heresy" concerning Putin and the ROC. But. you're right and maybe someday I will.



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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #20 on: April 13, 2019, 10:13:27 AM »
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  • When JPII excommunicated the 4 sspx bishops, he said in his statement that they committed a schismatic ACT.  He never said they were schismatic.  This is the last official public statement on the sspx from any pope.  Therefore, they aren't schismatic.

    If you want to show me where any pope has declared them such, i'll read it.  Please don't post any quotes from liberal bishops or Cardinals or priests as their opinion doesn't matter and the Ecclesia Dei commission has openly said in the past that the sspx isn't in schism.

    Also, if you want to continue this conversation, please start a new thread, as you're way off topic for this one.
    The definition of a schismatic is one who committed an act of schism. 

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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #21 on: April 14, 2019, 06:31:44 PM »
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  • Alaric; Putin, is he a devout catholic for devout Jew?  Jews hide you know.  Bolshevic is majority, meaning Russia is governed by Jews, not Russians.  And it certainly would make sense if Putin is a devout catholic, he would consecrate Russia.  Since they do not do it, Our Lady asked for Pope and bishops.  Our lady knew it would not happen? And if that is the case, was She showing us just how rotten error is and how far it has gone?  I wonder, did Our Lady say: Consecrate Russia for the Jews need conversion.  I don't recall any such words "prayer for the conversion of Jews" coming from Fatima's story. If anyone has please direct me.  Are we so much afraid or ignorant to say "Jews need conversion".

    Fr. Denis Fahey wrote many books about the truth, about the jews.  He was convinced the Catholics are ignorant and afraid to speak. For fear of the "anti-semitism".  If anyone is Semitic the Catholics are, for we pray for conversion of the enemy.

    I kind of wonder about the ignorance part.  Are we ignorant because we may not hear from our Pulpits, the need for prayers for their conversion.  The jews have not changed since the time of Christ, wouldn't you say?  The crucifix is their stumbling block.

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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #22 on: April 15, 2019, 06:12:15 PM »
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    Alaric; Putin, is he a devout catholic for devout Jew?  Jews hide you know.
    If he is, that's news to me. I just don't see anywhere in his appearance, lineage, custom or any actions that would leave me to believe his a member of the tribe. Anything possible and yes, I know jews are masters of deception and camoflouge, but, I just don't see anything leading me to believe the Russian president is a jew in any way. Could I be wrong? Sure. but I highly doubt it. Putin has been very open about his Christian beliefs and devotion to Orthodoxy. Putin has gone as far as vistied the Holy Sepulchre, knelt, crossed himself and kissed before the burial site of Christ, kissed and crossed himslef at the altars and holy icons and took communion. I just don't see any jew any where, no matter how covert they are, much less another head of state these days publicly expressing his dedication to Christ in this way. Putin is very far from a jew.

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    Bolshevic is majority, meaning Russia is governed by Jews, not Russians.
    Russia hasn't been communist in years. the Bolsheviks are long gone. I think you're a little behind the times.

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    And it certainly would make sense if Putin is a devout catholic, he would consecrate Russia.
    He's not a Latin Catholic. Also, is not the pope along with the bishops  supposed to do that? I keep hearing people harping on Putin and the Russians to step up and consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary when Our Lady specifically ordered the pope and the hierarchy carry this out. And they simply refuse to do it. But let's blame Russia.



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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #23 on: April 15, 2019, 06:57:47 PM »
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  • Blame Russia?  Heaven made it simple to save the world from error and it didn't happen.  Who is to blame?  You say who is to blame?  Were we not begged to pray for the conversion of Jews?  And who controls 3/4 of the world?  Jews.  And where is the True Precious Blood of Christ to be found!?  Who wanted the Mass to be thrown out?  Jews.  Who is responsible, is the question, and the answer is we are all responsible for the conversion of the Jews.

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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #24 on: April 15, 2019, 08:10:37 PM »
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    The definition of a schismatic is one who committed an act of schism. 
    Ok, but this would apply to +ABL and the 4 bishops but not to the sspx as a whole.

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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #25 on: April 15, 2019, 08:15:12 PM »
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  • Ok, but this would apply to +ABL and the 4 bishops but not to the sspx as a whole.
    Since they were the leaders of the SSPX, anyone who continued to follow them(i.e the entire SSPX) would be guilty of schism by association. Would you also tell me that Orthodox Christians aren't schismatic, but only the one Ecumenical Patriarch who committed the act itself waaaaay back in 1054?


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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #26 on: April 16, 2019, 04:35:38 AM »
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  • Michael Davies debates E. Michael Jones.

    +Abp. Lefebvre and the four bishops did not commit a schismatic act, they never were in schism, nor were any of the other priests, religious, or faithful that followed them then or that try their best to remain faithful Catholics today by holding fast to that which past down through the centuries. 

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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #27 on: April 16, 2019, 07:28:49 AM »
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  • Michael Davies debates E. Michael Jones.

    +Abp. Lefebvre and the four bishops did not commit a schismatic act, they never were in schism, nor were any of the other priests, religious, or faithful that followed them then or that try their best to remain faithful Catholics today by holding fast to that which past down through the centuries.
    Schism means to separate oneself from Communiom with the Church. +ABL and the Bishops willingly got themselves excommuniated by going ahead with the consecrations. 

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    Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
    « Reply #28 on: April 16, 2019, 08:28:14 AM »
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  • Forlorn, my response to your posts is on the new thread "+Abp Lefebvre and the four bishops".

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    « Reply #29 on: April 16, 2019, 04:28:02 PM »
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  • Schism is one who separates themselves from Christ's Church,  anti-pope.  He also separated himself from his flock.  And he also scattered the flock.

     

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