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Offline Ladislaus

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Meanwhile in Russia ...
« on: July 05, 2020, 08:03:25 PM »
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  • We are witnessing the preparations for the conversion of Russia.  This cathedral will become a great Catholic treasure at the Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart.

    As the West becomes more and more sinful and decadent, Putin is trying to promote traditional values and morality.

    In early July, the U.S. embassy flew a rainbow flag as a commentary on Putin's anti-sodomite legislation.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/07/03/putin-mocks-us-embassy-rainbow-flag-a70782



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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #1 on: July 05, 2020, 08:06:53 PM »
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  • Putin 2020


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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #2 on: July 05, 2020, 08:13:09 PM »
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  • Meanwhile, this is what the U.S. is trying to promote in Russia.  Where is the great leader Trump?  He should have immediately recalled the sodomite ambassador who pulled this stunt.  Oh, wait, Trump is pro-sodomite.

    [Warning:  some disturbing images of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs]
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/07/01/russians-celebrate-lgbt-pride-in-front-of-us-embassys-rainbow-flag-a70748

    Offline RomanCatholic1953

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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #3 on: July 05, 2020, 09:07:54 PM »
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  • President Trump told them not to do it. His directive was blatantly ignored and disobeyed.
    This is what the gαys do when they get power. They bring on God's Judgment.

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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #4 on: July 05, 2020, 10:16:59 PM »
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  • President Trump told them not to do it. His directive was blatantly ignored and disobeyed.
    This is what the gαys do when they get power. They bring on God's Judgment.

    An American ambassador serves at the pleasure of the president. An ambassador who is dismissed has no right of appeal of any sort, whether to Congress or the courts or even the New York Times.

    Thus, any claim that Trump could do nothing but endure this ambassador's disobedience is utterly false. If the ambassador still has his/her/its job, that's what Trump wants.


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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #5 on: July 05, 2020, 11:42:40 PM »
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  • Lad, don't be too quick to praise Russia. That church you linked came replete with a hammer and sickle under the dome and an image of the BVM placing Stalin and the Red Army under her mantle. It's been all over the internet the last couple.of months. Its outrageous.
    "You must train harder than the enemy who is trying to kill you. You will get all the rest you need in the grave."- Leon Degrelle

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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #6 on: July 06, 2020, 02:13:18 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson on Russia
    An Extract:

    Indeed. “Where there is a will, there is a way,” says the proverb. And the Council of Trent quotes St Augustine to the effect that God cannot abandon a soul that has not first abandoned Him. As Solzhenitsyn said, Russia would never have fallen into the Communist Hell if it had not turned its back on God. Almighty God allowed that Hell in order to bring “Holy Russia” back to Him. It took several years, but that return to God is now taking place all over Russia, even if the conversion is not yet Catholic. Patience. The Consecration of Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart will see to that. “In suffering is learning.” And now families all over the consumerist West are suffering intensely. Patience.
    Source

    Our Lady spoke very clearly of the consequences of failing to perform the consecration:

    Russia will spread its errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer and various nations will be annihilated.


    Putin rattles Russia’s sabres

    Putin Issues Final Warning

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    Putin to Francis: You are not a man of God




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    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #7 on: July 06, 2020, 10:00:10 AM »
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  • Lad, don't be too quick to praise Russia. That church you linked came replete with a hammer and sickle under the dome and an image of the BVM placing Stalin and the Red Army under her mantle. It's been all over the internet the last couple.of months. Its outrageous.

    Sure, I never said they were perfect.  Those images can be easily eliminated and the church converted to the glory of God in Catholic hands ... once the conversion happens.  In the meantime, the Novus Ordo churn out one architectural abomination after another.


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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #8 on: July 06, 2020, 10:01:53 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson on Russia
    An Extract:

    Indeed. “Where there is a will, there is a way,” says the proverb. And the Council of Trent quotes St Augustine to the effect that God cannot abandon a soul that has not first abandoned Him. As Solzhenitsyn said, Russia would never have fallen into the Communist Hell if it had not turned its back on God. Almighty God allowed that Hell in order to bring “Holy Russia” back to Him. It took several years, but that return to God is now taking place all over Russia, even if the conversion is not yet Catholic. Patience. The Consecration of Russia to Mary’s Immaculate Heart will see to that. “In suffering is learning.” And now families all over the consumerist West are suffering intensely. Patience.
    Source

    Our Lady spoke very clearly of the consequences of failing to perform the consecration:

    Russia will spread its errors throughout the world, raising up wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer and various nations will be annihilated.


    Putin rattles Russia’s sabres

    Putin Issues Final Warning

    _____________________


    Putin to Francis: You are not a man of God




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    I've never seen confirmation of the report that Putin actually asked Bergoglio to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #9 on: July 06, 2020, 10:03:50 AM »
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  • Putin to Francis: You are not a man of God




    Thanks for this link.  Wow.  Putin is denouncing Bergoglio for promoting Communism, which, according to Putin, "is not compatible with Christianity."

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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #10 on: July 06, 2020, 10:13:57 AM »
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  • Amazing.  The undercroft of the church reminds me of the crypt chapel at the Basilica Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington.


