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Online Pax Vobis

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Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2023, 08:49:58 PM »
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    It is not a Catholic perspective to support the enemies of the remnants of Christendom (the Postwar West), the Catholic Church and Catholics around the world threatened by Communism and its anti-Catholic allies.
    I guess you missed the last 30 years of history, where Rome, England, France and (now) the US is also communist (not to mention Canada and the entirety of S. America).  :facepalm:


    Again, you've made the point recently that every major country is controlled by the NWO, yet you treat the West as somehow "less NWO" than the East.

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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #31 on: July 05, 2023, 09:30:17 PM »
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  • As most of you admit, the NWO controls most all major nations...so why do you care which nations' win, if they are all bad?
    This constant pro-West, anti-Russia narrative is a waste of time...except when viewed through a Catholic lens.

    Makes me think many of you have lost the Catholic perspective...
    Then I must support Revolutionary France in the 1790s because of St Jean Vianney and to do otherwise is lacking the Catholic perspective? France was a Catholic nation when God sent St. Joan of Arc, not the seat of one of the most Anti-Catholic powers to exist to date. I don't recall France ever converting back to a Catholic country, though the Faith had a resurgence among the people. If it's potential Catholics vs actual Catholics I will support the actual Catholics (say, for example, Tradition in the US vs Tradition in Russia).

    Put Israel in place of Russia and see if it still makes sense. There is much written about the conversion of the Jєωs in the end, but I wouldn't accuse people of being unable to make distinctions if they oppose support for Israel and the IDF because of it.

    I pray for Russia's conversion, but there's no way of knowing the means it will come about. It could be the result of losing a devastating war, yet I would not claim those who were mistaken as somehow trusting too much in human endeavors to thwart Our Lady.
    If the world is against the Truth, then I am against the World. - St. Athanasius
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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #32 on: July 05, 2023, 10:11:56 PM »
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  • That Iran-Iraq war went on for 8 years. Almost a decan in Earth years and more the stars. Jupiter would've been passed by about 8 signs in that time, Saturn maybe by 2.66 to 3. Just checking on it, Jupiter and Saturn were in Virgo at the start, and Jupiter was in the early cusp of Gemin and Saturn to the last 5 degrees of Sagittarius at the end.

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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #33 on: July 05, 2023, 11:17:38 PM »
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  • I’ve not seen a thread in a long time which exposes such poor critical thinking skills…or outright agenda promoting. And I’m not sure which is worse?  :facepalm:

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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #34 on: July 06, 2023, 12:24:26 AM »
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  • I remind myself as often as others what Mr. Scotus said, that "intelligence cannot create substance". So most of this information we have here is just not going to do any good.


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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #35 on: July 06, 2023, 12:33:27 AM »
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  • Even better: I declare a truce and a moratorium on discussing this topic. It's getting exhausting. We have lives. They're short. Live them and get off the dang internet. I apologize to anyone I was uncharitable to in discussing it.
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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #36 on: July 06, 2023, 10:34:03 AM »
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  • You didn't grasp a single word I said.  You're entrenched in an 8th-grade level "either-or" mentality.  Carry on...

    Nope. You are blinded by ideology.

    I’ve not seen a thread in a long time which exposes such poor critical thinking skills…or outright agenda promoting. And I’m not sure which is worse?  :facepalm:

    False on both counts. For example, I believe Ladislaus has a high IQ (130+), but that doesn't make one immune to ideological subversion. In fact, ideological subversion can be more effective on the middle than the lower and high end. Sometimes I have wondered if he were an agent, but I have met the opposition in real-life and realized it is very possible for ordinary individuals to get it wrong without being agents. One of the most profound aspects of the Communist movement is their ability to capture abilities without realizing what they are pushing is Communism or good for Communism. Ideological subversion.

    Even better: I declare a truce and a moratorium on discussing this topic. It's getting exhausting. We have lives. They're short. Live them and get off the dang internet. I apologize to anyone I was uncharitable to in discussing it.

    Unfortunately the most important current issue is the subject of a nuclear World War III, which seems to always be just around the corner and especially right now. I can soften the rhetoric, but I will respond where necessary.

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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #37 on: July 06, 2023, 10:57:18 AM »
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  • I remind myself as often as others what Mr. Scotus said, that "intelligence cannot create substance". So most of this information we have here is just not going to do any good.

    The only good it can do, IMO, is to show that the U.S. government and its allies often have to have a "Bad Guy" that they heap vilification on through the Jєωιѕн-owned mainstream media outlets, because the U.S. government has an agenda in mind; usually it has to do with money or business interests, or to foster an agenda such as making sure that the homo agenda is promoted and accepted everywhere. And if it isn't, there's a chance of regime change for that country that doesn't go along with it. It's been this way for a LONG time. The latest Bad Guy is Putin.

