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Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on April 29, 2013, 02:19:41 AM
Iranian news (Gordon Duff) is foretelling that the final step towards global war is imminent:

(http://www.presstv.ir/detail/300590.html)

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The plans are clear, an invasion of Syria, splitting the Kurdish region of Iraq off, into an Israeli controlled military bastion for an invasion of Iran. What isn’t being said, however, is that, in order to push the United States back to war after a decade of military and economic disasters, assassinations, fαℓѕє fℓαg terror and a campaign of counterfeit WMD intelligence is planned.


The recent Twitter hack reporting an injured Obama is possibly a form of psychological pre-conditioning for the populace. The Iran fears that a presidential assassination as a fαℓѕє fℓαg might be used as the trigger for US involvement in war against it, seeing as though it has no WMD and that the US military has no appetite for a war with Iran/China/Russia.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on April 29, 2013, 03:46:21 AM
And this article from the Common Sense Show provides some more background on the probable course of events from this point:

(http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/04/28/the-blueprint-for-wwiii/)

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America is in a very difficult dilemma. If we acquiesce to the Russian and Chinese threat of war for invading Iran, our dollar will collapse. If we attack Iran after taking over Syria, the nuclear powers with formidable armies have promised retaliation. America could see its first invasion on American soil since the War of 1812.


There it is. But economics and finance are not an end but a means to an end, which is to subjugate all nations under Satan. The organizers of this coming war want the US to collapse. That's the whole idea!
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Napoli on April 29, 2013, 10:35:32 PM
I am shocked that the Zionists have waited this long.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on April 29, 2013, 11:23:44 PM
I saw on the news today that two surface to air missiles where fired and missed an Russian passenger plane with 200 passengers over Syria today.
Since the Russians are allies with the Syrian Government, this must
be from the rebels.
We are now getting very close to some big event that will launch WW3.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on April 30, 2013, 09:06:51 AM
http://rt.com/news/rockets-russian-plane-syria-575/
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: s2srea on April 30, 2013, 10:22:18 AM
It makes total sense. There's no attacking Iran without putting to end the Assad regime; my Lebanese cousin, with extended family, through marriage, in Syria,  tell me that much of what's portrayed on TV is highly inaccurate.

Obama drummed up his imaginary "red line", the one on the use of chemical weapons, so that it could be crossed. Israel wants to feel secure, and it doesn't.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Neil Obstat on April 30, 2013, 08:31:48 PM
Quote from: Maizar
Iranian news (Gordon Duff) is foretelling that the final step towards global war is imminent:

(http://www.presstv.ir/detail/300590.html)

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The plans are clear, an invasion of Syria, splitting the Kurdish region of Iraq off, into an Israeli controlled military bastion for an invasion of Iran. What isn’t being said, however, is that, in order to push the United States back to war after a decade of military and economic disasters, assassinations, fαℓѕє fℓαg terror and a campaign of counterfeit WMD intelligence is planned.


The recent Twitter hack reporting an injured Obama is possibly a form of psychological pre-conditioning for the populace. The Iran fears that a presidential assassination as a fαℓѕє fℓαg might be used as the trigger for US involvement in war against it, seeing as though it has no WMD and that the US military has no appetite for a war with Iran/China/Russia.



Have they figured out yet that a lot of Americans would be quite relieved
to find that the B.O. was bumped off?  - It's not 1963 anymore.

Oh, what a difference a semicentennial makes!



Quote from: Maizar
And this article from the Common Sense Show provides some more background on the probable course of events from this point:

(http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/04/28/the-blueprint-for-wwiii/)

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America is in a very difficult dilemma. If we acquiesce to the Russian and Chinese threat of war for invading Iran, our dollar will collapse. If we attack Iran after taking over Syria, the nuclear powers with formidable armies have promised retaliation. America could see its first invasion on American soil since the War of 1812.


There it is. But economics and finance are not an end but a means to an end, which is to subjugate all nations under Satan. The organizers of this coming war want the US to collapse. That's the whole idea!


Ask Fr. Rostand and his boss because they have all the answers - they're
the ones saying +W is out in left field for saying WWIII is imminent.

Prophets of gloom!  Where is the "medicine of mercy" that J23 harped on
when you need it??

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
I saw on the news today that two surface to air missiles where fired and missed an Russian passenger plane with 200 passengers over Syria today.


Did the passengers find out?  Did anyone interview them after they landed?
Were they kept in the dark?  Did they have to use the restroom real quick?  

I would have!  And you?!

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Since the Russians are allies with the Syrian Government, this must
be from the rebels.

We are now getting very close to some big event that will launch WW3.


And just who are those 'rebels'?  

Quote from: Napoli
I am shocked that the Zionists have waited this long.


They were waiting for the expulsion of +W and the subsequent release of
the 4-13 Cor Unum.



Hey, tomorrow's May Day........... are all the Communist sympathizers ready?




Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 01, 2013, 01:28:46 AM
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Have they figured out yet that a lot of Americans would be quite relieved
to find that the B.O. was bumped off?  - It's not 1963 anymore.

This would be about international opinion. All they need in the US is "well I never liked B.O. but oh well I guess it's reason enough to go to war". They are ready for cινιℓ ωαr anyway.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 06, 2013, 07:24:56 AM
Israel's most recent attack on Syria appears to have been done either with a MOAB (Massive Ordinance Air Burst) or a small nuclear weapon. The former (more probable) relies on the release of aerosolized explosive, but in this case depleted Uranium was used also. The explosion was heard throughout Damascus. The reasoning for the use of these weapons of mass destruction (they kill people within a circuмference of at least a couple hundred meters) was not merely the indiscriminate nature of the weapons but the effect this has of terrorizing the populace.

