Author Topic: MH17 shot down plane - CERTAINLY a fαℓѕє fℓαg! (Read 7210 times)

Matthew · « **on:** July 17, 2014, 03:51:23 PM »

Notice the plane was flying at 33,000 feet. We all know the significance of the number 33 for Freemasons/Illuminati.

Malaysian flight number 17 was a Boeing 777

Also, this happened on 7/17/2014 (2+1+4 = 7) and they LOVE the number 7.

But most importantly, they're finding Malaysian passports at the scene, even though the plane went down in a huge fireball! Just like 9/11.

And the Ukrainian government already knows what happened, before any investigation was launched. How convenient!

This is going to be used to frame Russia and launch WW3 against them.

While the newly released video report below from DAHBOO77 clearly shows that all kinds of questions are now emerging about the downing of Flight MH-17, this linked story excerpted below from Zero Hedge brings up another pertinent fact that reminds us of our now defunct mainstream media and the criminal US govt on 9/11, the Ukrainian govt knew EXACTLY what happened soon after the crash, prior to any investigation of what REALLY happened.

Adding in the fact that dozens of Malaysian passports were conveniently found at the scene of the crash, we can clearly see an attempted fαℓѕє fℓαg to launch WW3 unfolding. The occult/illuminati connection to this plane crash are laid out in the 2nd video below and are absolutely stunning as the NWO attempts to start WW3 as their grip on power falls apart as the US dollar dies and on the same day TWA Flight 800 was shot down in 1996.

That didn’t take long for the Ukrainian government to know exactly what happened:

*UKRAINE REBELS SHOT DOWN MALAYSIAN PLANE, GERASHCHENKO SAYS; But
*DONETSK SEPARATISTS SAY NOT INVOLVED IN PLANE CRASH: INTERFAX

Curiously, Anton Gerashchenko, advisor to Ukraine ministry of internal affairs, had a prepared explanation for everything that happened half an hour ago, long before Ukraine even announced it would begin a probe into the flight crash: (See screenshot of his post directly below video! Translated, his words tell us who REALLY brought down this plane as another fαℓѕє fℓαg is now clearly unfolding!)

(CNN) -- Early speculation about the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 has centered on the possibility it could have been shot down as it passed over volatile eastern Ukraine.
After all, Ukrainian officials say pro-Russia separatists, or possibly Russia, were behind the shooting down of two Ukrainian aircraft in recent days.
A Ukrainian official also told CNN's Jim Sciutto on Thursday that separatists claimed to have brought down another plane around the same time Flight 17 went missing.
But what could have shot down a commercial airliner traveling at 33,000 feet -- the altitude of the Malaysia flight as recorded by flight tracking site Flightaware.com?
What could have brought down MH17? Secret Service: Terrorists surveyed crash
Shoulder-fired missiles sometimes in the arsenals of rebel and separatists groups would be ruled out, experts said.
"At normal cruising altitude a civilian passenger aircraft would be out of the range of the sort of manned portable air (defense) systems that we have seen proliferate in rebel hands in east Ukraine," IHS Jane's Defence Weekly's Nick de Larrinaga said in an e-mail.
Such shoulder-mounted weapons at best can reach 15,000 feet, said CNN military analyst Rick Francona, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel.
"This would indicate a surface-to-air missile or an air-to-air missile, and I think a surface-to-air missile is probably the best guess right now," he said.
One candidate is the Buk missile system operated by Russian and Ukrainian forces. A Ukrainian Interior Ministry adviser said this system was used to shoot down the airliner.
The missile system, known as the SA-11 among NATO forces, is operated by both Russian and Ukrainian forces, according to retired Brig. Gen. Kevin Ryan, director of the Defense and Intelligence Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University.
And it's more than capable of taking down an airliner flying at that altitude, he said.
Such weapons travel with Russian troops at the division level, Francona said.
"So the Russians on the other side of the Ukrainian border will have all of this weaponry available to them," he said.
Other possibilities include Russian-made S-200 missiles that are operated by the Ukrainian military as well as the Russian S-300 and S-400 missiles. The latter weapons are the Russian equivalent of U.S. Patriot missile defense batteries.
What seems unlikely is that pro-Russia separatists might have gained control of such a sophisticated piece of weaponry and used it to shoot down an airliner, Ryan said.
"It takes a lot of training and a lot of coordination to fire one of these and hit something," he said.
Typically, a surface-to-air battery missile consists of a command post vehicle, a radar vehicle, several self-propelled launchers, loader vehicles and even more vehicles to carry new missiles to the batteries as necessary, according to Dan Wasserbly, Americas editor for IHS Jane's.
Ryan concludes then that if the plane really was shot down, a professional military force -- either on purpose or by accident -- was responsible.
"This is not the kind of weapon a couple of guys are going to pull out of a garage and fire," he said.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2014, 03:59:20 PM »

This is just too weird. Those passports look like they came right out of the package. In case you don’t know, this reminds me of 9/11 when the supposed terrorists passports were found in perfect condition even though they had just been in a plane that had crashed and burned and collapsed the world trade center. Seems unlikely right?