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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #11 on: July 06, 2020, 11:43:34 AM »
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  • Amazing.  The undercroft of the church reminds me of the crypt chapel at the Basilica Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington.

    My thoughts exactly.  I spent 3 years in grad school at CUA and went town to the lower level of the shrine often.

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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #12 on: July 06, 2020, 12:09:07 PM »
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  • To be fair, all those chanting 'anathema' to Trump for being pro-homo, should also criticize Putin for the same thing.  Putin is pro-homo, just not for kids.  At best, the USA is a natural law/Protestant country.  While Russia used to be catholic.  You can point to the beautiful churches being built in Russia as better than the US, but that's part of their culture/history, while the USA has none of that.  The expectations for the USA to suddenly turn catholic with a marginally-protestant president is the logical fail of many.  Russia and Europe gave up their catholicity, yet Putin is considered better than Trump, morally?  There's little difference. 

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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #13 on: July 06, 2020, 05:24:28 PM »
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  • Lad, don't be too quick to praise Russia. That church you linked came replete with a hammer and sickle under the dome and an image of the BVM placing Stalin and the Red Army under her mantle. It's been all over the internet the last couple.of months. Its outrageous.
    Spanish saying which applies to the USA government and the Russian government: "Misma mierda, diferente envase", which translates to "Same dung, different packaging".

    It does seem like the two are going in opposite directions, however, at this point they are the same, just maybe crossing paths. Russia has a LONG way to go back from. 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Meanwhile in Russia ...
    « Reply #14 on: July 06, 2020, 06:01:50 PM »
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  • To be fair, all those chanting 'anathema' to Trump for being pro-homo, should also criticize Putin for the same thing. Putin is pro-homo, just not for kids.

    Surely you'll acknowledge that fairness ought to be a two-way street. Granted, people get carried away rather regularly hereabouts with regard to both praise and denunciation, but the gist of what the comments above are saying is that even from the perspective of Realpolitik (i.e., a restricted secular perspective), Trump's poorly formed character and his woeful ignorance of the spiritual and cultural dimensions essential to a proper exercise of statecraft have hobbled him severely. Anyone who has paid even a modicuм of attention to world affairs during the past twenty years ought to grant, however reluctantly, that measured on any scale of character or cultivation, Putin's intellectual capacity and evident awareness of subtle moral distinctions, in combination with his insight and sheer political cunning, have allowed him to detect the admittedly infrequent opportunities to do good and take more than occasional advantage of them.

    Happily for opponents of totalitarianism, there are some limits to what both Trump and Putin can do. To take one area that a serious Catholic might deem unfortunate, the large, powerful, and radically unassimilable non-Christian and nonwhite populations of both countries create inherent instabilities that no secular leader could ever manage to a Catholic's satisfaction. Yet all except Trump's knee-jerk admirers must see that he has bungled innumerable opportunities to make the United States a stabler and more Christian country, so much so that scorn is surely the most appropriate response to claims that we Catholics are lucky to have him. That we might have had and perhaps soon will have a far, far worse presidential administration is no reason for us to shelve our capacity to weigh and assess what we have now.


    At best, the USA is a natural law/Protestant country … [w]hile Russia used to be Catholic. … The expectations for the USA to suddenly turn Catholic with a marginally-Protestant president is the logical fail of many. Russia and Europe gave up their Catholicity …

    Again, be fair. Russia was never a Catholic country, even in the limited sense that Greece or Bulgaria might be called a formerly Catholic country. That statement will, I suggest, be readily borne out by an examination of the history of the various peoples and territories that have composed, first, the historical Russian Empire of the five centuries before the Bolshevik Revolution, then the Soviet Union, and now the vastly smaller and more Russian Russia of the post-Gorbachev era. Given the dramatic—indeed brutal and chaotic—character of that history, it is hardly surprising that the personal intervention of the Mother of God has become an essential factor in Russia's prospective conversion.


    … You can point to the beautiful churches being built in Russia as better than the US, but that's part of their culture/history, while the USA has none of that.

    Blame volition, not culture or history!

    Yes, the churches being built in Russia are more beautiful and, what is plainer still, more conducive to spiritual contemplation and Divine worship than their US counterparts. This is so, however, because in Russia, the people who want new churches and the people who finance them engage architects who are willing to cooperate in their religious aims, however less than fully or truly Catholic those aims may be. In the United States, on the other hand, the only religion recognized as adequate to the needs of contemporary man multigendered humans is the worship of the Jєωs. Is it any wonder that new US churches look like movie theaters and ѕуηαgσgυєs?


    … yet Putin is considered better than Trump, morally? There's little difference.

    Perhaps the differences are indeed small. Similarly small, however, are the chromosomal differences between a human and a dachsund. Put otherwise, whatever differences there are have produced one man who has acted as a credible force for peace in the world and an imperfect but consistent exponent of Christian belief and a second man who has handed the management of US policy over to his Jєω-convert daughter and her Israeli Jєωιѕн husband and who prefers bandying insults on social media to the politically unpopular work of protecting this country from domination by parasitical Jєωs and from ongoing invasion by Christ-hating Third Worlders.