The US claims not to have been given advance notice of this attack, but it and Europe's lack of outright condemnation of Israel will mark a turning point in the war. It reveals to the public the hidden hand at play, if it weren't so obvious already. The US/Europe (Turkey)/UK have helped the Syrian rebellion from its outset, and probably supplied the Sarin gas to the rebels in what turns out to have been a failed fαℓѕє fℓαg attack.

Israel wants a wider war, this is plain and simple, and it is increasingly likely that it will get one.

Will Russia intervene?

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Russia Today: The Assad government, which has been portrayed as warring tyrant by many countries, has now become the victim of a powerful war machine. Could Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Iran weigh in if Syria did go to war with Israel?  

Ali Rizk: That’s the big question. The Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah made it clear and provides an answer to this question. In a speech last Thursday, he said that Syria’s real friends – meaning Hezbollah, Iran, and Russia – won’t allow Syria to fall into the hands of the US, Israel, or Al-Qaeda affiliates…

I think what you have now is that Iran and Hezbollah now have a new significant ally of real significant weight which is Russia, which is continuing to the Middle East scene once again. So I think that if we do have escalation, Iran will intervene, Hezbollah will intervene, and I think also we might speak about a Russian intervention or some kind of a Russia role because Russia clearly has been very much present and there saying “I am here and I have a significant say.”


It is said that wars are won and lost before they are begun, but this is not always the case. A close and accurate review of historical events of the Second World War show, for example, that the Soviet made some massive miscalculations and as a result failed in their initial plan to take all of Europe. Israel and US are prone to blunders and it is entirely possible, as the stakes are raised higher and higher, that in a moment of vulnerability they will fall suddenly and completely.

More than ever, it is urgent for Catholics to reform their lives, turning to prayer and penance so that if death came unexpectedly they will not face the Creator unprepared.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Ethelred on May 06, 2013, 08:46:40 AM
Good articles, Maizar.

Quote from: Maizar
Israel wants a wider war, this is plain and simple, and it is increasingly likely that it will get one.

Will Russia intervene?

Living here in Central Europe closer to Russia, and reading Russian newspaper for some years, I too would say: Yes. Russia won't allow a take-over of Syria (and then of its allied Iran) by USrael. Because Syria is not Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, but Russia's port to the important Mediterranean Sea. The Red Army has a military port there for years.

Russia is preparing themselves for a big war since a few years. For example just a few weeks ago they removed the "numberplates" on their submarines (don't know the English word for numberplate on boats). This is only one small detail of many, which however draw the same picture: in contrast to Europe, the Russians get ready for a big war. And I think an attack on Syria & Iran will be the tin opener for this big war.

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It is said that wars are won and lost before they are begun, but this is not always the case. A close and accurate review of historical events of the Second World War show, for example, that the Soviet made some massive miscalculations and as a result failed in their initial plan to take all of Europe.

Thanks for this reminder, which I'm afraid most modern people don't -- want to -- know. However, our friends from Spain (Legion Condor), Finland (STUG III), the Baltic states as well as most East European states, Russian authors like Victor Suchorow ("The Ice Breaker"), and upright Germans know this well.

Now this intented take-over of entire Europe by the national communistic Russia was the main reason why Adolf H. had to do a preventive strike against the communistic Russia in 1941, named Operation Barbarossa (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa). Of course the foul show-trials in Nürnberg don't help to remember this fact but just cement false victor's "justice". Still it's the background why Our Lady in 1917 warned against the Russian communism which indeed spreads its errors to the whole world (Trotsky in USA, for example).
And this take-over plan is still there today. The old communistic fratricidal war between national communism (Stalin) and international communism (Trotsky) is live and kicking, so to speak.

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Israel and US are prone to blunders and it is entirely possible, as the stakes are raised higher and higher, that in a moment of vulnerability they will fall suddenly and completely.

This would comply with several European Catholic visions, like for example the ones from the well known German visionary Alois Irlmaier (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=16182&min=0&num=7), which Bishop Williamson mentioned recently.

And the time-line gets closer. "Israel" can't wait until the USA crashes economically and financially (which it will soon), so "Israel" needs its US-pawn for this tin opening war before the pawn is out-of-service.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Ethelred on May 06, 2013, 08:57:09 AM
Quote from: Maizar
But economics and finance are not an end but a means to an end, which is to subjugate all nations under Satan. The organizers of this coming war want the US to collapse. That's the whole idea!

The globalists need the whole world to collapse, not just a single country. In order to establish their nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr (NWO), they need to destroy the Old World Orders, like they did in WW1 with the Catholic European Monarchies.

These globalists aren't focused on the USA, except for using it as a handy tool in their globalist operations: to make the FED (1913) the world's paper money control center, but also to turn WW1 and WW2 into real world wars (for example, did the majority of US-Americans want to fight far away from their home against their own forefathers here in Europe? No! But the Jєωιѕн money masters forced them into these wars via the usual 9/11 tricks).

And today the globalists need another world war, because two wars (actually one, if we know that WW2 was just the continuation of WW1) didn't do the job.

Now, since wars are a punishment for our sins (although Fr. Pfluger won't understand it (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-Niklaus-Pflugers-letter-to-Bishop-Williamson)), I agree with Maizar also on this:
More than ever, it is urgent for Catholics to reform their lives, turning to prayer and penance so that if death came unexpectedly they will not face the Creator unprepared.


