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« on: February 18, 2014, 01:35:52 PM »
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    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2014, 01:54:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    Dont care tbh..


    Well the good Priest does.....




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    « Reply #2 on: February 18, 2014, 02:27:10 PM »
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  • More satanic machinations by the usual ʝʊdɛօ masonic suspects.    

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    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2014, 05:30:17 PM »
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  •  :smoke-pot:
    Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta
    More satanic machinations by the usual ʝʊdɛօ masonic suspects.    



    The us ambassador last week was caught on a leaked audio, likely by russia, talking about how to install their people in the new government. She said something like f--- the EU that made headlines.


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    « Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 02:22:49 AM »
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  • Ukraine’s leading Roman Catholic prelate has joined his Eastern Catholic and Orthodox counterparts in expressing support for anti-government protestors in Ukraine.

    “The Roman Catholic Church in Ukraine, like other churches in Ukraine, expresses its support” for the protestors, said Archbishop Mieczyslaw Mokrzycki of Lviv, according to a report by the Religious Information Service of Ukraine.

    “The faithful of the Roman Catholic Church are also taking part in the demonstrations on the Maidan,” he added. “They are accompanied by priests, in order to create an atmosphere of solidarity, peace, and respect.”

    Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk, the leader of the Byzantine-rite Ukrainian Catholic Church, had previously expressed his sympathy for the demonstrators.


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20510


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    Kiev Burns
    « Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 02:31:42 AM »
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  • They are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

    EU or Russia?

    I would chose Russia.  But they don't really have a choice which is why they are protesting.

    Kiev is not burning.  One part of one street is.  The rest of the city is functioning normally.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 04:58:47 AM »
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  • This didn't come out of the blue. I posted on this earlier when the government threatened to re-criminalize the Catholic Church over there.

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    Kiev Burns
    « Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 08:23:27 AM »
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    I would chose Russia.  But they don't really have a choice which is why they are protesting.



    I think they should choose Russia as well. Sad that the priests are going for the EU and by extension Americansim. Actually this is starting to remind me of the deal Poland took prior to WWII. You may recall how they were left and hung out to dry.

    But what do you mean they don't have a choice as to the reason they are protesting? Looks to me that those who are protesting want to become part of the EU. Am I missing something?

    The way I see it, if they join the EU, they will get more abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ propaganda, and more FEMEN and P-Riot. They will also be used as a battering ram against Russia and Russia's "crimes against humanity" because they are trying to move to the Right in areas concerning sɛҳuąƖity.

    They will be the new slave state on the block in the EU pyramid. I suppose Poland will move up a notch. I do recall when Poland joined Poles couldn't work in Germany for a certain time, etc. I see no reason to be a beggar in joining a dying idea.

    Either way, if things go up in smoke again, something that was supposed to be impossible with a "united" Europe, I predict the big losers will be Poland again and now maybe the Ukraine as well. This region and these people seem to be the expendable ones.


    Offline poche

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    « Reply #8 on: February 21, 2014, 12:55:28 AM »
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  • Ferocious street battles between protesters and police in the Ukrainian capital have left dozens dead and hundreds wounded in the past few days, raising fears that the ex-Soviet nation, whose loyalties are split between Russia and the West, is in an uncontrollable spiral of violence.
    Following a shaky truce Wednesday, fighting flared up again with renewed fervor. Both the government and the opposition blame each other for widely using firearms. The opposition said the government used snipers to shoot protesters from roofs of buildings around Independence Square, known as the Maidan, which has been the epicenter of the anti-government protests.

    Here is a guide to the crisis.

    DIVIDED COUNTRY

    The protests erupted in November when President Viktor Yanukovych abruptly refused to sign a long-anticipated political association and free trade agreement with the European Union, opting instead for closer ties with Russia. Yanukovych is widely despised in Ukraine's west, but has strong support in his native Russia-speaking east, as well as south.

    The pro-Western demonstrators saw Yanukovych's move as a betrayal of national interests and submission to Moscow, and demanded that that he reverse his decision. Their number swelled to hundreds of thousands after a brutal riot police crackdown and their demands have quickly become more radical to include Yanykovych's resignation and early elections.

    ROOTS OF VIOLENCE

    The rallies, which were initially peaceful, spilled into violence in January after parliament, dominated by Yanukovych's supporters, passed repressive laws intended to quash the protest. For several days in January, radical protesters hurled firebombs and stones at police, who retaliated with stun grenades, tear gas and rubber bullets. At least four people died and hundreds were injured.