So this just adds to the mystery and circuмstances of this event. I’m sure more will follow, stay tuned.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/1fytpEF6-EQ[/youtube]

Matthew · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2014, 04:27:26 PM »

6 Reasons To Question the Official Story of the Malaysian Flight Over Ukraine
Thursday, July 17, 2014 13:17

With the recent shooting down of a Malaysian Boeing 777 over Ukraine, the Western media is aflame with fingerpointing at Russia and Ukrainian separatists. However, while NATO and its media mouthpieces attempt to rekindle the Cold War and ignite a confrontation with Russia, there exists a number of fundamental questions surrounding the events that have taken place in Eastern Ukraine.
Although not a detailed list, below are six reasons why one should question the official story of the Malaysian flight shot down over Ukraine.

1.) The Ukrainian separatists do not have the military hardware capable of shooting down an airplane at the height at which the Malaysian Boeing 777 was flying.
Ukrainian separatists are equipped with shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles which are capable of bringing down an airplane. This much is true. However, the systems believed to be possessed by the separatists are those such as the Igla missile system, which is incapable of hitting planes at the altitudes at which the Malaysian flight was flying. 33,000 feet is simply too high an altitude to be reached with the shoulder-fired missile delivery systems with which the Ukrainian separatists are currently outfitted.

There is no evidence to suggest that the separatists possess the BUK missile systems. At the time of the writing, this writer is not aware of any reports suggesting that separatists commandeered BUK missile launching systems from the Kiev fascist government forces; the only way they could have acquired them unless given the BUK by Russia, which itself is highly unlikely given Russian strategic concerns.

2.) The Kiev forces do have the BUK missile launching system.
While separatist forces are not known to possess missile systems as advanced as the BUK system, the Kiev forces most certainly do.
The BUK system, which requires transportation and mounting on a tracked vehicle or large truck, is not likely to be in the hands of rebels surviving on Russian small arms and other basic forms of military and tactical aid. BUK is much more the type of system that would be property of a national government.
If the Malaysian plane was shot down using the BUK system, it is the Kiev military forces that should immediately be investigated.

3.) Kiev moved its BUK system to the Donetsk area the day before
Reports emerging from Russian news agencies like ITAR-TASS suggest that the Kiev military moved its BUK missile systems into the area surrounding Donetsk on Wednesday, one day before the Malaysian flight was shot down allegedly using that very missile launching system.
The fact that the type of missiles allegedly used to shoot down the Malaysian flight were not only possessed by the Ukrainian military but moved to the very region and area where the shootdown occurred implicates the Kiev forces vastly more than it does the Russians or the Ukrainian separatists.

4.) The questions surrounding why the Malaysian flight was flying over the area to begin with.
As reported by The Atlantic, the Federal Aviation Administration placed an order prohibiting “American pilots, airlines, charter carriers, and everyone else over whom the FAA has direct jurisdiction, from flying over parts of Ukraine” nearly three months ago.
This flight prohibition clearly demonstrates that aviation authorities fully understood that this particular flight path was over a dangerous area. So why was the Malaysian flight flying over this area to begin with?

5.) The timing of the event.
The shooting down of the Malaysian flight conveniently comes only a day after claims by the Ukrainian military that Russia shot down a Ukrainian jet fighter over Ukrainian territory.
It also comes only days after the Western media seized on reports suggesting that the Russian government was considering targeted strikes inside Ukraine in order to protect the Ukrainian people, ethnic Russians, and Russian interests.
Lastly, it comes only hours after the United States issues a statement announcing yet another round of sanctions against Russia.

6.) ANOTHER Malaysian 777.
The fact that the flight shot down over Ukraine is the same type of flight that went missing over the Indian ocean only months before is a highly questionable coincidence. Such a coincidence is almost too big to be believed.

Given the track record of the United States, NATO, and governments in general throughout history, one must at least wonder whether or not the recent shootdown of the Malaysian flight over Ukraine was not simply a fαℓѕє fℓαg designed to drum up national fervor and a new Cold War ultimately leading to a confrontation with Russia.

