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Offline Dawn

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President says attack coming
« on: April 02, 2009, 11:11:51 AM »
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  • http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=90190&sectionid=3510203

    Check out his picture. Really looks like a foreigner there.
    They sent the manliest man in government (Hillary Clinton) to offer an olive branch to Al-Queda. Evedently they are going to take a crap on her branch.


    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    « Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 12:20:42 PM »
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  • Between now and the end of June something will go down.  The mess is TOO BIG, and they have to divert attention somehow.
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    « Reply #2 on: April 02, 2009, 12:50:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dawn
    They sent Hillary Clinton to offer an olive branch to Al-Queda.


    No such thing is happening.  How can you misread an article so badly ? Or was the article posted only to highlight the bad pictures the Iranian press likes to show.

    From the link.

    ...Pakistan and Afghanistan would not be allowed to become a safe haven for al-Qaeda...

    ...Obama further urged Pakistan to demonstrate its commitment to rooting out al-Qaeda...

    ...saying the top goal was to destroy al-Qaeda. "Al Qaeda and its allies are cancer...

     :rolleyes:




    Offline Dawn

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    President says attack coming
    « Reply #3 on: April 02, 2009, 03:33:19 PM »
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  • Clinton offers olive branch to Taliban
    Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:23am EDT
    By Sue Pleming

    THE HAGUE (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday at a U.N. conference on Afghanistan that Taliban members in Afghanistan who abandoned extremism must be granted an "honorable form of reconciliation."

    "We must also support efforts by the government of Afghanistan to separate the extremists of al Qaeda and the Taliban from those who have joined their ranks not out of conviction, but out of desperation," Clinton said at an international conference on Afghanistan in the Hague.

    "This is, in fact, the case for a majority of those fighting with the Taliban," she told delegates from more than 70 countries at the meeting.

    Clinton's comments echo those of U.S. President Barack Obama who said this month that he was open to the idea of reaching out to moderate elements of the Taliban.

    "They should be offered an honorable form of reconciliation and re-integration into a peaceful society, if they are willing to abandon violence, break with al Qaeda, and support the constitution," Clinton said.

    In veiled criticism of Afghanistan's current leaders, Clinton said there needed to be a government that was "legitimate and respected" and there was no room for corruption.

    "Corruption is a cancer -- as dangerous to our long-term success as the Taliban or al Qaeda. A government that cannot deliver for its people is a terrorist's best recruiting tool," Clinton said.

    She urged an "open, free and fair" election in August and announced $40 million in U.S. funding to help the United Nations prepare for the poll, urging others to do the same.

    Clinton was at the conference to give details of the new U.S. war strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which involves a more regional approach to the conflict bringing in neighbors such as Iran.

    The Obama administration has also pledged an additional 21,000 troops to the war effort, including some 4,000 forces to help train Afghanistan's army.

    "The international community must meet this challenge as well," said Clinton, appealing for more international help in stabilizing Afghanistan.

    "We should provide every army and police unit in Afghanistan with an international partner that can help with training and build capacity," she said.

    Clinton said the global effort should ultimately stand up an Afghan army of at least 134,000 and a police force of at least 82,000 by 2011.

    U.S. foe Iran is also attending the conference along with other neighbors and, without mentioning Tehran, Clinton said Afghanistan's problems could not be solved without the help of its neighbors.

    "Trafficking in narcotics, the spread of violent extremism, economic stagnation, water management, electrification, and irrigation are regional challenges that will require regional solutions," she said.

    (Reporting by Sue Pleming; editing by Reed Stevenson)


    Excuse me, but here is my article. The president stating that he thinks an attack is likely was the original one that I posted.
    The Taliban is not open to "dialogue"


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    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2009, 03:35:53 PM »
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  • U.S. reconciliation offer "lunatic": Taliban spokesman
    Wed Apr 1, 2009 5:51pm EDT
    By Sayed Salahuddin

    KABUL (Reuters) - Taliban insurgents reject a U.S. offer of "honorable reconciliation," a top spokesman said on Wednesday, calling it a "lunatic idea" and saying the only way to end the war was to withdraw foreign troops.

    With the Afghan conflict now in its eighth year, NATO-led forces and the Taliban are locked in a bloody stalemate with violence set to rise further this year as more U.S. troops arrive and seek to contain the insurgency ahead of August elections.

    President Barack Obama is redoubling U.S. efforts with more troops, more diplomatic effort and more economic assistance, but he has also already spoken of the need for an "exit strategy."

    If the U.S. plan fails to show results, analysts say, time is on the Taliban side.

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told an international conference on Afghanistan on Tuesday that those members of the Taliban who abandoned extremism must be granted an "honorable form of reconciliation."

    "This matter was also raised in the past," said Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, referring to comments last month by Obama, who spoke of reaching out to moderate Taliban.

    "They have to go and find the moderate Taliban, their leader and speak to them. This is a lunatic idea," Mujahid said by telephone from an unknown location.

    Mujahid is one of two spokesman authorized to speak for the Taliban leadership council, headed by Mullah Mohammad Omar.

    The 21,000 extra U.S. troops ordered by Obama to join the 70,000 foreign soldiers now fighting insurgents in Afghanistan showed the United States wanted the war to continue, Mujahid said, and the Taliban would keep fighting till they left.

    "There is no other way. We want our freedom and respect for our independence," Mujahid said.

