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Offline Ladislaus

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Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
« on: October 31, 2022, 05:46:11 PM »
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  • https://www.bitchute.com/video/cOOKIWx0uM4I/

    Liz Truss messaged Anthony Blinken one minute after the pipeline blew up with "It's done" ... before anyone else in the world knew about it.

    ... as if there was any doubt (except for among the propagandists here)

    Her phone getting hacked is probably a large part of the reason she's no longer the PM.


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    Re: Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
    « Reply #1 on: October 31, 2022, 09:39:13 PM »
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  • Incredible. You suggest that Golitsyn could have been a double agent, but the stage performer in this video is unquestionably legit. You should put more effort into your Kremlin propaganda.

    Funny that the same claim comes from Kim Dotcom, another credible source? (link)

    Meanwhile, in real news:

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    Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for Russian foreign ministry, said Moscow will seek reaction from the U.N. Security Council saying on social media Moscow wanted to draw attention to "a series of terrorist attacks committed against the Russian Federation in the Black and Baltic Seas, including the involvement of Britain in them".
    Source: Reuters (link)


    Let's hope their source of intel is someone other than Kim Dotcom. There are other sources that Liz Truss was hacked (DailyMail - enter at own risk), but what has been provided is far from proof of anything. If it really was a team of Russian hackers, we may never get to see the evidence ourselves, but don't let that keep you from wild speculation in favor of Russia.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
    « Reply #2 on: November 01, 2022, 01:02:17 AM »
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  • Incredible. You suggest that Golitsyn could have been a double agent, but the stage performer in this video is unquestionably legit. You should put more effort into your Kremlin propaganda.

    I've looked it up and is confirmed by actual sources (this guy is just presenting the information, and is even corroborated through official investigations by the Brits into her phone getting hacked.

    Your attempt to pin this on Russia when they stood nothing to gain (zero cui bono) is absolutely pathetic.  Biden promised to take it out, there were NATO planes circling right over the area of the damage precisely at the time this happened, and the Polish Defense Minister publicly "thanked" the US.

    Your attempt to pin it on Russia is one of the most pathetic snivelling Globohomo shill operations that I've witnessed (even among secular folks).  

    Mod edit:
    Lad, that's going too far. Just post the video or something, and say "this is who he's defending". No need to make random accusations.

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    Re: Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
    « Reply #3 on: November 01, 2022, 05:59:28 AM »
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  • There are only unproven allegations here and they have been continually morphing since the event. Your confirmation bias has no effect on those unaffected by the same propaganda.


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    Re: Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
    « Reply #4 on: November 01, 2022, 02:37:30 PM »
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  • I've looked it up and is confirmed by actual sources ...
    Btw, post your sources. The gratuitous claim you built your vile insinuation on is based on nothing but hot air. You should be banned from the forum for being so disgusting, but instead you get two upvotes and keep your premier status. Sad!



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    Re: Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
    « Reply #6 on: November 03, 2022, 10:06:17 AM »
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  • Btw, post your sources. The gratuitous claim you built your vile insinuation on is based on nothing but hot air. You should be banned from the forum for being so disgusting, but instead you get two upvotes and keep your premier status. Sad!

    I should be banned for making disgusting vile insinuations ... but it's OK for you to make stuff up, such as that Shia LaBeouf's conversion is fake, etc. ... talking about no evidence.  In fact, you made up out of thin air your theory that Putin / Kremlin had sabotaged their own pipeline ... with absolutely zero evidence, based entirely on your irrational hatred of Putin and Russia.

    BBC reported shortly before this text message was interecepted that Truss's phone had been hacked.  US military plane surveillance showed US planes (and no other air traffice) circling over the area where the explosion took place for a signficant period of time right when the explosion happened.  Biden had made assurances that Nordstream would be taken out (I believe it was in March).

    There are serveral pieces of evidence that US / NATO did it, and 0 that Putin / Kremlin did it, but your hatred of Putin and Russia cause you to present your garbage as fact and anyone presenting actual evidence to the contrary are making "disgusting vile insinuations" for which they "should be banned".