    There will always be a bad guy. And yet some Catholics here believe that we should not be allowed to point this out - that we should only be allowed to show Putin as the latest Bad Guy. We are suspected of being agents of disinfo if we point out anything other than Putin being the Bad Guy. Its rather bizarre, and not at all Catholic.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #38 on: July 06, 2023, 11:01:55 AM »
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    Unfortunately the most important current issue is the subject of a nuclear World War III
    No, it's really not.  It's not even Top 30 on the list...for catholics, that is.

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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #39 on: July 06, 2023, 11:05:24 AM »
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  • The only good it can do, IMO, is to show that the U.S. government and its allies often have to have a "Bad Guy" that they heap vilification on through the Jєωιѕн-owned mainstream media outlets, because the U.S. government has an agenda in mind; usually it has to do with money or business interests, or to foster an agenda such as making sure that the homo agenda is promoted and accepted everywhere. And if it isn't, there's a chance of regime change for that country that doesn't go along with it. It's been this way for a long time. The latest Bad Guy is Putin.

    Your issue is that you don't believe in the global Communist movement. You push the idea that Jews discarded Communism and rule through the United States. Someone who has not suffered from ideological subversion can trace back the histories of Biden and Hillary to Communists. You probably realize that the spread of the "homo agenda" is not because it is sincerely believed by those pushing it, but for the purpose of subversion and demoralization. To what end? The October Revolution on a global scale. Putin and Russia are likely to re-assume the role of the Soviet Union during World War II and "save the world from the nαzιs," but instead of nαzιs it will be the "Globalists" and Germany will be the United States.

    There will always be a bad guy. And yet some Catholics here believe that we should not be allowed to point this out - that we should only be allowed to show Putin as the latest Bad Guy. We are suspected of being agents of disinfo if we point out anything other than Putin being the Bad Guy. Its rather bizarre, and not Catholic.

    This whole paragraph is false. It's just another straw man, a distraction from the reality of the situation. You are swallowing Russian propaganda uncritically and pushing it as if it were unquestioned fact. What is bizarre are Catholics supporting Communists who seek to erase the Catholic Church from the face of the Earth. Indeed, Putin is willingly assuming the role of Bad Guy, but the pro-Russian side has continually asserted that Putin and Russia are genuinely seeking to establish traditional values and oppose the "Globalists" in the West. Nothing could be further from the truth, as the Communist movement based out of Russia are the perpetrators and the ones who subverted the United States in the first place.

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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #40 on: July 06, 2023, 11:10:19 AM »
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  • No, it's really not.  It's not even Top 30 on the list...for catholics, that is.

    That's all you can do- personal attacks, straw men, pettifoggery, whatever kind of distraction necessary. It's obviously important to you, because you post about it constantly. I think your claim about the Top 30 is a lie even for you. We don't see you posting constantly about the spiritual life, the closeness of death, and the necessity of stamping out sin the soul. But rather, we see that you constantly add to your own shame in the next life by relentlessly smearing opponents of Russia by whatever means you can manage.

    Since we've exposed the lie, I can say that yes, in geopolitics and for those of us with families, World War III and destabilization of our countries is one of our top concerns. This could be understood in the proper context for those of good will.


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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #41 on: July 06, 2023, 11:11:00 AM »
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  • Your issue is that you don't believe in the global Communist movement. You push the idea that Jєωs discarded Communism and rule through the United States. Someone who has not suffered from ideological subversion can trace back the histories of Biden and Hillary to Communists. You probably realize that the spread of the "homo agenda" is not because it is sincerely believed by those pushing it, but for the purpose of subversion and demoralization. To what end? The October Revolution on a global scale. Putin and Russia are likely to re-assume the role of the Soviet Union during World War II and "save the world from the nαzιs," but instead of nαzιs it will be the "Globalists" and Germany will be the United States.

    This whole paragraph is false. It's just another straw man, a distraction from the reality of the situation. You are swallowing Russian propaganda uncritically and pushing it as if it were unquestioned fact. What is bizarre are Catholics supporting Communists who seek to erase the Catholic Church from the face of the Earth. Indeed, Putin is willingly assuming the role of Bad Guy, but the pro-Russian side has continually asserted that Putin and Russia are genuinely seeking to establish traditional values and oppose the "Globalists" in the West. Nothing could be further from the truth, as the Communist movement based out of Russia are the perpetrators and the ones who subverted the United States in the first place.

    We've discussed this before. Communism is just one movement that the Elites use to enslave humanity. They aren't stupid enough to actually believe in its tenets.

