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Title: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on March 11, 2019, 08:25:04 PM
Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In ‘Toughest Way Possible’
By Tsvetana Paraskova

March 11, 2019 "Information Clearing House (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/)" Nicolas Maduro’s staunchest international ally—Russia—reaffirmed last week its full support to the Socialist leader’s regime and his efforts to prevent what Moscow sees as interference in Venezuela’s domestic affairs.

At the same time, Russia, which vowed to defend its oil assets (https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russia-Vows-To-Defend-Its-Venezuelan-Oil-Assets.html) in Venezuela as early as the political crisis began in January, sees risks to its investments in the Latin American country and pledges to react “in the toughest way” possible within international law if those investments are threatened, Russia’s Ambassador to Venezuela, Vladimir Zaemsky, told Russian government-run newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta in an interview (https://rg.ru/2019/03/04/vladimir-zaemskij-ugroza-voennoj-intervencii-v-venesuelu-realna.html) published this week.

Russia is the staunchest supporter and ally of Maduro’s "regime" in the political power struggle in the Latin American country sitting on top of the world’s largest oil reserves, while the US and many European nations have recognized Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the legitimate interim president. Russia has stood by Maduro for years and has poured billions of US dollars in Venezuela in the form of loans and oil investments. Russia’s state-controlled oil giant Rosneft has extended US$6 billion of loans to Venezuela’s state oil firm PDVSA. As of December 31, 2018, Venezuela still owed Rosneft US$2.3 billion (https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russias-Rosneft-Says-Venezuelas-PDVSA-Still-Owes-It-23B.html).


Rosneft is also said to be helping Venezuela to get the oil products it needs to dilute its heavy crude after the US sanctions choked off American naphtha exports to Venezuela.


There certainly are risks to Russia’s investments in Venezuela, but those risks are associated with Washington’s behavior, rather than with Venezuela’s government, as the case with PDVSA’s US-based refining subsidiary Citgo has shown, ambassador Zaemsky told Rossiyskaya Gazeta (in the interview with a headline ‘Russia is not abandoning its friends’).

All Russian investment projects have been approved by the relevant Venezuelan and international law and therefore, are under their protection, Zaemsky said, and added: 

“If attempts are made to deprive Russian companies of their investments in Venezuela’s economy, Russia will react to this in the toughest way, employing all available means under international law.”  

Referring to Citgo, Zaemsky said that Russia sees in this a US policy of unfair competition, citing another example—“unprecedented US pressure on Europe” over the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project in an attempt to squeeze Russia out of the EU gas market.

Similarly, Washington basically appropriated assets of a large oil refining business, without paying a cent for it and hiding behind tales of its transfer to “the legitimate president Juan Guaidó” [sic], Rossiyskaya Gazeta quoted Zaemsky as saying.

The Russian ambassador to Venezuela also reaffirmed Moscow’s stance that Russian-Venezuelan relations are strategic and the countries continue to strengthen them.

This position was also expressed last week by Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who said (http://www.mid.ru/en_GB/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/3550092) on Friday, after talks with visiting Venezuelan Vice President Delcy Rodriguez, that Moscow supports Maduro and the “measures taken by Nicolas Maduro’s government to prevent further destabilisation.”

Executive Vice President Delcy Rodriguez confirmed what President Nicolas Maduro has said repeatedly: that the Venezuelan leadership is ready for such a dialogue. Of course, it is unfortunate that the opposition has consistently rejected dialogue – upon direct instructions from Washington, as we all know very well,” Lavrov said, as carried by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

On Saturday, in a telephone conversation (http://www.mid.ru/en_GB/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/3551265) with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo regarding Venezuela, Lavrov “condemned the threats the US has made toward the country’s lawful leadership, which is an overt interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state and a severe violation of the international law,” the Russian foreign ministry said.

While the global superpowers spat over the handling of the crisis in Venezuela, the Latin American country’s oil industry has been hit hard by the US sanctions against it and its state oil firm PDVSA. Venezuela struggles to find buyers (https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Venezuela-Struggles-To-Find-Buyers-For-Its-Oil-After-US-Sanctions.html) for its oil, after the sanctions essentially ban exports to what was its largest market until recently, the US, as well as imports from the US of naphtha, which the country uses to dilute its thick heavy oil to make it flow.