It is important for the Western public and the rest of the world to become more streetwise regarding incidents such as the Malaysian flight and that they immediately cease to accept an entirely discredited government and media’s explanations as truth.

s2srea · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2014, 05:05:21 PM »

:detective:

Interesting.... then, consdier what's happening in Israel right now too, the increase in forces sent into Gaza. Consider the "Islamic State" aka, ISIS/ISIL... Very precarious....

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2014, 05:07:04 PM »

Malaysian Plane Missile Strike – 100% fαℓѕє fℓαg Attack, Intended To αssαssιnαtҽ Putin
Truth Frequency Radio
By Sheree Geo
Jul 17, 2014

Vladimir Putin, President of Russia, was flying an eerily-similar plane flying an extremely-similar path when a missile struck it. We now know that Ukraine has pulled this kind of crap before, and that they immediately – and I mean, within 30 minutes, had a statement drafted on how it all went down: That Russia and/or Russian separatists carried out the missile strike to inflame tensions even further in the area, as well as kill people from other countries, as well….which there is evidence it was Ukraine that carried it out, so a fαℓѕє fℓαg attack just makes more sense.

That’s why I’m so glad we have people like Kev Baker to tell us what’s really going on with this ongoing situation. My take on this is: Kiev decided to play dirty ball for some reason and shot down a passenger airplane carrying almost 300 civilians from Amsterdam to Kuala Lampur, and they were also cooperating with another airline that was predominantly Dutch, so they’re thinking that there may be Anglo-Saxons, and not just Asians onboard. Which would mean a gold mine for BBC, FOX News, and CNN in terms of shock and awe value to garner ratings for their networks. I can only imagine the political crisis this is going to set off.

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2014, 05:09:21 PM »

It also helps to know that Putin is neck-deep in the recent BRICS project to create an alternative world bank to oppose the US Dollar.

"Defend the US Petrodollar Hegemony" wars have been started for much less than this. Saddam Hussein just wanted to sell oil from ONE COUNTRY outside of the petrodollar system and we bombed Iraq back to the stone age in response.

They say Putin is a good chess player.

Binechi · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2014, 05:44:03 PM »

This looks like it was a way of getting rid of the Flight 370 plane and possible its passengers . Why would anyone fly over a "No Fly zone", unless for and explicit mission. The Good thing is , the last I heard was the Russian Seperatist s have the black boxes and they were sent to Russia.

This flight shows that it was "Canceled" out of Amsterdam". More to follow

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Frances · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2014, 06:28:21 PM »

:dancing-banana:
fαℓѕє fℓαg or not, why another Malaysian plane? This one gets shot down; the last vanished into thin air?
IMHO, this and the invasion of Israeli troops into Gaza--are these the answers to Francis' prayers for peace to which the SSPX said we (laity) should have joined ourselves?
As goes the Church, so goes the world.

Binechi · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2014, 06:59:13 PM »

same plane... 2+2=4

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2014, 08:13:48 PM »

No question this was a fαℓѕє fℓαg.

Check this out also:

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2014, 08:16:04 PM »

And it also conveniently gives news cycle to the Israelis as they go in to genocide the Palestinians.

Matthew, didn't you receive some warning about some events in the near future?

PG · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2014, 09:12:09 PM »

This is definitely a distraction from gaza. And, after looking at the buk missile system, if it was used, I think that we would already have video proof of it. It leaves a trail behind it that could have been captured on film by some civilian. It is like a rocket launch, it remains in the air for a while.

Matthew · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2014, 11:58:54 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

And it also conveniently gives news cycle to the Israelis as they go in to genocide the Palestinians.

Matthew, didn't you receive some warning about some events in the near future?

Me personally? I see a zeitgeist of everything coming to a head, and everything is coming together into a perfect storm, but other than that...

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** July 18, 2014, 12:04:57 AM »

Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 Downed Over Warzone Ukraine. Who Was Behind It? Cui Bono?
Thursday, July 17, 2014 17:18

Tony Cartalucci / Global Research

Flying over warzone Ukraine, The probable and Convenient Happens

At no juncture during the Ukrainian crisis could the downing of Malaysian Boeing 777 flight MH17 have been more convenient for NATO and its proxy regime in Kiev.

Kiev’s forces were being picked apart in eastern Ukraine with several units encircled and destroyed. In the west of the country, dissent was growing by Ukrainians unwilling to march off to fight in the east. NATO’s attempts to bait Russia into moving into Ukrainian territory and shift global opinion against Moscow had repeatedly failed.

(Image: Yet another Malaysia Boeing 777 is lost under extraordinary circuмstances this year.)