So, say, an attack on Syria & Iran by USrael will be the tin opener for a big war, then probably it won't unleash WW3 immediately, but only after some time until there's extensive fire.
According to his recent lectures -- for example in USA recently about venerable Fr Holzhauser's visions --, Bishop Williamson too thinks that we only have a few years until there will be the Chastisement (which, according to Irlmaier and many others, will start with a short but intense WW3). I think he said two to three years, which I find very realistic.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 06, 2013, 09:50:07 AM
Quote from: Ethelred

According to his recent lectures -- for example in USA recently about venerable Fr Holzhauser's visions --, Bishop Williamson too thinks that we only have a few years until there will be the Chastisement (which, according to Irlmaier and many others, will start with a short but intense WW3). I think he said two to three years, which I find very realistic.

This is quite correct. Many of the triggers for mass destruction are continually being set up, quietly out of public view. The expected scenario will be for the US to reach its moment of weakness (and gross under-estimation of the power of its enemies) at which point the war rapidly escalates. At this time society will lose its connectedness and we will be faced with the ugly faces of the uncultured, desperate people who live around us, or for those who live in densely populated centers it is likely to be much worse in many cases - just massive destruction. Once war gets hot, the planning becomes chaotic and what the Syrians are experiencing will be multiplied for the others. They need our prayers, even if merely out of fear of what may befall us.

The English speaking world is poor because, despite material wealth, it lacks social cohesion. Without the Freemasons and all their related service clubs (all doomed), there is not enough to hold things together in a crisis. I expect that Russia and Central/Eastern Europe will survive better, as they have not completely poisoned their own roots and have not had as much of the decades long brainwashing that is Western mass media.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Ethelred on May 07, 2013, 06:54:06 AM
Pretty well analysed, Maizar.

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I expect that Russia and Central/Eastern Europe will survive better, as they have not completely poisoned their own roots and have not had as much of the decades long brainwashing that is Western mass media.

According to several European Catholic visionaries and in particular according to Alois Irlmaier, the communistic Russia will however have to pay a heavy blood price for its sins at the end of WW3. (He doesn't specify what sins these are, but from a Catholic point of view these could well mean the ~1000 years of deeply anti-Catholic schism, and as one consequence the spreading of the Jєωιѕн Communism since 1917 to the entire world).

Luckily, when this price is paid, also Russia will be converted to the Church according to Irlmaier, and even better, according to Fatima. It's also in the visions of Irlmaier, see the short quote below please as starter. He also visioned that several East European countries will be destroyed in WW3, which again would match Fatima, where Our Lady mentioned such nations just without a location however.


I've to say that such short quotations are usually difficult to read, because some external websites just collect various quotes from various visionaries (and non-visionaries) together, and the result is usually a very strange mix taken out of the context.
So again I recommend interested readers to read some serious Irlmaier books, which I know only two of, which however are excellent. Unfortunately they have not been translated to English, as far as I know. Bishop Williamson however read one at least but probably both, because what he recently told about Irlmaier (namely) is exactly in these books.

Matthew copied several of Irlmaier's quotations here (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=16182&min=0&num=7) :
Quote from: Irlmaier
In Russia a revolution breaks out and a cινιℓ ωαr. The corpses are so much that you cannot remove them off the roads anymore. The cross comes to honours anew. The Russian people believe in God anew. The large ones among the party leaders commit ѕυιcιdє and in the blood the great guilty is washed off. I see a red mass, mixed with yellow faces, it is a general riot and horrible killing. Then they sing the Easter song and burn candles in front of sacral pictures. By the prayer of the Christianity the monster of hell dies; also the young people believe anew in the intercession of the God's mother.

Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Ethelred on May 07, 2013, 06:56:40 AM
I don't want to transform this thread here into another visionary thread... It's just that what we see today, matches pretty well the famous "Irlmaier scenario", as we tend to name the "WW3 + Three Dark Days".

And indeed there's strong indications that this scenario could be started with an invasion of Syria by USA/"Israel". So back on topic: Just today the Russian Foreign Office warned the West (http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/krise-in-der-arabischen-welt/syrien/nach-bombenangriffen-in-israel-moskau-warnt-den-westen-vor-intervention-in-syrien_aid_982308.html) against a creeping preparation of a military intervention in Syria.

As Maizar said, let's do what we have to do as Catholics, and we're in God's hand. He's in control of everything.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 07, 2013, 08:29:51 AM
Hi Ethelred! Just a few thoughts in response to your post:

A US/Israeli war with Iran means war with China and Russia. However once this is over, China may well decide it wants to take the eastern parts of Russia. Whilst I have said elsewhere that Russian Orthodox Christianity has been hopelessly compromised, it will have been a generation since the collapse of the Soviet Union and as others have said, it's quite plausible that the Orthodox churches remain to a large extent valid.

I agree with you that the prophecies are believable. However there is always the trap that if someone is powerful enough, they can write history in advance and then enact it. That is, the prophecies may not always be true but a form of psychological preconditioning. 1959 is very recent and many of the geopolitical moves relevant today have been foreseen by strategists a century in advance.

With reference to the prophecies of Alois Irlmaier:

Nuclear weapons can be used to cause earthquakes and tsunamis, but this was known in the 1950's.

Yellow/green powder may be a chemical weapon, but it's not feasible to create such a massive corridor of death over such a distance using chemicals as Irimaier describes. Only nuclear weapons achieve this, or else there is something none of us knows yet.

A neutron bomb can wipe out populations whilst leaving buildings intact.