Russia’s Rosneft is reportedly coming to the rescue (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-04/maduro-gets-oil-lifeline-from-russia-after-u-s-sanctions-hit) with shipments of naphtha to Venezuela to help it make its heavy oil suitable for processing and exports. Two Rosneft tankers will be sending 1 million barrels of heavy naphtha to Venezuela in the next few weeks, Bloomberg reported on Tuesday, citing shipping reports and a source with knowledge of the plans. These naphtha shipments could bring some immediate relief, but they would be lower than Venezuela’s typical monthly heavy naphtha imports of 2-3 million barrels, according to Bloomberg.

Tsvetana is a writer for the U.S.-based Divergente LLC consulting firm with over a decade of experience writing for news outlets such as iNVEZZ and SeeNews.

This article was originally published by "Oil Price (https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/South-America/Russia-To-Defend-Its-Venezuela-Oil-Assets-In-Toughest-Way-Possible.html)" -  

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Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: LongHaired CountryBoy on March 11, 2019, 10:40:47 PM
There's an Orthodox (schismatic) "prophesy" that says Russia will open a can of utter whoop ass on the U.S. in a global war after the U.S. starts it, and the U.S. will never regain its status as a military or economic superpower. I can actually see that happening and it would be justified.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: King Wenceslas on March 25, 2019, 12:45:09 PM
The random walk to war with Russia:


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Russian Troops, Aid Arrive In Venezuela After Delivering Red Line Warning To Trump

Just days after a high-level meeting in Rome this week, (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-23/russia-gives-us-red-line-venezuela) during which Russia reiterated a grave warning to the US – Moscow will not tolerate American military intervention to topple the Venezuelan government with whom it is allied - it appears Russia is taking no chances with its South American ally.

After the Rome meeting, Ryabkov said bluntly:

One of those warnings delivered by Ryabkov is understood to have been that no American military intervention in Venezuela will be tolerated by Moscow.
For his part, Abrams sounded as if he had emerged from the meeting after having been given a severe reprimand.

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“No, we did not come to a meeting of minds, but I think the talks were positive in the sense that both sides emerged with a better understanding of the other’s views,” he told reporters.

“A better understanding of the other’s views,”
means that the American side was given a red line to back off.


And now, according to journalist Javier I. Mayorca, Colonel General Vasily Tonkoshkurov, chief of the Main Staff of the Ground Forces - First Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Land Forces of Russia, arrived in Venezuela.

The Russian general arrived in the Bolivarian Republic accompanied by 99 servicemen. On board the An-124 delivered 35 tons of cargo.

The Russian General was reportedly received by the Director General of the Office of Integration and International Affairs, Vide Admiral Marianny Mata Quijada, and by the Director of FAES (Venezuela's Special Forces Unit), Edgar Colina Reyes.

This is enough. The Monroe Doctrine should be implemented.

Putin is a despot.

Globalism, mass migration, nationalism, moral decay, economic decay, nations preparing for war. All the ingredients for the Fourth Turning. 2020's will very interesting in a murderous way.

Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 25, 2019, 01:05:23 PM
The US-led NATO army has been getting closer and closer to Russia for the last 3 decades.  Then the US deep state overturns Ukraine and installs a pro-west leader.  Ukraine is right in the backyard of Russia.  The goal of the US/Europe deep state has been to start WW3 with Russia - this is their "end game" by which to reduce the global population by 2/3rds and install the anti-christ in the aftermath.