    :laugh1:

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    Re: Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
    « Reply #7 on: November 03, 2022, 10:18:46 AM »
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  • There's also simple logic.  Try it sometime.

    Putin / Kremlin could have pressured / blackmailed Europe and Germany simply by shutting down the gas flow.  Now, if they blow up the pipeline, where's their leverage?  At that point, they can't resume the flow even if they wanted to.  CUI BONO?  Who benefits?

    Germany was starting to get cold feet about sanctions due to the economic impact and was about to go back to the table with Russia.  Russia just took its whole leverage against them right off the table by blowing up the pipeline?

    Former Polish Foreign Minister tweeted out a "Thank you, USA" after the pipeline was blown up.
    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/polish-eu-lawmaker-deletes-thank-you-usa-over-nord-stream-tw

    Biden promised last September (March was incorrect) to take out Nordstream if Russia were to invade:
    https://rmx.news/poland/thank-you-usa-outrage-after-former-polish-defense-minister-claims-us-destroyed-nord-stream-pipelines/

    Come on, man.  Your hatred of Putin has blinded you to logic.



    But shills will keep shilling.


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    Re: Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
    « Reply #8 on: November 03, 2022, 10:22:09 AM »
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  • Your evidence that Putin did it --


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    Re: Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
    « Reply #9 on: November 03, 2022, 03:48:06 PM »
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  • I should be banned for making disgusting vile insinuations ...
    Are you completely shameless?

    ... but it's OK for you to make stuff up, such as that Shia LaBeouf's conversion is fake, etc. ... talking about no evidence.  In fact, you made up out of thin air your theory that Putin / Kremlin had sabotaged their own pipeline ... with absolutely zero evidence, based entirely on your irrational hatred of Putin and Russia.
    Based on your own twisted interpretations, but keep on peddling these lies for all to see.

    BBC reported shortly before this text message was interecepted that Truss's phone had been hacked.  US military plane surveillance showed US planes (and no other air traffice) circling over the area where the explosion took place for a signficant period of time right when the explosion happened.  Biden had made assurances that Nordstream would be taken out (I believe it was in March).
    Does this sound good to you? There were also claims of helicopters and Navy ships, so which is it? It's doubtful that any of the three could have accurately hit the pipeline, but the alt-media only told you what you wanted to hear. I explained this in a past post, by the way. Do you suffer from the same condition as Biden, or is it just a selective memory? The alt media has repeated the insinuation about Biden---and though I don't support the man---it is smearing him to assume a correlation between the two events, because sanctions were placed on Russia in connection to his remarks.

    There are serveral pieces of evidence that US / NATO did it, and 0 that Putin / Kremlin did it, but your hatred of Putin and Russia cause you to present your garbage as fact and anyone presenting actual evidence to the contrary are making "disgusting vile insinuations" for which they "should be banned".

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    Ok, first thing, you should know what the "disgusting vile insinuation" you made was, which earned you a reprimand from Matthew. That was not evidence to the contrary of anything, but an attack on my character. Again, do you suffer from dementia or choose to remember only what serves as a rhetorical weapon?

    Second, you should stop spreading lies that I have some kind of personal hatred for Putin and Russia. You know you are wrong and should stop doing it. The real issue is Marxism and the damage that these people are inflicting and plan to inflict on the whole world. People who don't know what they are talking about who support Russia are (unwitting) accomplices to their evil.

    Third, people like you and alaric should be banned for repeatedly posting filth against other posters when it suits your "argument." You don't appear to have the slightest remorse for it.

    There's also simple logic.  Try it sometime.
    You continually resort to fallacies to push your preferred worldview.

    Putin / Kremlin could have pressured / blackmailed Europe and Germany simply by shutting down the gas flow.
    The pipelines were already offline before the explosions. Lol! The pressure/blackmail was already on and governments were acting appropriately for the winter. Try facts sometime.

    Now, if they blow up the pipeline, where's their leverage?  At that point, they can't resume the flow even if they wanted to.  CUI BONO?  Who benefits?
    I don't know if the Russians were behind it. I could believe the Ukrainians were behind it to pressure the US to remain in the war, but no one knows. If Russia had real proof we should have seen it already. Instead what we do have is a relentless propaganda campaign meant to bolster the Russian war effort.