Interestingly, the meteor over the Urals may have been intercepted by a nuclear weapon by Russia, which may be the mechanism of how the 72 hours of darkness occurs. One of the powers in desperation may fire off their arsenal in conjunction with a meteorite strike, rendering the surrounding countryside toxic. He doesn't describe a nuclear winter, however. The need to black out the windows suggests lethal flashes of ionizing radiation. I don't quite understand how glass is not protective whereas metal and paper is. This is odd, and leaves me scratching my head.

Israel has in its plans the nuclear obliteration of the Vatican, so the Pope might well want to flee!

All low lying populous areas are fair game should world war break out. Don't live there! Get somewhere nice and cheap, inland, a house of bricks and mortar, etc. Store ten liters of water per person at any given time, and enough tinned food and grain to get by for a month or so. If the population is decimated as Irimaier describes, it will probably be enough to raid the local food stores and empty houses until crops regrow.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 07, 2013, 08:21:12 PM
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Various Internet traffic monitors — including Google and Akamai — are reporting that Internet traffic into and out of Syria has ground to a halt again.

Right now, Google is showing that none of its products are available in Syria, since a little before 3 pm ET, or about two hours ago as of this writing.

http://allthingsd.com/20130507/syria-has-dropped-off-the-internet-again/

And so it begins?
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 07, 2013, 08:42:59 PM
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Yellow/green powder may be a chemical weapon, but it's not feasible to create such a massive corridor of death over such a distance using chemicals as Irimaier describes. Only nuclear weapons achieve this, or else there is something none of us knows yet.


I take that back. Reading this: http://www.roitov.com/articles/chemicalcountdown.htm leaves me with no doubt. Israel is so full of dangerous substances that it resembles a ѕυιcιdє bomber with explosives and deadly chemicals strapped to itself and its children. They are truly insane.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Incredulous on May 07, 2013, 09:28:18 PM
Thanks for the timely analysis Ethelred and Maizar.

I wish I could read German to review the books on Alois.

In Alois's books and the WWIII scenario, did you notice any parts that could be the great "Warning" and "Sign" mentioned in Garabandal prophecy?

I know this is not officially approved, but Msgr. Williamson has said he personally believes in Garabandal, because of its context to Vatican II and the fact that Roncalli did not release the 3rd Secret as requested by Our Lady of Fatima.

With all the dead bodies Alois mentioned, it would seem logical for Our Lord would make one final call for repentance before it happens.

Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 08, 2013, 05:46:35 AM
The recently announced immediate halt to Israeli settlement activity (which would never happen if Obama asked for it) was as a result of talks with China, or possibly due to a phone call from Putin warning him to leave Syria alone. What a slap in the face to the US! But Israel's treachery is nothing new. They have been selling US military secrets to China for quite a while now.

I wonder if Israel is running out of luck...
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Ethelred on May 08, 2013, 11:13:14 AM
Quote from: Incredulous
In Alois's books and the WWIII scenario, did you notice any parts that could be the great "Warning" and "Sign" mentioned in Garabandal prophecy?

I didn't notice a mentioned warning when I read the Alois' books, but this doesn't mean much because I didn't read them with Garabandal in mind (frankly I don't know so much about Garabandal).

Alois indeed mentioned the appearance of a very large white cross in the sky which everybody would see, and that the not-yet-faithful humans would cry then: "There's a God!"
But if I remember correctly, this cross would only appear after the Three Dark Days (which in-turn happen at the end of WW3 according to him). Meaning that basically already around two-thirds of humanity would be dead... ?  

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With all the dead bodies Alois mentioned, it would seem logical for Our Lord would make one final call for repentance before it happens.

I'm going to search for such a warning in the Alois books and report any match here, but so far I only remember that Alois underlined many times that the massive Russian invasion of  Europe (and USA?) would be like a bolt from the blue, and that people would just stare and being overrun (and raped and massacred) for days without coming back to their mind and fight back.  

This is not so surprising, because modern man is blind in every aspect and totally lives in his Disney dreams (or: in hills filled with the sound of music...).
This is what Bishop Williamson always warns against: modern man's total loss of reality.
Accordingly the upcoming collision with reality will be unbelievable brutal for us delusional modern people. The good bishop mentioned in his recent lectures, that when the nuclear missiles will fly like confetti in WW3, we modern people at least have a few minutes to do remorse.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Ethelred on May 08, 2013, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: Maizar
The recently announced immediate halt to Israeli settlement activity (which would never happen if Obama asked for it) was as a result of talks with China, or possibly due to a phone call from Putin warning him to leave Syria alone. What a slap in the face to the US! But Israel's treachery is nothing new. They have been selling US military secrets to China for quite a while now.

I wonder if Israel is running out of luck...

Yes, it seems so. And now it gets interesting:


Alalam News Network
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1472278

8 May 2013

Putin warns Israel against aggression on Syria


Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned Israel against any further aggression on Syria, media reports say.

During a Tuesday phone conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Putin said that “Russia would not tolerate further Israeli attacks on Damascus and would respond.”
 
Israeli Debka website quoted Putin as saying that Russia would not allow Israel, United States or anyone to launch military action on Syria.
 
Putin said that he had ordered the acceleration of highly advanced Russian weapons supplies to Syria.
 
Putin’s warning comes after Israel’s attacked on Syrian soil on Sunday which left at least 15 people dead, according to a letter submitted by Syrian foreign ministry to United Nations.
 
According to the report, the Russian president said that Moscow will act against western attempts aimed at toppling Syrian President Bashar Assad.
 
Russia and the US are at odds over the Syria crisis. While US supports anti-Damascus militants seeking to topple the government of President Bashar al-Assad, Russia remains a supporter of his government.
 