Putin has been avoiding war and being tolerant of the West's/Nato's provocations; I don't think he's a despot.  We protect Israel WAY more than Russia protects Venezuela.  Aren't we despotic, by the same definition?  The deep state has been "poking the bear" for decades.  At some point the bear will swipe, and we'll deserve the pain.  The only hope is that Trump and Putin can work together and compromise.  You'll notice that when Trump started critizing Nato, then Europe starting talking of building their own army (i.e. to continue the plan to aggrivate russia into WW3, even if Trump/America would back off this plan).  At some point, Russia will have no choice but to attack Europe since they won't leave them alone.  I just hope that the US is spared, if Trump and Putin are friends.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: JezusDeKoning on March 25, 2019, 03:45:01 PM
Both Russia and America should be working together to ensure that there's a peaceful, democratic transfer of power over there. That is the only solution.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: King Wenceslas on March 26, 2019, 03:48:26 PM
Both Russia and America should be working together to ensure that there's a peaceful, democratic transfer of power over there. That is the only solution.

The chances for that is nil. Until Russia is converted there will be no chance for peace, heaven has stated that as fact. No turning back now.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: alaric on March 30, 2019, 06:29:25 AM
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This is enough. The Monroe Doctrine should be implemented.
Yea, sure. Maybe the U.S. should stop being so hypocritical and stay on their own side of the globe for a change.

However, Zakharova has the perfect answer for this nonsense;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkfr7rzSle8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkfr7rzSle8)


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Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: alaric on March 30, 2019, 06:48:32 AM
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Putin is a despot.
As opposed to what? What is your definition of a despot? A leader defending his nation against an international zionist interloper and aggressor like the jew nited states? Russia has been constantly under attack since Putin gave the boot to the jewish oligarchs not too long ago and they haven't let up since. And they won't until one of two things happen, either he's toppled or taken out, physically if necessary. But this would create a backlash from the Russians like the world has never seen. The West better pray that nothing happens to Putin or any effective regime change over there.

I believe Putin is the best statesmen and national leader with any moral character in the FREE world today.

Not only that, he's an open and devout Christian. Show me another major world player who even comes close to that these days. Certainly not that idiot and jewish sock puppet we have in our white house today;

(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59ee3a33da02bc967ffbfaf1/59ee71de8fd4d2e548086fa0/5ac2caef575d1f44459931c2/1522787054707/Vladimir_Putin_visited_the_St_Nilus_Stolobensky_Monastery_%282018-01-19%29_08.jpg?format=1000w)

Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: trad123 on March 30, 2019, 07:47:02 PM
Not only that, he's an open and devout Christian.

A heretic is not a Christian.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: Meg on March 31, 2019, 08:40:48 AM
Russia is the staunchest supporter and ally of Maduro’s "regime" in the political power struggle in the Latin American country sitting on top of the world’s largest oil reserves, while the US and many European nations have recognized Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the legitimate interim president. Russia has stood by Maduro for years and has poured billions of US dollars in Venezuela in the form of loans and oil investments. Russia’s state-controlled oil giant Rosneft has extended US$6 billion of loans to Venezuela’s state oil firm PDVSA. As of December 31, 2018, Venezuela still owed Rosneft US$2.3 billion (https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Russias-Rosneft-Says-Venezuelas-PDVSA-Still-Owes-It-23B.html).

If Russia has really poured billions of US dollars in Venezuela in the form of loans and oil investments, then those loans and investments will have to be paid back, presumably. It's not as if those loans have helped the actual citizens of Venezuela, many of whom are at the point of starvation.

I don't know much about this situation in Venezuela, but I know someone here in the US who grew up in Venezuela, and she says that nearly all of the country's oil assets were sold off to foreign entities decades ago, after the Socialists took over. It seems that Russia owns a lot of Venezuela's oil assets, and it's unlikely that they are going to give them up.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: alaric on March 31, 2019, 12:56:40 PM
A heretic is not a Christian.
Then neither is a catholic pope and "saint".........
(https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/JP2_Pictures_with_Muslims/kissingkoran.jpg)
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: alaric on March 31, 2019, 01:05:12 PM
A heretic is not a Christian.
He's not a heretic, he's a Christian in schism with the papacy. 
Kind of like this man;
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Marcel_Lefebvre_1981b.jpg/250px-Marcel_Lefebvre_1981b.jpg)
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: songbird on March 31, 2019, 08:05:48 PM
Alaric:  Have Putin prove himself, as a God fearing man.  Have him consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and The Sacred Heart, publicly.  This is what all leaders have been begged to do and our families.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 31, 2019, 08:11:28 PM