The final card to be played by the US was another round of sanctions that almost immediately was ridiculed as ineffective and impotent. Even US corporate-financier interests condemned the latest round of sanctions claiming they were “unilateral” in nature and thus limited US enterprise from interacting with Russia while leaving European competitors free to move into the void. An effective US policy of confronting, containing, and undermining Russia would require multilateral sanctions with almost universal support – but the impetus for such sweeping sanctions did not exist – until now.

The US FAA Declared Ukrainian Airspace Off-Limits 3 Months Ago

Indeed, the stars have aligned for NATO. While the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) declared Ukrainian airspace off limits to all aircraft under its jurisdiction, it appears other airlines continued flying over what has been a warzone for months. The Atlantic in a report titled, “The FAA’s Notice Prohibiting Airline Flights Over Ukraine,” stated clearly that:

Did aviation authorities know that this was a dangerous area?
Yes, they most certainly did. Nearly three months ago, on the “Special Rules” section of its site, the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration put out an order prohibiting American pilots, airlines, charter carriers, and everyone else over whom the FAA has direct jurisdiction, from flying over parts of Ukraine.

For months fighters in eastern Ukraine have been downing Ukrainian military helicopters, warplanes, and even a military transport aircraft – all using various formsof man-portable anti-air missiles - all of which are incapable of downing the Malaysian 777 which was flying at approximately 33,000 feet – well above the effective range of man-portable air defense systems.

The system cited as responsible for the downing of flight MH17, was the sophisticated Buk radar guided, tracked-vehicle mounted, anti-aircraft missile system. The New York Daily News reported in an article titled, “Malaysia Airlines plane feared shot down in Ukraine near Russian border,” that:

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s Interior Minister, said on Facebook that the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher, reported Interfax, a Ukranian news agency.

It is not clear if fighters in eastern Ukraine obtained any Buk systems – and if they did, it is unclear whether they had the ability to maintain and operate them.

If they did have any Buk systems, they would be few. Kiev claims that the systems were passed along by Russia – apparently denying that any of their own systems had gone missing. Unfortunately, even if Russia was arming fighters in eastern Ukraine, it would not be with Buk systems that would be traced directly back to Moscow during their first use regardless of what they fired at.

Cui Bono?

Russia’s strongest card thus far has been its restraint and NATO’s inability to implicate it in the chaos NATO itself started by backing armed Neo-nαzιs during the “Euromaidan” of late 2013-early 2014. Russia surely would not throw that card away to pass along weapon systems to fighters that were already successfully downing Ukrainian military aircraft with man-portable missiles.

Russia and the fighters operating in eastern Ukraine have nothing to gain by downing a civilian airliner, but absolutely everything to lose – thus pointing the finger in another direction – that of NATO and their proxy regime in Kiev. That the downed aircraft is yet another Malaysian Boeing 777 – the second one this year to be lost under extraordinary circuмstances – has serendipitously gained maximum attention for propagandists across the West. They have the world’s full and undivided attention with which to pin the blame on Russia and anti-Kiev fighters in eastern Ukraine.

The impetus necessary to unite Europe and other Western allies behind NATO and the US for a more direct intervention in Ukraine where the West is currently floundering is now consuming headlines around the world. If the downing of MH17 was not a case of tragic misidentification, then answering the first question of any investigation, cui bono – or to whose benefit – is answered resoundingly with, “NATO.”

poche · « **Reply #14 on:** July 18, 2014, 03:04:54 AM »

Russian President Vladimir Putin opened a meeting with top economic advisers late Thursday with comments on the crash of a Malaysian airliner in Ukraine. The text of his remarks, as taken from the Kremlin website and translated by The Associated Press:

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Dear colleagues!

You know that a terrible event occurred today in the sky over Ukraine, an awful tragedy -- a civilian plane was killed, 285 people, according to preliminary information, were killed.

On behalf of the Russian leadership and the Russian government, we express condolences to the bereaved families, the governments of those countries whose nationals were on that plane. I ask you to honor their memory.

(A moment of silence)

In this regard, I want to note that this tragedy would not have happened if there were peace on this land, if the military actions had not been renewed in southeast Ukraine. And, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility for this awful tragedy.

I have already given instructions to the military departments to provide all necessary assistance in the investigation of this crime. And I also ask the government of the Russian Federation through the available civilian agencies that have the capability to do everything for a thorough investigation of this event. We will do everything -- everything that depends on us, anyway -- in order that the objective picture of what happened is part of the public domain here, in Ukraine and in the rest of the world. This is an absolutely unacceptable thing, and no one has the right to let this pass without the appropriate conclusions and without all of us having objective information about the incident.

But we have gathered with you for another reason. I would like to talk to you about the socio-economic situation in the country. We also have many other issues of the current character. Let's talk about them.

http://news.yahoo.com/putins-statement-ukraine-plane-crash-222104216.html