Russia accuses the West of worsening the Syrian conflict by calling for the ouster of Assad.
 
A US Senator introduced a bill on Tuesday that would provide weapons to terrorist groups fighting in Syria.
 
Moscow has voiced its strong opposition to arming militants in Syria, stressing that any such move would breach international law.



(http://i.alalam.ir/news/Image/650x375/2013/05/08/alalam_635035996273690857_25f_4x3.jpg)
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Incredulous on May 08, 2013, 02:17:43 PM
And now matter what you think of Putin, he's the most competent leader on the world stage today.

Even the Israeli military with all their nukes, knows he could flatten them irreparably in one afternoon.

Time for the ʝʊdɛօ-rats to change strategy and divert blame onto the Obama puppet and USArael.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: alaric on May 08, 2013, 06:25:01 PM
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Israel bombs Damascus – and the cat is out of the bag



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It’s seems counterintuitive, to say the least. Indeed, it seems quite mad. And yet we now have all the evidence we need to point to a de facto Israeli alliance with Al Qaeda. The bombing of Damascus suburbs by Israeli jets – purportedly in order to prevent the Syrians from supplying Hezbollah with long range missiles – at precisely the moment when the Syrian “rebels” are demanding Western intervention on their behalf highlights one of the most bizarre alliances in history.

Bizarre, yes, but inexplicable? Not at all.

The Syrian government is claiming the Israelis “coordinated” their attack with the rebels, but this seems problematic – and is largely irrelevant. Yes, a rebel spokesman “blessed” the Israeli strike, but I rather doubt there’s ongoing communication between the rebel leadership and Tel Aviv. It’s simply not necessary: after all, their goals in the region are complementary, if not identical. The Sunni extremists who comprise Al Qaeda have been in the front lines in the battle against Bashar al-Assad, and are also bitterly hostile to the mullahs of Tehran, whom they consider heretics: Israel, for its part, has launched its own holy war against Iran for quite different reasons, and is eager to take out Assad: regardless of motives their goals do coincide. Both want chaos in Syria – the Israelis, in order to eliminate a longstanding thorn in their side, and the jihadists because they thrive in failed states, like Lebanon.

Why would the Israelis aid a “rebel” army made up almost exclusively of hardened jihadists who supposedly hate Israel and want to see its non-Arab inhabitants driven into the sea? For the same reason they initially nurtured Hamas – because they believe it serves their long range purposes. The reason the Israelis granted official legal status to the group that eventually morphed into one of the Jєωιѕн state’s most implacable enemies was simple: to divide the Palestinian resistance, and therefore weaken it. At the time, Fatah, the largest component of the secular Palestinian Liberation Organization, was the most effective opposition to the Israeli occupation. The Israelis thought aiding an Islamist competitor would achieve certain desired ends: the decline of the PLO’s influence, the alienation of Arab governments from the Palestinian cause, and the marginalization of that cause in Western eyes. All three goals have since been achieved.

The Israelis are assisting the Syrian jihadists for similar reasons: because it fits in rather neatly with their long-range goals. For a look at those goals, all you have to do is peruse a 1996 docuмent prepared for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by leading neoconservatives, proposing a radical new Israeli “defense” strategy. Reading “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” is like reading a timeline of events in the Middle East for the past ten years. As I wrote in October of 2003, on the occasion of the thirtieth anniversary of the Yom Kippur War – a day when Israel bombed alleged “terrorist camps” in Syria:

“The paper, co-authored by Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser, portrayed Syria as the main enemy of Israel, but maintained the road to Damascus had to first pass through Baghdad:


“‘Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right – as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria’s regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq.’”


Well, we didn’t get the Hashemites – but Maliki will do. Or, rather, near complete chaos will suffice, as the religious cινιℓ ωαr wracking the Muslim world takes another potential enemy out of contention. Now that Iraq lies bleeding by the wayside, King Bibi is speeding down that “Clean Break” highway, eager to turn two more regional rivals into roadkill.

As I have written before, Syria is our Spain – a proxy war prefiguring a much larger conflict, with the US, Israel, Turkey, Jordan, and Al Qaeda (in the guise of the “Al Nusra Front”) versus the Syrian Ba’athists, Hezbollah, and – standing behind them – Iran.

Israel’s role in this is key. It isn’t just Israeli jets providing air cover for the jihadists in Syria: the Israel lobby has been going full tilt in a push to drag the US into the conflict. And they don’t care how they do it. The other day, in a debate on intervention in Syria on NPR, a representative of WINEP, the “educational” arm of AIPAC, accused anti-interventionist Joshua Landis of “dual loyalty” because his wife is an Alawite! Of course, the Israel lobby isn’t guilty of dual loyalty – their one and only loyalty is to the state of Israel, nothing dual about it.

The “chemical weapons” hoax topped the long list of similar scams set up by the Syrian rebels and their Western supporters in its brazen effrontery: not since the “Niger uranium” papers have we seen such a downright sloppy scheme to lie us into war. Samples taken from rebel sources tested positive for sarin – and the administration was supposed to accept that at face value? Back to the drawing board, and the same old question: how do we drag a reluctant US President into an open military confrontation with Iran?

Only a few years ago it would’ve been hard to believe the Americans weren’t clued in beforehand that Israeli jets would soon be pounding Damascus. However, given the relations between this administration and the Netanyahu government, one is hardly shocked to learn it came as a surprise. The War Party is playing its trump card – and we’ll see if the President has anything up his sleeve to beat it.