    Fighting ceased after Yanukovych made some concessions, including the retraction of the repressive legislation and the ouster of his prime minister. The opposition kept pushing for constitutional changes that would limit the presidential powers, and the refusal by pro-Yanukovych's lawmakers to endorse the amendments triggered the latest spasm of violence that began when the demonstrators assailed police who fought back.

    Unlike last month, firearms were widely used this time, resulting in a much higher death toll.

    Pitched battles led to further radicalization and made both sides unwilling to compromise. The opposition would accept nothing but Yanukovych's resignation. The president is apparently prepared to fight until the end.

    GLOBAL POWER PLAYS

    Both Russia and the West have made vigorous efforts to draw Ukraine into its orbit — and that tug of war continues in the crisis.

    Moscow sees what is now Ukraine as the birthplace of Russian statehood and the Russian Orthodox Christianity. Most of modern-day Ukraine came under the control of the Russian czars in the 1700s after being part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Except for some western regions, which were part of Poland between the two world wars and then became part of the Soviet Union, Ukraine remained under Moscow's control until the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

    President Vladimir Putin sees close economic and political ties with Ukraine as essential for the success of his project to build an alliance of ex-Soviet neighbors.

    Russia has done its best to derail Ukraine's pact with the EU with a mixture of trade sanctions and promises. After Yanukovych spiked the deal, Moscow offered a $15 billion bailout to help Ukraine avoid an imminent default, but so far has only provided $3 billion, freezing further disbursements pending the outcome of the ongoing strife.

    The European Union and the United States have urged Yanukovych to negotiate a peaceful end to the conflict. But numerous visits to Kiev by Western diplomats have achieved little result so far.

    Exasperated, Washington and the EU warned Yanukovych they would introduce sanctions against those responsible for the latest violence. Sanctions including travel bans and asset freezes could force Yanukovych's hand by hitting powerful tycoons whose support is essential for his rule.

    POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES

    Protesters have seized government buildings in most western regions of Ukraine, where public support for Yanukovych is close to zero, declaring themselves independent from the central government. They seized hundreds of firearms at police and security agency headquarters and sent volunteers to join battles in Kiev, according to the government.

    In the Russian-speaking east and south, where the majority of the population depends on trade with Russia and supports close ties with Moscow, pro-Western demonstrators have little public following. Some officials and lawmakers there have urged Yanukovych to quash protests in Kiev at any cost.

    The sharp divide between east and west has fueled fears of a messy breakup of the country.

    http://news.yahoo.com/roots-consequences-ukraine-39-violence-154736768.html?vp=1

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    « Reply #9 on: February 22, 2014, 01:18:34 PM »
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  • What a picture!
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 25, 2014, 02:20:02 AM »
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  • Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill of Moscow has made a plea for peace in Ukraine, and denounced “attempts to use political power to resolve the question of the Church in Ukraine.”

    The Russian prelate spoke on February 23 about the “tragic division of our Church” in Ukraine, and called for an end to the bƖσσdshɛd wrought in that country by “minds clouded by violence.” The Russian Patriarch, whose message was read in all the churches of the Moscow patriarchate, said that “political power should not interfere in ecclesiastical matters,” and insisted that the splintered Orthodox community of Ukraine should unite.

    In a potentially important related development, the Holy Synod of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow patriarchate elected a new leader, to replace Metropolitan Vladimir, who is hospitalized. The Synod announced that because Metropolitan Vladimir was determined to be “medically incapacitated,” and incapable of fulfilling his responsibilities, the Synod had elected Metropolitan Onufry to act as primate. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow patriarchate, which is allied with the Russian Orthodox Church, is one of three different bodies competing for recognition as representative of the Orthodox faithful in Ukraine. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kiev patriarchate is led by Patriarch Filaret, who was excommunicated by the Moscow patriarchate when he sought to set up an autonomous Orthodox hierarchy in Ukraine after the country regained its independence from Russia. A third, smaller body, the Ukrainian Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, has ties to the Ecuмenical Patriarchate in Constantinople. Meanwhile the leading prelate of the Latin-rite Catholic community in Ukraine, Archbishop Mieczys?aw Mokrzycki of Lviv, renewed an appeal to the faithful around the world to pray for Ukraine. “We are experiencing a great solidarity with the faithful, not only from neighboring countries, but also from the whole world,” he told Aid to the Church in Need. He said that prayers are still needed as the country’s crisis continues. At the same time, Archbishop Mokrzycki said that he saw among the people of Ukraine “a deeper sense of responsibility for the country as citizens and a deeper conscience of civic duty.”


