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Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2023, 06:11:21 PM »
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  • https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/220130-oficialnyj-minsk-posle-peregovorov-s-prezidentom-belorussii-evgenij-prigozhin-ostanovil-dvizhenie-kolonn-chvk-vagner.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp


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    Official Minsk: After negotiations with the President of Belarus, Yevgeny Prigozhin stopped the movement of columns of PMC "Wagner"

    It became known that after a telephone conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin, the leader of the Belarusian state held talks with the curator of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin. Recall that earlier, because of the actions of the Wagner group and its curator, a criminal case was initiated in Russia, providing for responsibility for organizing an armed rebellion.

    The press service of the President of Belarus reports that as a result of many hours of negotiations, it was possible to reach a "solution". It is reported that it was allegedly after negotiations with the Belarusian president that Yevgeny Prigozhin gave the order to stop the advance of the columns, including in the direction of Moscow.

    It is reported that "as a result of the negotiations, they came to the conclusion that the massacre is unacceptable":

    Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted Alexander Lukashenko's proposal to stop the movement of all armed convoys in Russia.

    Measures have been taken to de-escalate tensions.

    The reports say that "there is a variant of an agreement acceptable to the parties on the table, which implies security guarantees for the Wagner fighters and the command of the group."

    In fact, we can talk about an amnesty for the Wagner fighters, whom the PMC command sent to attempt an armed rebellion. Also, apparently, guarantees were given to Prigogine himself.
    The comment section might also be of interest at the link. Very interesting.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #61 on: June 24, 2023, 06:23:53 PM »
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  • Why do they call themselves “Wagnerites?”

    Does it have anything to do with nαzι ideology (ie., Putin is fighting the nαzι forces terrorizing Russian populations in the Donbas, and Wagner was Hitler’s favorite composer).
    Sorry, I just know the theories and it looks like you have some exposure to them yourself. Perhaps there is a Russian source with a more definitive claim, but I haven't seen it. The story that seems reasonable to me is that Dmitry Utkin was their founder, he was a Wagner fan and used it as his codename. It follows naturally that his name and beliefs would figure heavily in the group, which we might compare to the SSPX and St. Pius X.

    I wouldn't take the nαzιsm too seriously, but I know it figures into the anti-Ukrainian rhetoric. Various state actors have their hands dirty with supposed "nαzι" groups. It largely factors into Russian justification for war due to their emphasis on the "Great Patriotic War" and the idea of "Russia saved the world from the nαzιs." As we know, the US did the same thing against Germans with the "Hun" and "barbaric Germany" propaganda for the purpose of exciting Americans to war.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #62 on: June 24, 2023, 08:03:49 PM »
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  • This Duns Scotus, when he gets into pro et contra, questiones et distinctiones, says a creature cannot even create an accident, no matter how bad or stupid it could be. The creature can only participate in disaster and crime it seems. So this Prighozhin is probably in over his head and so are the Russians and the Kremlin m.a.f.i.a.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #63 on: June 25, 2023, 12:46:45 AM »
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  • Ya imagine that Putin will re-think his loyalties?


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #64 on: June 25, 2023, 12:56:32 AM »
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  • "The Jews every single time", and from more than one side. Putin's all Heebie Patrol too and the "coup" seems to have been fake. There's some kind of funny triangulation going on again.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #65 on: June 25, 2023, 01:21:04 AM »
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  • "The Jєωs every single time", and from more than one side. Putin's all Heebie Patrol too and the "coup" seems to have been fake. There's some kind of funny triangulation going on again.

    This tangled web is certainly well within the rubrics of Kabbalism, especially as it approaches the extermination of the "iskra" ("sparks") of "Amalek" (currently, parlance for gentiles) and "Edom" (Western Civilization, such as it is).

    What's next?   The yellow dust of death spread by the Russians across Europe as foreseen by Alois Irimaier?

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #66 on: June 25, 2023, 10:26:05 AM »
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  • Hard to say what actually happened since there's so much chaff being thrown about, but the most likely scenario appears to be that Western intelligence got to Prigozhin and paid him off to stage this coup.  FSB busted a couple terror cells about 2 days prior who had reportedly been planning terror attacks in Moscow to coincide with the Wagner coup attempt, with the hope that it would create enough chaos to allow Prigozhin to come in and take over.