In an effort to stay out of a major mess that could get far messier, the White House is up against not only the Israel lobby, the McCain brigade, and powerful members of his own party, he’s also swimming against the foreign policy current that dominated the previous administration – and also his own.

It was during the Bush regime’s effort to save face by proclaiming “victory” at the end of the Iraq “surge” that the US decided to play the Sunni card and forge a regional coalition to block Iranian dominance of the region. That this turn ended up with the US and Al Qaeda on the same side in the Syrian trenches is hardly surprising – or unprecedented. Bin Laden’s legions fought in the Kosovo war on the side of their Kosovar Muslim brothers and NATO: many present day jihadists are veterans of that conflict, just as they are veterans of Afghanistan, Libya, and Chechnya – all regions where the jihadists and the Americans are de facto allies. In the Balkans, we used them to block Russian influence in Europe: in Syria, we are using them to run interference with the Iranians. In resisting – at least publicly – the call to intervene more visibly, this President is contravening the trajectory of American policy in the region – and the US ship of state, an enormous and therefore unwieldy vessel, is not so easily turned around. It has a momentum all its own.

The White House has been besieged by the “humanitarian” interventionist crowd – by Democrats, including, in Congress, Carl Levin, Robert Menendez, and Dianne Feinstein – to “do something” in Syria, while the Republican hawks swirling around John McCain have been howling for a “no fly zone” and military aid to the rebels. Of course, the American people oppose us getting involved in the Syrian imbroglio, but they don’t count: the gaggle of foreign lobbyists and laptop bombardiers who rule Washington are, as usual, the only voices being heard.

Who will channel the populist wisdom of the war-weary and too-often-lied-to American people? While the warlords of Washington are merrily planning yet another war to benefit Israel based on lying “evidence” of WMD, where are all these supposed Republican “isolationists” we’ve been hearing so much about? Put up, or shut up, fellas.


http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...dist-alliance/
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on May 08, 2013, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: Incredulous
And now matter what you think of Putin, he's the most competent leader on the world stage today.

Even the Israeli military with all their nukes, knows he could flatten them irreparably in one afternoon.

Time for the ʝʊdɛօ-rats to change strategy and divert blame onto the Obama puppet and USArael.


Oh don't worry the GOP will probably vote for Bibi to be President of the United States over that "evil anti-Israeli" Obama who obviously is a Muslim and hates Israel and Jєωs. :rolleyes:

That is the logic of the "wise leaders" in Congress and the neo-cons. :rolleyes:
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 09, 2013, 09:02:28 AM
Syria has made gains against the rebels in cutting off their supply lines and securing their own supply lines in the past 24h and is working to secure the border regions along Jordan and Golan Heights.

Russia and US are negotiating an approach to the Syrian conflict, which could mean anything, but since the UK is preparing to ship arms to the rebels I doubt this is anything more than testing the waters and a delaying tactic to prevent a diplomatic win for Russia / China on the world stage.

Russian TV is running an item telling the world (especially Israel's neighboring countries on its Arabic service) that Israel's Iron Dome is ineffective and a total waste of money, indeed that it is a critical weakness of Israel's defense systems.

No one has leaked anything on Israel's negotiations with China as far as I can tell. But this flurry of diplomatic contact is unusual and could be a signal of panic that certain plans have not worked out as they were supposed to. Any ideas?
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Matto on May 12, 2013, 04:01:48 PM
I just learned about the bombings at Church today. The priest mentioned it during his sermon. I don't follow the news so I had no idea anything had happened.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 13, 2013, 05:47:19 AM
Sourced from Debka so not sure of its significance:

http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/syria-intense-israeli-air-ground-activity-according-to-lebanese-sources/43913

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Various Lebanese sources report intense Israeli military activity Sunday along the Israeli-Syrian and Lebanese borders. Witnesses describe Israeli warplanes as making aerial passes over south Lebanon, ground forces moving along the Golan border with Syria and attack helicopters flying over Mts Hermon and Dov and the Shaaba Farms.


Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Francisco on May 17, 2013, 08:09:37 AM
Quote from: Maizar
Syria has made gains against the rebels in cutting off their supply lines and securing their own supply lines in the past 24h and is working to secure the border regions along Jordan and Golan Heights.

Russia and US are negotiating an approach to the Syrian conflict, which could mean anything, but since the UK is preparing to ship arms to the rebels I doubt this is anything more than testing the waters and a delaying tactic to prevent a diplomatic win for Russia / China on the world stage.

Russian TV is running an item telling the world (especially Israel's neighboring countries on its Arabic service) that Israel's Iron Dome is ineffective and a total waste of money, indeed that it is a critical weakness of Israel's defense systems.

No one has leaked anything on Israel's negotiations with China as far as I can tell. But this flurry of diplomatic contact is unusual and could be a signal of panic that certain plans have not worked out as they were supposed to. Any ideas?


So UK is funding those Islamist terrorist rebels in Syria, huh? Is this all pure madness or does the West want Israel surrounded by fanatical Islamic nations in order to keep this same Israel super-armed and on permanent alert against these fanatics put in place by the West? It makes one's head spin!
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 20, 2013, 08:53:59 AM
Quote from: Francisco

So UK is funding those Islamist terrorist rebels in Syria, huh? Is this all pure madness or does the West want Israel surrounded by fanatical Islamic nations in order to keep this same Israel super-armed and on permanent alert against these fanatics put in place by the West? It makes one's head spin!


This has been a war waged by NATO from the very beginning.