    This also falls back to Perestroika. Putin has repeatedly met with Xi before major events, as if he were receiving approval before the next stage. Russia and China have an alliance, despite efforts to downplay it. Neither could take on the US military on their own. China is not backing down, even if Russia is faltering in Ukraine. If Russia weren't interested in the same goals as China and was acting only as a US-persecuted European power, then your scenario might make sense. In the fact of the continued Russian and Chinese mobilizations in light of their alliance, it is extremely doubtful that this is the case.

    Russia and China are preparing. North Korea and Iran are preparing. Communist and non-communist countries around the world are preparing. I think we know why they are preparing. Russia is not just some hapless European country "persecuted" by NATO.

    Germany was starting to get cold feet about sanctions due to the economic impact and was about to go back to the table with Russia.  Russia just took its whole leverage against them right off the table by blowing up the pipeline?
    Germany is split, but the side that desires Russia is full of Marxists and related people who were associated with Eastern Germany. You keep great company. Germany has made a tremendous effort to get its Gas storage up to 95% and succeeded. The average German would rather be free than suffer under Russian hegemony.

    Former Polish Foreign Minister tweeted out a "Thank you, USA" after the pipeline was blown up.
    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/polish-eu-lawmaker-deletes-thank-you-usa-over-nord-stream-tw
    He might have believed the US did it, but he didn't actually reveal anything special.

    Biden promised last September (March was incorrect) to take out Nordstream if Russia were to invade:
    https://rmx.news/poland/thank-you-usa-outrage-after-former-polish-defense-minister-claims-us-destroyed-nord-stream-pipelines/
    It wasn't just me who explained the contrary take, but feel free to wave it around as proof. Actions were already taken before the explosions.

    Come on, man.  Your hatred of Putin has blinded you to logic.

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    But shills will keep shilling.
    What a bad joke. I have repeatedly explained myself, but you just can't understand anything outside of your Russoverse. An honest individual would read my opposition to both sides, but you just can't take any criticism of Russia. Anyone who defends Russia as much as you do would be called a Russian shill most everywhere else on the Internet. Do you have any self awareness? Can a man be so blind to his own biases?

    Your evidence that Putin did it -- ...
    That really bothered you, didn't it? :laugh1:

    It is truly tragic that someone so intelligent spends so much wasted time believing nonsense. You should at least try to conceptualize that your own intellect can be a dangerous weapon. Rather than helping prevent mistakes it has only enabled you to commit more grave errors than could be imagined by the average person. You have stooped so low as to associate with slanderers and spread vile slander against me and others on this forum in order to support your own idiosyncrasies. Your degeneration over the last year in regards to the Russo-Ukrainian war is a warning to us all on the dangers of modern propaganda.

    God help you, I had hoped you would just go away :pray:

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    Re: Proof Great Britain / US / NATO Blew Up Nordstream
    « Reply #10 on: November 03, 2022, 03:58:44 PM »
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  • https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1587466388494499842

    https://twitter.com/braxtonski/status/1587501290178985985

    https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1587787219393282053

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    Good on you for finally posting your sources. That said, Russia has made a lot of claims but not brought forth any proof. If you read the real story I posted above, they might present their evidence (if any) to the UN Security Council. More likely, we will never see proof because they don't have anything to give, because this is best used for propaganda purposes.

    Russia is losing this war (which is not to say they will ultimately "lose"). I know the alt-media propaganda says otherwise, but if Russia were winning why would they need to muster 300K+ men? Why are so many people---including Russians---fleeing AWAY from Russia if Ukraine is a Western nαzι police state? They didn't have nearly the numbers to accomplish their goal, as if they expected to show up and roll over Kyiv like they did with Georgia. It shows that the Russians bungled this whole mess and will continue to bungle, despite your alt-media beliefs to the contrary. Meanwhile, innocent Ukrainians and Russians will continue to die, and you are cheering on their murderers.