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He's not a heretic, he's a Christian in schism with the papacy. 
Kind of like this man;
Alaric, you give all sedes a bad name with your extremism and hateful anti +ABL comments.  It's truly ridiculous that you would equate +ABL with Putin or any other schismatic sect.  Your attitude is not catholic and your "zeal" for the Faith is corrupted by your unresolved anger over the crisis in the Church.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: alaric on April 02, 2019, 05:59:32 PM
Alaric:  Have Putin prove himself, as a God fearing man.  Have him consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and The Sacred Heart, publicly.  This is what all leaders have been begged to do and our families.
Really? Not even catholic popes  along with the bishops will do that. And even after the Lady of Fatima requested as such.
Why in the world would you demand a head of state of such a demonstration, when even the so-called vicar of Christ himself will not  even acknowledge this order by Christ's own Mother?
At least Putin openly displays his devotion to the Church (orthodox), that's more than I can say than 90% of world leaders today. Putin has more than proven himself to be a "God-fearing" man.
And a much better track record than  the popes of the last hundred years. At least when it comes to this Fatima issue.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: alaric on April 02, 2019, 06:18:38 PM
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Alaric, you give all sedes a bad name with your extremism and hateful anti +ABL comments.
Note to self. I'm not "sede". And I certainly don't consider myself an extremist, I just like to stick as close to the facts as possible. And definitely not hating on +ABL in any way. The man is a hero in my eyes. I'm just stating a fact, as far as the Holy See was concerned under Canon Law.

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It's truly ridiculous that you would equate +ABL with Putin or any other schismatic sect.
What's ridiculous is that you can't. Were not SSPX and ROC in schism with Rome? Just answer me that.

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Your attitude is not catholic
What is that supposed to mean? Can you even define the word "catholic"?

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and your "zeal" for the Faith is corrupted by your unresolved anger over the crisis in the Church.
I am only one making an observation based on the facts. Correct me if I'm wrong, preferably using logic, reason and the facts. But please, don't waste my time moralizing about my zeal for the faith or anger issues. Lord knows I have plenty of them. but this has nothing to do with either of them.

Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: Pax Vobis on April 02, 2019, 08:59:13 PM

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What's ridiculous is that you can't. Were not SSPX and ROC in schism with Rome? Just answer me that.
No, the sspx was never in schism.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: alaric on April 04, 2019, 06:24:03 AM
No, the sspx was never in schism.
According to whom? You? The SSPX?
You just can't make up your own rules as we go along here.
Get back to me with some real facts and not just your opinion.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: Pax Vobis on April 04, 2019, 08:45:22 AM
When JPII excommunicated the 4 sspx bishops, he said in his statement that they committed a schismatic ACT.  He never said they were schismatic.  This is the last official public statement on the sspx from any pope.  Therefore, they aren't schismatic.

If you want to show me where any pope has declared them such, i'll read it.  Please don't post any quotes from liberal bishops or Cardinals or priests as their opinion doesn't matter and the Ecclesia Dei commission has openly said in the past that the sspx isn't in schism.

Also, if you want to continue this conversation, please start a new thread, as you're way off topic for this one.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: alaric on April 13, 2019, 10:05:00 AM
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When JPII excommunicated the 4 sspx bishops, he said in his statement that they committed a schismatic ACT.  He never said they were schismatic.  This is the last official public statement on the sspx from any pope.  Therefore, they aren't schismatic.
So they were excommunicated committing a schismatic act........but their not in schism. Got it. ::)

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If you want to show me where any pope has declared them such, i'll read it.  Please don't post any quotes from liberal bishops or Cardinals or priests as their opinion doesn't matter and the Ecclesia Dei commission has openly said in the past that the sspx isn't in schism.
So their in full communion? what about +Williamson?

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Also, if you want to continue this conversation, please start a new thread, as you're way off topic for this one.
I'm not the one who brought up "heresy" concerning Putin and the ROC. But. you're right and maybe someday I will.

Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: forlorn on April 13, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
When JPII excommunicated the 4 sspx bishops, he said in his statement that they committed a schismatic ACT.  He never said they were schismatic.  This is the last official public statement on the sspx from any pope.  Therefore, they aren't schismatic.

If you want to show me where any pope has declared them such, i'll read it.  Please don't post any quotes from liberal bishops or Cardinals or priests as their opinion doesn't matter and the Ecclesia Dei commission has openly said in the past that the sspx isn't in schism.

Also, if you want to continue this conversation, please start a new thread, as you're way off topic for this one.
The definition of a schismatic is one who committed an act of schism. 
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: songbird on April 14, 2019, 06:31:44 PM
Alaric; Putin, is he a devout catholic for devout Jew?  Jews hide you know.  Bolshevic is majority, meaning Russia is governed by Jews, not Russians.  And it certainly would make sense if Putin is a devout catholic, he would consecrate Russia.  Since they do not do it, Our Lady asked for Pope and bishops.  Our lady knew it would not happen? And if that is the case, was She showing us just how rotten error is and how far it has gone?  I wonder, did Our Lady say: Consecrate Russia for the Jews need conversion.  I don't recall any such words "prayer for the conversion of Jews" coming from Fatima's story. If anyone has please direct me.  Are we so much afraid or ignorant to say "Jews need conversion".

Fr. Denis Fahey wrote many books about the truth, about the jews.  He was convinced the Catholics are ignorant and afraid to speak. For fear of the "anti-semitism".  If anyone is Semitic the Catholics are, for we pray for conversion of the enemy.

I kind of wonder about the ignorance part.  Are we ignorant because we may not hear from our Pulpits, the need for prayers for their conversion.  The jews have not changed since the time of Christ, wouldn't you say?  The crucifix is their stumbling block.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: alaric on April 15, 2019, 06:12:15 PM
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Alaric; Putin, is he a devout catholic for devout Jew?  Jews hide you know.
If he is, that's news to me. I just don't see anywhere in his appearance, lineage, custom or any actions that would leave me to believe his a member of the tribe. Anything possible and yes, I know jews are masters of deception and camoflouge, but, I just don't see anything leading me to believe the Russian president is a jew in any way. Could I be wrong? Sure. but I highly doubt it. Putin has been very open about his Christian beliefs and devotion to Orthodoxy. Putin has gone as far as vistied the Holy Sepulchre, knelt, crossed himself and kissed before the burial site of Christ, kissed and crossed himslef at the altars and holy icons and took communion. I just don't see any jew any where, no matter how covert they are, much less another head of state these days publicly expressing his dedication to Christ in this way. Putin is very far from a jew.

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Bolshevic is majority, meaning Russia is governed by Jews, not Russians.
Russia hasn't been communist in years. the Bolsheviks are long gone. I think you're a little behind the times.

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And it certainly would make sense if Putin is a devout catholic, he would consecrate Russia.
He's not a Latin Catholic. Also, is not the pope along with the bishops  supposed to do that? I keep hearing people harping on Putin and the Russians to step up and consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary when Our Lady specifically ordered the pope and the hierarchy carry this out. And they simply refuse to do it. But let's blame Russia.

Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: songbird on April 15, 2019, 06:57:47 PM
Blame Russia?  Heaven made it simple to save the world from error and it didn't happen.  Who is to blame?  You say who is to blame?  Were we not begged to pray for the conversion of Jews?  And who controls 3/4 of the world?  Jews.  And where is the True Precious Blood of Christ to be found!?  Who wanted the Mass to be thrown out?  Jews.  Who is responsible, is the question, and the answer is we are all responsible for the conversion of the Jews.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: Pax Vobis on April 15, 2019, 08:10:37 PM

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The definition of a schismatic is one who committed an act of schism. 
Ok, but this would apply to +ABL and the 4 bishops but not to the sspx as a whole.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: forlorn on April 15, 2019, 08:15:12 PM
Ok, but this would apply to +ABL and the 4 bishops but not to the sspx as a whole.
Since they were the leaders of the SSPX, anyone who continued to follow them(i.e the entire SSPX) would be guilty of schism by association. Would you also tell me that Orthodox Christians aren't schismatic, but only the one Ecumenical Patriarch who committed the act itself waaaaay back in 1054?
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: mcollier on April 16, 2019, 04:35:38 AM
https://youtu.be/jK0h5qiui_w (https://youtu.be/jK0h5qiui_w)

Michael Davies debates E. Michael Jones.