The plan is for Israel to extend its borders throughout the region. Initially its sphere of influence was spread via proxy power (partly via the US and Europe) through dictators and despots it controls. However Israel does not really fully control the natural resources of the region and is unable to build infrastructure to connect those resources, control them and take the profits from them. Ultimately Israel wants to be the world's political, religious, military and economic center. All western countries are more or less at its service. Individuals in those governments soon realize the price of straying from this.

In fact Israel is itself the play thing of Jєωιѕн banking families, who are ready to pay any price, even the loss of many loyal Jєωs, to achieve their megalomanic ends.

That the UK would be supporting whomever Israel wants it to is not a surprise. It's nothing new at all. Early on in the war (before June 2012), foreign special forces troops were noted to be on Syrian soil:

http://larouchepac.com/node/22930

On looking for this fact I noticed they were caught again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-178728/Syria-captured-SAS-men.html

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Two SAS soldiers on a secret mission were captured by Syrian authorities after straying across the border from Iraq, it emerged yesterday.


Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on May 21, 2013, 05:48:46 AM
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/20/304468/syria-captures-israeli-army-vehicle/

Israeli Military Vehicle Confiscated from Rebels in Syria:

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The Syrian army has confiscated an Israeli military vehicle used by foreign-backed militants in Syria’s strategic western city of al-Qusayr.


The Lebanese channel al-Mayadeen broadcast the video of the confiscated vehicle on Monday.

The report also said that military uniforms as well as wiretapping and jamming equipment were found in the vehicle, but it did not display the items.


Messier by the day.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on May 29, 2013, 09:30:02 AM
Did Syria Sink an Israeli German Built Submarine?

Article from Veterans Today:

 http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/25/did-syria-sink-an-israeli-submarine/
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Ethelred on May 30, 2013, 09:01:32 AM
Cold war got hot in a few weeks! Now it gets really interesting, because "Israel" is mad and arrogant enough to start a war in Syria against the Russia, a country which shows its readiness for war since years.


http://www.zerohedge.com/print/474606

First Shipment of Russian S-300 Rockets arrives in Syria

By Tyler Durden, 30 May 2013

Two days ago we reported that the most recent escalation in the Syrian proxy war involved a bitter exchange between Russia and Israel, where the latter warned the former that it would proceed with destroying any arms shipments from Russia into Syria, specifically referencing the S-300 missiles that has been known to be en route to Damascus for several weeks now. The Israel defense minister warned that: [7]"The shipments haven't set out yet and I hope they won't. If they do arrive in Syria, God forbid, we'll know what to do." Well, according to Lebanese newspaper al-Akhbar not only has the shipment been sent out, but it has already arrived. Check to Israel and coming through on its warning to begin an offensive action not only against Syria, but more importantly, implicitly against Russia.

More:
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"Syria has received the first shipment of Russian anti-aircraft S-300 rockets," Lebanese newspaper al-Akhbar newspaper quoted Assad as saying in an interview due to be broadcast later on Thursday.

More of the missiles would arrive soon, he was quoted as saying.

Russia has said it would deliver the missile system to the Syrian government over Western objections, saying the move would help stabilize the regional balance.

A staunch ally of the Assad government, Moscow has appeared to grow more defiant since the European Union let its arms embargo on Syria expire, opening up the possibility of the West arming the rebels battling to topple the president. The embargo lapses on June 1.

The United States, France and Israel have all called on Russia to stop the missile delivery.


So much for the United Stated, French and Israel's foreign policy leverage, at least in the eyes of Gazpromia Russia, for whom preserving the veto power on Qatar gas pipelines into Europe is the only prerogative.

And just like Israel couldn't get enough of scaremongering about the Iranian nuclear facility in Fordow which was said would lead to the war if left unchecked (we are still waiting), now it is the turn to blindly accuse Syria of preemptive "defensive" violence:

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Officials in Israel, the United States' main ally in the region, say the S-300 could reach deep into the Jєωιѕн state and threaten flights over its main commercial airport near Tel Aviv.

Israel, wary of any Syrian weapons being sent to Hezbollah in Lebanon, has already launched three air strikes against Damascus to stop suspected transfers.

Sources close to the Russian weapons export monopoly Rosoboronexport said last year that an earlier agreed S-300 deal had been frozen due to concerns over violence in Syria. But one of the sources said Syria had already paid 20 percent of the contract price.

Earlier this month, Israel was reported to have told Washington that Syria had begun payments for a $900 million purchase of S-300s, with an initial deliver due within three months


So if the missiles, shown below, have indeed arrived, look for red flashing headlines about loud explosions in Syria in the next 24 hours. And after that, look for even redder flashier headlines, describing Russia's response.


(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/05/S-300_1_0.jpg)
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on May 30, 2013, 06:01:52 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Did Syria Sink an Israeli German Built Submarine?

Article from Veterans Today:

 http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/05/25/did-syria-sink-an-israeli-submarine/


I regret that this story may not be true.  The original source was
the TASS news agency. However, the story has been removed.

However in the area of the alleged submarine sinking, there is
a Hugh Russian Naval presence that includes a recovery vessel.
This has been confirmed.  
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on June 14, 2013, 10:40:16 PM
Data on chemical arms use by Assad fabricated - Russian MP

 (Reuters) / 14 June 2013

 A senior pro-Kremlin Russian lawmaker said on Friday that information on the use of chemical weapons by Syrian President Bashar Al Assad’s forces was fabricated and suggested the United States would use it to justify intervention in the conflict.

A US official said on Thursday that President Barack Obama has authorized sending US weapons to Syrian rebels for the first time, after the White House said it has proof the Syrian government had used chemical weapons against opposition forces.

