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Offline Geremia

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« on: August 30, 2014, 01:57:32 AM »
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  • Ngo Dinh Diem, the first president of South Vietnam and brother of Abp. Thuc, was a true martyr and Catholic statesman.
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    « Reply #1 on: August 30, 2014, 08:31:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: Geremia
    Ngo Dinh Diem, the first president of South Vietnam and brother of Abp. Thuc, was a true martyr and Catholic statesman.


    No, he wasn't. This assertion, which has taken on broken-record status among Trads who either did not live through the period in question or have learned nothing about its history, needs to be dumped down the same toilet with the waste matter branded "JFK was a great Catholic who would have saved the USA and kept us out of the Vietnam War."

    In short, both assertions are damnably false.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 30, 2014, 10:46:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: claudel
    Quote from: Geremia
    Ngo Dinh Diem, the first president of South Vietnam and brother of Abp. Thuc, was a true martyr and Catholic statesman.


    No, he wasn't. This assertion, which has taken on broken-record status among Trads who either did not live through the period in question or have learned nothing about its history, needs to be dumped down the same toilet with the waste matter branded "JFK was a great Catholic who would have saved the USA and kept us out of the Vietnam War."
    JFK was an apostate who publicly denied the social Kingship of Christ in his "my religion will not affect my politics" speech. Diem was unwavering regarding his pro-Catholic legislation.
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    « Reply #3 on: August 30, 2014, 11:26:39 AM »
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  • Unlike JFK, who was essentially an apostate for publicly denying the kingship of Christ in his "my religion will not affect my politics speech," Diem was unwavering regarding his pro-Catholic legislation (passed with the support of his sister-in-law, his laws prohibited contraception, adultery, "night life," divorce, dancing, prostitution, etc.), so much so that Buddhists actually took to violence to defend their false "religion" (the so-called Buddhist crisis). I never knew Diem's Catholic legislation was directly responsible for the diabolic self-immolation of Buddhist "monks," pictures we've all seen.


    Essentially, ++Thuc, archbishop of Hue, Vietnam, was celebrating the 25th anniversary of his episcopal consecration, and Diem permitted Catholics to wave their Papal flags in celebration. Buddhists were celebrating the 2527th birthday of Buddha. Diem prohibited them from flying their flags, according to Decree Number 10, which said that one needs the government's permission to fly religious flags. This sparked the "Buddhist crisis" that eventually led to the CIA-assisted coup to αssαssιnαtҽ Diem and his brother Nhu. They were dressed in priest's vestments, hands tied behind their backs, faces beaten, and stabbed multiple times. Here's Diem's body:


    Also, here he is with vice president Lyndon B. Johnson:
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    « Reply #4 on: August 30, 2014, 05:08:53 PM »
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  • Looking at LBJ, An American President I remember well because I
    lived in Washington, D.C. at the time makes me sick.  From the
    Gulf of Tonkin, a fake attack on a U.S. Destroyer to justify the
    involvement of U.S. Troops in South Vietnam. And the Israeli
    attack on the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967. LBJ was quoted that he
    wanted that ship at the bottom of the Ocean.
    President Diem was αssαssιnαtҽd by orders of JFK and carried
    out by the C.I.A.  
    If I remember correctly, about a week before his assassination
    in Dallas on 11/22/1963.
    What gives the right to our government to carry out the
    assassination of duly elected foreign officials. Start unjust wars
    by fαℓѕє fℓαgs.  And allow a foreign entity  to attacked, kill our
    servicemen and attempt to sink an intelligence gathering ship.
    Blame it on the Egyptians, the new cry for war, if Vietnam was
    not enough would be "Remember the Liberty".
    And anxious to start a war with Egypt by nuking Cairo, that
    would likely involved a show down with the USSR.
    One reason they get away with it, is because of the news media
    that are controlled by the JєωS and their globalist agenda.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 30, 2014, 05:37:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    Looking at LBJ, An American President I remember well because I
    lived in Washington, D.C. at the time makes me sick.  From the
    Gulf of Tonkin, a fake attack on a U.S. Destroyer to justify the
    involvement of U.S. Troops in South Vietnam. And the Israeli
    attack on the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967. LBJ was quoted that he
    wanted that ship at the bottom of the Ocean.
    President Diem was αssαssιnαtҽd by orders of JFK and carried
    out by the C.I.A.
    I heard JFK was disturbed by the assassination, yet he certainly approved of the coup, and coups often do lead to assassinations, whether they were intended or not… But I don't know whether JFK directly ordered Diem's assassination.
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    If I remember correctly, about a week before his assassination
    in Dallas on 11/22/1963.
    Yes, just a few weeks before JFK's.
    Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    What gives the right to our government to carry out the
    assassination of duly elected foreign officials. Start unjust wars
    by fαℓѕє fℓαgs.  And allow a foreign entity  to attacked, kill our
    servicemen and attempt to sink an intelligence gathering ship.
    Blame it on the Egyptians, the new cry for war, if Vietnam was
    not enough would be "Remember the Liberty".
    And anxious to start a war with Egypt by nuking Cairo, that
    would likely involved a show down with the USSR.
    One reason they get away with it, is because of the news media
    that are controlled by the JєωS and their globalist agenda.
    Vietnam was the first war whose brutalities were televised, so it seems the media would've helped stop said agenda.
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    « Reply #6 on: August 30, 2014, 08:33:30 PM »
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  • Now today the mass media as an arm in supporting all the unjust
    wars in the middle east and the Ukraine. Even supporting going to
    war. Now they are so anxious in going to war with Russia.
    Even if the Russians do not win the war because the military
    industrial complex has spent trillions and trillions of dollars in
    new weapon systems yet untested. It has the desired result
    of eliminating 90% of the world's population that is written on
    the Georgia Guide stones.  