    Wagner's "march" was a curious one, and so was the response of Russia, where the Southern Command "stood down" and let him move toward Moscow.  Russia controlled the airspace, and Wagner has been totally dependent on Russian military for both logistics and air support.  Russia could have wiped them out from the air if they wanted to.

    Interestingly, an "accounting error" led to the disappearance of 6.2 billion dollars just a couple days prior.  FSB searched Prigozhin's quarters and found a fake passport along with over a million dollars in cash.  Clearly, Prigozhin was paid off by Western intelligence.

    Speculation is that Prigozhin took the money, but alerted Putin and they worked out this stage play.  Prigozhin had just met with Putin a few days earlier.  It would also be unlike Putin to simply give immunity to someone guilty of treason.  So either this was all staged or else Putin is planning on sending a gift box to Pirgrozhin with a bit of polonium inside.

    So much spycraft here from both sides, and I doubt we'll ever know the full truth of what took place here.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #67 on: June 25, 2023, 10:33:58 AM »
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  • This tangled web is certainly well within the rubrics of Kabbalism, especially as it approaches the extermination of the "iskra" ("sparks") of "Amalek" (currently, parlance for gentiles) and "Edom" (Western Civilization, such as it is).

    What's next?  The yellow dust of death spread by the Russians across Europe as foreseen by Alois Irimaier?
     

    I do find Irlmaier to be very credible.  According to him, WW3 will be touched off by the assassination of a "great one", perhaps somewhere in the Balkans (or thereabouts, he wasn't sure).  Perhaps a reference to Putin?  I assume that his tentative reference to the Balkans might actually mean somewhere in Czech Republic, since the first thing the Russians do it to lay waste to the city of Prague.  Why would they raze Prague unless Prague had something to do with it.  I personally think we're a few years off from all that happening, my guess is 2029 ... but who knows?

    As for your reference to the yellow dust, it was actually the Western forces that spread the yellow-greenish dust, with the intent of cutting off the Russian spearhead.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #68 on: June 25, 2023, 01:07:33 PM »
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  • Interestingly, an "accounting error" led to the disappearance of 6.2 billion dollars just a couple days prior.  FSB searched Prigozhin's quarters and found a fake passport along with over a million dollars in cash.  Clearly, Prigozhin was paid off by Western intelligence.
    This is some mind-boggling stupid nonsense being passed around without evidence and by the usual suspects, such as Kim Dotcom. Notice how for the Russophile the most outlandish claim is credible so long as it is critical of America and/or NATO in support of their Holy Mother Russia. Consider even billionaires don't have anywhere near a billion in hard cash and it becomes even more ludicrous with Prigozhin's new Belarusian exile.

    If you consider my previous sources, it's clear that Prigozhin's march on Rostov couldn't have been by mistake. Practically no effort was made to stop them and then this farcical peace was drawn up thanks to the aid of Lukashenko in Turkey. With the flight of elites from Russia and Putin's shaky speech, Ladislaus at least got part of it right by writing that we may never know the full story here, and indeed, I believe it is much more interesting than a silly pay-off followed by a flight next door.

    I'm going to go with Nyquist's assessment that this was over the tactical warheads headed to or present in Belarus and supposedly targeting one or more Baltic states while NATO strategic bombers have been moved nearby in retaliation: https://jrnyquist.blog/2023/06/24/the-mutiny-in-russia/

    Expect more details to be revealed and I hope everyone will be open to re-assessing their commitment to false narratives. I'll see if I can pull anything up from Russian sources this week, time permitting.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #69 on: June 25, 2023, 02:42:45 PM »
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  • Jan 6: July in Russia edition.
    One day at a time.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #70 on: June 30, 2023, 09:23:41 AM »
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  • Bump

    This is still ongoing. I noticed the usual suspects have moved on to more inflammatory anti-Western threads. Unfortunately there is not much in the way of reliable information. I will see if I can post some links later for anyone interested, but here are some highlights:


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    - The Kremlin has waffled on punishing those involved in the "coup." A general was identified for punishment, but it was also said that he was only questioned.