+Abp. Lefebvre and the four bishops did not commit a schismatic act, they never were in schism, nor were any of the other priests, religious, or faithful that followed them then or that try their best to remain faithful Catholics today by holding fast to that which past down through the centuries. 
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: forlorn on April 16, 2019, 07:28:49 AM
https://youtu.be/jK0h5qiui_w (https://youtu.be/jK0h5qiui_w)

Michael Davies debates E. Michael Jones.

+Abp. Lefebvre and the four bishops did not commit a schismatic act, they never were in schism, nor were any of the other priests, religious, or faithful that followed them then or that try their best to remain faithful Catholics today by holding fast to that which past down through the centuries.
Schism means to separate oneself from Communiom with the Church. +ABL and the Bishops willingly got themselves excommuniated by going ahead with the consecrations. 
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: Pax Vobis on April 16, 2019, 08:28:14 AM
Forlorn, my response to your posts is on the new thread "+Abp Lefebvre and the four bishops".
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: songbird on April 16, 2019, 04:28:02 PM
Schism is one who separates themselves from Christ's Church,  anti-pope.  He also separated himself from his flock.  And he also scattered the flock.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: Your Friend Colin on April 16, 2019, 05:25:49 PM
Schism means to separate oneself from Communiom with the Church. +ABL and the Bishops willingly got themselves excommuniated by going ahead with the consecrations.
Yes, +ABL separated himself from heretics. We should have no desire to be in communion with people who don't possess the Catholic Faith. He separated himself from the Conciliar heirarchy, not the Catholic Church.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: forlorn on April 16, 2019, 06:03:35 PM
Yes, +ABL separated himself from heretics. We should have no desire to be in communion with people who don't possess the Catholic Faith. He separated himself from the Conciliar heirarchy, not the Catholic Church.
But to one who believes the Conciliar hierarchy is the valid hierarchy, that's a problem. Good luck trying to explain that to Xavier though. At least the other sedeplenists have some sort of explanation to try and reconcile the seeming contradiction there, but Xavier not only accepts Francis as Pope, but he also accepts Vatican 2 and the validity of the NO. He has no explanation, and believe you me he's been asked many times, for why he continues to go to Masses said by Priests with no canonical status when he recognises the NO rite as valid. He just gives some line about how the NO grants less graces despite being valid, which is itself a borderline heresy even if you ignore his act of schism.
Title: Re: Russia To Defend Its Venezuela Oil Assets In 'Toughest Way Possible'
Post by: Your Friend Colin on April 16, 2019, 06:16:11 PM
But to one who believes the Conciliar hierarchy is the valid hierarchy, that's a problem. Good luck trying to explain that to Xavier though. At least the other sedeplenists have some sort of explanation to try and reconcile the seeming contradiction there, but Xavier not only accepts Francis as Pope, but he also accepts Vatican 2 and the validity of the NO. He has no explanation, and believe you me he's been asked many times, for why he continues to go to Masses said by Priests with no canonical status when he recognises the NO rite as valid. He just gives some line about how the NO grants less graces despite being valid, which is itself a borderline heresy even if you ignore his act of schism.
That's where it gets complicated (conciliar hierarchy). I believe they hold their offices materially. But then again, I have zero theological training. I desire to keep the Catholic Faith in order to be saved, and adhering to V2 heterodoxy and heteropraxy jeopardizes that. 
I'm new here so I don't know all details behind Xavier. Is he an SSPX seminary? 
If he accepts V2 novelties as legitimate doctrine and the New Mass as legal and licit, why in the world does he support the Society? I think you would be correct in saying it is an act of schism to accept Vatican 2 and the New Mass as legitimate acts of the Church, but at the same time resisting them by adhering to a group who rejects them. Cognitive dissonance.