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20592


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    « Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 08:41:38 AM »
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  • The Truth about the Ukraine Crisis:


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    « Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 09:34:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    The Truth about the Ukraine Crisis:



    Utter crap.

    Neither you nor the video maker have ever been to the Ukraine.  You are clueless as to the reality on the ground there.

    I know some of the protestors.  The brother of my wife's best friend here in the UK was shot, but not killed.  I've been visiting the Ukraine since 1998 and Russia since 1993.  My friend is out there now working as a volunteer, he is a Ukrainian and a perfectly normal guy with middle of the road politics.  He simply wants his country to be a half decent place to live with the rule of law and some basic human rights.  He does not even need to support them as he now lives in Britain and is likely to die here.

    The reasons for the protests are simple.  The Ukrainain police force, government, tax people, officialdom is UTTERLY corrupt, has been since the fall of the Soviet Union and life over there is intolerable.  You can own a small business one day and the next lose it when some official turns up and wants 50% of your profits rising to 90%.  The President was a total gangster and ran the country like his personal piggy bank and simple stole and looted all of the wealth with impunity.  There is no legal system worth its name.

    The place is a giant shithole and people are fed up with it.  Eventually when the protest gained momemtum last year a lot of people figured we are never going to get a better chance and they supported it.

    You are spreading nonsense about a place you have no direct experience of.

    Personally I think they are unwise to side with the EU, because culturally they are much closer to Russians.  They basically are Russians.  Over here in the UK Ukrainians socialise with Russians not Poles or Germans.

    It would be like the UK deciding to throw in its lot with the French and other European wops and putting trade embargoes up against the Americans and Canadians.  It is pretty darned obvious from history that the French and the Krauts would screw the UK over given half a chance.

    I fear that Ukraine will end up broken and split and the west of the country will just become eastern Europes cheapest brothel, which is what the Czech and Slovak republics were during the 1990s.

    As soon as you see budget airlines flying to Uzhgorod then that is why 80% of people are travel there.  Because there is sod all else there worth visiting.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 11:54:11 AM »
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  • It's similar to Texas leaving the United States and deciding to trade with Brazil and share a currency.  Basically potty.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 25, 2014, 01:14:09 PM »
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  • ggreg:
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    Utter crap.

    Neither you nor the video maker have ever been to the Ukraine.  You are clueless as to the reality on the ground there.

    I know some of the protestors.  The brother of my wife's best friend here in the UK was shot, but not killed.


    Well, shut my mouth! Greg's been there!  His wife's brother's fourth cousin twice removed, was shot, by golly.  That should give greg some insight into the real situation on the ground, shouldn't it?  All we can conclude now, from greg's airtight arguments, is that the protesters are good, wholesome folk, and the Ukranian government, (or what was the Ukranian govt.), is corrupt and evil.  Had you not been to the Ukraine, some of us might choose to argue with you, greg baby.  But your several visits to that country display for us your impeccable credentials, confirm your unimpeachable knowledge base, and prove beyond reasonable doubt your indisputable authority on matters pertaining to Ukraine.  I mean, I've been to France, Spain, Portugal and Italy etc. several times.  I've talked to folks in each of these countries.  But I have to confess withal, that to this day I know little about the internal politics of those countries- unlike you, who after several  visits to the Ukraine seem to have the true situation there pretty well nailed down.  
    Here, silly me, I thought the ranks of the protesters were just crawling with Jєωs and ex-Israeli military.  But thankfully now, you have set me straight.  Greg, you have performed a great service to us all.
    I know that greg views the recommended video as "crap."  Still it might be worth a look.  I know that many of the major players are Jєωs, like Nuland, Pyatt, Tymonshenko and Soros.  These protests appear to have been little more than a Jєωιѕн-inspired conspiracy, with Jєωs operating out of the highest places in the U.S. govt, and Tel Aviv.  But let's be careful.  Looks are deceiving.   It could very well be that these are all Catholics and Orthodox, disguised as Jєωs, in order bring more opprobrium upon that unfortunate race.
    What is more, it may not have been Jєωιѕн-led cadres at all who stripped the Ukrainian farmers of all their wheat stores and livestock in 1932, resulting in death by starvation to 7 million souls.  No, by jove, I can see clearly now that they may have been Catholic-led death squads, who out of hatred for Orthodoxy, brought this doom upon them.  Thanks again, greg.