    Swiftly ousted by U.S.-led forces in 2001 for harboring al Qaeda after the September 11 attacks, the Taliban regrouped and have steadily spread their attacks from their traditional support base in the south and east to areas closer to the capital.

    STALEMATE

    NATO commanders admit that mainly British, Canadian and Dutch troops are locked in a stalemate in the south, unable to stop insurgent roadside and ѕυιcιdє bomb attacks without the active support of the population, while Taliban militants are incapable of overcoming Western troops in head-on battle.

    Most of the new U.S. troops will be deployed in the south in an effort to break that stalemate, but while U.S. commanders say their forces, mainly in the east, are making progress against the insurgency, violence has risen steadily there too.

    As Obama unveiled his new strategy he focused on the fight against al Qaeda and not allowing Afghanistan to again become a base for Osama bin Laden's group to attack the United States.

    By doing so, Obama effectively changed the measure of success in Afghanistan from the Bush administration's goal of also defeating the Taliban and installing Western-style democracy.

    Despite the Taliban's harsh rhetoric against foreign troops, the Islamist movement says it does not need al Qaeda support and has also toned down its criticism of the Afghan government.

    The shifting stances offer a glimpse of what a possible peace deal may entail: Taliban repudiation of al Qaeda in return for a pledge to withdraw foreign troops.

    But while moderate former Taliban officials have been involved in Saudi-sponsored talks to explore ways of opening dialogue with the insurgents, the Taliban are unlikely to engage in negotiations as long as they feel they are winning the war.

    Strong indigenous security forces are a key to success in counter-insurgency, U.S. military doctrine states, and Obama said his new strategy would increase efforts to train Afghan forces and bring the Afghan army and police up to strength by 2011.

    That date also coincides with the time by which, diplomats say, the Obama administration is likely to want to see results in Afghanistan -- a year before the next U.S. presidential election.

    The Taliban meanwhile, do not have to win the war, analysts say. All they have to do is survive and wait for their opponents to lose the will to keep fighting.

    (Writing by Jon Hemming; Editing by Jerry Norton)


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    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 03:38:54 PM »
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  • You waste your time trying to find ways to call us wrong. The facts speak for themselves Comrade. Unless you are on Soma.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 04:13:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dawn
    You waste your time trying to find ways to call us wrong. The facts speak for themselves Comrade. Unless you are on Soma.


    The fact is that you exchange Taliban with Al Qaeda as if they are one and the same.  You are wrong in doing this, but you are right about the fact that it's a waste of time in pointing it out.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 04:34:49 PM »
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  • Yes, I did make a mistake. Point out the difference if you please.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 05:29:10 PM »
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  • Oh boy...

    Kinda hard to point out the differences on a board where the majority are 9/11 deniers so where to start ?

    The minor error you made is corrected and I will gladly leave it at that.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 05:58:34 PM »
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  • Oh boy...
    Zoe-Show 'em the cat! Who's the cat? You the cat! Whoo! Alex...the Lion...aaaaaah!



    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    President says attack coming
    « Reply #10 on: April 02, 2009, 07:14:15 PM »
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    9/11 deniers


    Is that like h0Ɩ0cαųst denial, Van? :wink:  

    In this case I KNOW the buildings came down.  I just don't buy the party line about HOW it happened.  Cheers.
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    « Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 07:32:39 PM »
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    I just don't buy the party line about HOW it happened.  Cheers.


    It's actually more interesting from the likes of you to ear what the difference his between the Taliban and Al Qaeda then it is me.
    I will likely agree with any old Wikipedia search on the matter so there is little to learn from me.

    But to those who think it's something like an "inside job"... why the heck is the U.S. now embroiled in Afghanistan ? I don't follow this alternate reality you live in as closely then I used to.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 02, 2009, 07:47:38 PM »
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  • Never mind. I will explore the difference between Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda and the Taliban myself. What it does boil down to is that they are Muslim, and you are just as dead from one as the other. I will talk to my son who is home on leave from his second tour of Iraq. The Marines seem to think that there is not any difference when they are shooting at you.
    That is all irrelevant to the fact that the Muslims are preparing an attack on US soil. And, that this administration is reaching out to the Muslims who are laughing back.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 02, 2009, 08:11:49 PM »
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    The Marines seem to think that there is not any difference when they are shooting at you.


    Makes no difference in that regards, that is true, but the fact of the matter is that there is not enough troop in Afghanistan to solve this militarily and thus, some settlement will need to be made at some point. It is inevitable.  A settlement with moderate Taliban (an oxymoron) is foreseable. One with Al Qaeda not.  That is in the nutshell the difference.

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    That is all irrelevant to the fact that the Muslims are preparing an attack on US soil. And, that this administration is reaching out to the Muslims who are laughing back.


    They are only now publicly doing so because some ground work has been done prior and that there is some chance for success.  The only one you will ear sneer and laugh back are those that are not interested.

    Furthermore, it's plain bad thinking that you cannot speak to one group on the basis of their religion because another group from the same religion wants to cause you harm.

    A prime exemple is in Irak, where Sunnis have teamed up with the U.S. and contributed greatly to the success of the surge in bringing down the level of violence.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 08:34:21 PM »
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    Why the heck is the U.S. now embroiled in Afghanistan?


    Poppies.  The drug trade.  BIG BUCKS.  Oil pipelines.  Surrounding Iran.
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