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    « Reply #7 on: August 30, 2014, 10:05:40 PM »
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  • edit ---- the reply function has NOT BEEN WORKING------AGAIN  :confused1:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #8 on: August 30, 2014, 11:48:42 PM »
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  • The Tonkin incident was not a FF. The Aug 2 attack Did happen. Even PJ Watson has admitted this although I have never heard A Jones bring it up.  

    JFK was neither pleased by the murder of Diem nor did he order it. He may have caused it though by the decision to pull USA out of VN----- a big mistake.

     :whistleblower:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    « Reply #9 on: August 31, 2014, 12:05:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
    The Tonkin incident was not a FF. The Aug 2 attack Did happen. Even PJ Watson has admitted this although I have never heard A Jones bring it up.  

    JFK was neither pleased by the murder of Diem nor did he order it. He may have caused it though by the decision to pull USA out of VN----- a big mistake.
    Alex Jones has little credibility on this issue, also because he doesn't understand Church-State politics.
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    Interesting factoids:

    1.  Diem was successfully executing the Burma strategy and winning the war.
    2.  Diem didn't want the US involved except for trainers, Green Berets (coordination), and supplies.  
    3.  Diem was winning the war and had shifted to invading North Vietnam.  A few months after his death, one of his commando units was returning from North Vietnam and got chased by a North Vietnamese ship.  This led to the famous Gulf of Tonkin incident.  But note, they were returning from a mission inside North Vietnam.
    4.  Johnson's wife's family owned Brown and Root, which got huge contracts in Vietnam after the US invaded after Diem's death.
    5.  US Catholic support was undermined by the Catholic Worker's newspaper (Dorothy Day).  They protested Diem in New York.  Conveniently a CBS film crew was present and the small protest was displayed prominently on the evening news (a big deal before internet), showing Catholics were now split on Diem.
    (source)
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    « Reply #10 on: August 31, 2014, 12:08:07 AM »
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  • I don't believe that he(JFK) 'certainly approved' of the Coup that removed Diem but he did none the less probably cause it.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #11 on: August 31, 2014, 04:24:29 AM »
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  • The monk public ѕυιcιdєs were nothing but a propaganda ploy not an attempt to practice their religion. He didn't keep the Buddhist from practicing.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 31, 2014, 04:34:51 AM »
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    « Reply #13 on: August 31, 2014, 09:34:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: roscoe
    The Tonkin incident was not a FF. The Aug 2 attack Did happen. Even PJ Watson has admitted this although I have never heard A Jones bring it up.  

    JFK was neither pleased by the murder of Diem nor did he order it. He may have caused it though by the decision to pull USA out of VN----- a big mistake.

     :whistleblower:


    Diem was murdered in 63?

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    « Reply #14 on: August 31, 2014, 03:17:07 PM »
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  • Yes he was......
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