    You still believe that we trads who do not have the right to question your beliefs. And yet....I've been posting on trad forums for about 20 years. Trads generally do NOT take your POV. You have the minority opinion, and it is not a logical opinion. That's why you get a lot of flack here, even though a few here do agree with you. We are Traditional Catholics, not mindless zombies who go along with the mainstream media. That's something that you refuse to address.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #42 on: July 06, 2023, 04:02:35 PM »
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  • We've discussed this before. Communism is just one movement that the Elites use to enslave humanity. They aren't stupid enough to actually believe in its tenets.

    I have posted this on the board before. Communism is an effective tool for achieving power. This has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

    Let's break down the next part.

    You still believe that we trads who do not have the right to question your beliefs.

    I believe you made a typo here, but the idea is still false. In fact, the pro-Russian faction on the forum is very intolerant of dissenting beliefs. They would prefer that the Russian POV is the default and have stated so repeatedly.

    I've been posting on trad forums for about 20 years. Trads generally do NOT take your POV.

    1.) You can't prove this at all. It's based on your perception of the noisiest members on the board. It is true that Resistance members are more susceptible to Russian propaganda, but there is an understandable reason for it.

    2.) The US population at large does not support Russia or China. The percentage of Catholics who are not Novus Ordo conservatives and who belong to the Traditional Catholic movement are a minority. The number of people who are SSPX Resistance adherents are an even fainter minority still.

    3.) The best that can be said of this statement is that it is wishful thinking and anecdotal. Your next statement really applies better to it than what you believe about me.

    You have the minority opinion, and it is not a logical opinion.

    For the most part, as described above, false. There is a loud brigade that occupies this forum and hounds people in general for dissenting views, especially concerning Russia. In addition to what I said above about the SSPX Resistance in particular, it is more likely that beliefs about Russia and China are more complicated than you would like to believe about what you imagine is your base. Again, you can't prove it, but I leave my concessions above for you to consider.

    As for "it is not a logical opinion." Ridiculous. You state this without any supporting evidence, but the one lacking logic here is you. You disregard history and blame everything on an invisible body of Jews, which I doubt you could successfully identify. Ladislaus has pointed out that modern Jews show division and have differing opinions which lead to conflicts even within Israel. I do believe in the historical Communist conspiracy with Jews behind it, but it does become illogical and nonsensical without the glue of Marxism to hold it together in light of the past century. More conspiracy theorism.

    That's why you get a lot of flack here, even though a few here do agree with you.

    "A few." You don't know how many people agree with me, in whole or in part. A larger part of the readership here does not have an account and an event smaller number of the readership have an account and actively post. The loudest posters make their positions known, but what the readership at large believes is not known. We can expect that they must hold to the positions of Bp. Williamson, or at least recognize him to some degree while disagreeing on some points or belonging to an entirely different position altogether.

    You might also be surprised to know that a sizable number don't follow politics. It's not a solid block of pro-Russia vs anti Russia, but the greater part are apathetic.

    We are Traditional Catholics, not mindless zombies who go along with the mainstream media. That's something that you refuse to address.

    This is pretty funny. You don't represent all Traditional Catholics, even within the SSPX Resistance. Anti-Communism is not associated with the mainstream media, because decades ago they rejected Golitsyn and chose to promote the liberalization of Perestroika as legitimate. You refuse to address that the Democrats have been in bed with Communists and Russia for decades, and with many of their careers started with the help of Communists, yet now we are meant to believe that the Obama about-face on Russia is legitimate. Where is the logic there?

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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #43 on: July 06, 2023, 05:31:23 PM »
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  • We've discussed this before. Communism is just one movement that the Elites use to enslave humanity. They aren't stupid enough to actually believe in its tenets.

    I've actually long suspected that the "Cold War", West vs. East was an experiment by the "elites" (aka Jews) to see which system of control would be more effective, George Orwell 1984 (Communism - East) vs. Aldous Huxley Brave New World (West).  It would appear that the Huxley model in the West has been far more effective longer term than Communism was.  If you oppress people, they resent it and will eventually rebel against it.  But if you convince people that they're free, making their own choices, while dumbing them down, programming them, providing them with hedonistic pleasures, luxury, and entertainment, etc. ... they become happy with their lives, don't want to rebel and upset the apple cart, lose their pleasures, etc. ... and being addicted to television, media, and materialistic pleasures, they are much more easily programmed than by fear and force.

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    Re: Mitch Henderson Analysis on Russia/Ukraine
    « Reply #44 on: July 06, 2023, 05:36:00 PM »
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  • In fact, the pro-Russian faction on the forum is very intolerant of dissenting beliefs.

    No, we're just intolerant of mindless propaganda, falsehoods, inexplicable praise for the corrupted West, and so forth.  Some of what you propose is so absurd that it's no wonder that you're considered a shill.  You show zero objectivity in your analysis.