    - Wagner marched on the Kremlin to Rostov basically unopposed. The Rostovians welcomed Wagner troops into Rostov completely unopposed and even greeted them like some sort of liberating force. It's thought that the original casualty reports might not even be true, though 15 Russians were said to have been killed.

    - Wagner still has the option of going to Belarus or joining the main Russian army. This "coincidentally" lines up with the transfer of tactical nuclear warheads to Belarus.

    - There is an interesting, but unprovable prediction by a Yuri Felshtinsky that Russia intends to use a "rogue group" like Wagner to launch the nukes at Poland and Lithuania.

    It is thought that this will lead to a peace summit and a way out for Biden by abandoning Ukraine to Russian ambitions. It's farfetched and prone to error, but curiously there is a NATO summit in the time frame of July 11 that he predicted:

    https://www.ap.org/services/live-and-location-services/events/nato-summit


    There's too much more to list here, but feel free to add as this develops.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #71 on: June 30, 2023, 09:50:17 AM »
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  • Yuri Felshtinsky
    Here's a link to a quick version of his statements, starting around the 55:38

    Title: Yuri Felshtinsky – Blowing up Ukraine: The Return of Russian Terror and the Threat of World War III
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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #72 on: June 30, 2023, 11:22:04 AM »
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  • Zelensky's a war criminal.  Even the Chechen commander that came in to replace Wagner was openly marveling about why Zelensky kept sending Ukrainians into the meat grinder, saying that they can't even get past their first line of defense and are just getting wiped out in what are effectively ѕυιcιdє missions.  Yet the Jєω Zelensky continues to murder Ukrainians, refusing all attempts at mediation or peace talks.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #73 on: June 30, 2023, 11:25:20 AM »
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  • I noticed the usual suspects have moved on to more inflammatory anti-Western threads.

    I don't understand your malfunction, as this glorious "West" is no longer the Christendom of days past.  Jews have completely de-Christianized and perverted the entire West.  In fact, the Democrats (Biden et al.) are more Marxist than Putin ever was in in his KGB days.  You've got these ridiculous blinders on.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #74 on: June 30, 2023, 12:03:45 PM »
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  • Zelensky's a war criminal.
    Prigozhin, Putin and many other Russian elites are war criminals and will be arrested if they step outside of Russia's sphere of influence.

    Even the Chechen commander that came in to replace Wagner was openly marveling about why Zelensky kept sending Ukrainians into the meat grinder, saying that they can't even get past their first line of defense and are just getting wiped out in what are effectively ѕυιcιdє missions.  Yet the Jєω Zelensky continues to murder Ukrainians, refusing all attempts at mediation or peace talks.
    Russia and her allies have a history of making these assertions and later being revealed as outright liars or the actual perpetrators. Nothing they say can be taken at face value, and especially not taqiya from Moslems. It is telling that you and other Russophiles are willing to believe Russian "Orthodox," other Greek schismatics and anti-Christian Moslems over the Catholics being butchered in Ukraine.

    Returning to the idea of Zelensky being a "war criminal" for defending Ukraine:

    1. The Ukrainians have insisted on defending Ukraine themselves. It isn't Zelensky who encouraged them to stand up and defend themselves. Zelensky is only getting out in front of the parade and attempting to direct its energy, but the parade has a life of its own.

    2. Someone with basic knowledge of history and a bit of common sense should understand that a hostile foreign nation calling their enemies nαzιs that need to be exterminated couldn't be peaceful liberators who are gently capturing territory and all the while the defenders are really the ones slaughtering their own people. If that were really true, Russia would be advancing and winning the war instead of falling back onto defensive positions while the Ukrainians have a counter offensive. If the Ukrainians were being slaughtered as much as the Russians claim, there would be no Ukraine to fight, but Russia has more bodies to spare.

    Basically, you are a terrible slanderer and purveyor of Russian propaganda. Ukrainians are defending their own territory and Zelensky isn't the murderer, but rather the Russians you laud as heroes. Putin was a murderer before the Russo-Ukrainian war even began. The Ukrainians are justified in defending themselves against the Russian Communist alliance and naive Western Internet pundits like you.