“Information about the use by Assad of chemical weapons has been fabricated in the same place as the lies about (Saddam) Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction,” Alexei Pushkov, head of the foreign policy committee in the lower chamber of the Russian parliament, said on Twitter. “Obama is taking the same path as George Bush.”
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on June 16, 2013, 08:17:12 AM
Global Research provides an interesting analysis on the current situation.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-killed-the-syrian-peace-talks-the-rebels-have-been-defeated-is-the-war-over/5338917

Is the war in Syria over? No, because peace negotiations need to occur. Their absence is proof that the U.S. is not done with Syria yet:

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In war, the purpose of peace negotiations is to copy the situation on the battlefield and paste it to a treaty: the army winning the war enters negotiations from a dominant position, since its position is enforceable on the ground.


The rebels are all but defeated. Will the US accept this?

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“[Syrian] President Bashar al-Assad’s gains on the battlefield have called the United States’ strategy on Syria into question, prompting the Obama administration to again consider military options, including arming the rebels and conducting airstrikes to protect civilians and the Syrian opposition, administration officials said on Monday.”

...

Obama’s dream of having a post-Assad Syria is further complicated by the fact that Assad is apparently more popular than he has ever been.

Many Syrians that didn’t previously support Assad now do, having concluded that Assad in power is better than their country being obliterated in an Iraq-style invasion, or being dominated by Islamic extremists, as the majority of the Syrian rebel groups are.

Further helping Assad’s popularity is that Israel has bombed Syria recently on multiple occasions, while Syrians watch the unpopular United States funnels massive amounts of weapons to the rebels. As a result, Assad can now successfully portray himself as a defender of Syria’s sovereignty against foreign aggression.


No doubt you've all read about the decision by the U.S. to "arm the rebels" and likely enforce a no-fly-zone (air war on Syria). This could be the final straw.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/05/296664/us-builds-up-nuclear-threat-against-china/

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Press TV: Are we closer to a war between the United States and North Korea or are we just closer to a Korean war?

Billington: No I don’t think we’re particularly close to a Korean war. There could be a spark there, but as I’ve said many times and as Lyndon La Rouche has said many times, we are extremely close to a global nuclear war between the United States and Russia and China.

Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Maizar on June 19, 2013, 05:24:27 AM
Veterans Today still holds to its theory that Israel used a tactical mini nuclear weapon in Syria, saying that this crossed a "quiet red line" for Russia, and that a Dolphin class Israeli submarine was sunk in response. This is sensational reading, so it might be nothing more than sensationalism. For what it's worth, here it is:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/18/doomsday-weapons-to-syria-putin/

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With the Russian navy back in the Mediterranean and the Israelis threatening to attack their air defense weapons in transit, this gave the Russians no choice but to deploy all of their top line weapons systems to protect their defensive deployment. Unsaid has been that any pre-emptive attack on the Russians would be dealt with in a full response so that the attacking party could then explain to it's citizen once again why Syria was worth the devastation.

...

The following report comes to us from intelligence sources that have been able to confirm some of the “legend” behind the story.  If this is true, and we have confirmed that the S 300 missile defense system has been, for some weeks now, in the hands of the Syrian military despite denials by the “pop culture press,” Putin has made an interesting and very necessary move.

Now, reports indicate that the S 400 system is either inside Syria now or in the process of delivery.  There are no confirmations.  The S 400 system has a range of over 400 miles and is considered more than a decade ahead of the most advanced US counterpart.

...

Reports indicate that Saudi Arabia is moving vehicle mounted anti-tank systems into Syria, thus pushing Putin to trump Saudi’s move with a far more devastating system, the “Buratino,” capable of obliterating entire grid squares with thermobaric warheads.

...

With the Iskandar system in place, capable of clearing Golan Heights mine fields and underground bunkers, not to speak of defeating air defenses, these enhanced systems, if delivered as claimed, combined with recent Iranian improvements in vertical attack anti-ship missiles changes the balance of power in the Middle East.



I wonder if Obama likes to play chess?

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Putin is said to have demanded assurances that these weapons will not be used against Syria, the two mentioned here and others we are told are already deployed inside Syria with Russian technicians based on there not being a repetition of Israel’s nuclear attack of May 4, 2013, an attack made in response to the sinking of an Israeli Dolphin submarine near Syrian coastal waters.

As Russia is a sovereign nation dealing with the sovereign, legitimate government of Syria, some new arms which have never left Russia before [previously deployed in Syria] will be delivered to the Syrian military.

The Patriot Missiles will be hit and repealed with S 300 SAM [already installed in Syria]. Putin also threatened to deliver the more advanced S400 anti-aircraft missiles (see image below) far superior to the Patriot missiles and ranked as the World’s most advanced air defense system.

He added that Russia will also supply Syria with state-of –the-art 24-Barrel rocket launchers which have a range of 6 km ranked as the most developed artillery weapon of its kind.

He added that Russia will supply 400 of these launchers which will be able to destroy all targets around Syria’s borders.

A British intelligence report stated that Putin went to London bringing his own Russian cooked food and did not consume anything from Britain including water as he even brought his own water with him reportedly because he had concerns of being poisoned.

The British intelligence site stated that Putin threatened to send other secret Russian made weapons to Syria which would tip the balance of power even further in favour of Syria and re-iterated that these weapons will not be used against Israel on condition that Israel will not participate in the war within Syria and neighbouring countries. {Lebanon, Jordan]

Reportedly, the British PM’s response was very weak in relation to Putin’s threats.

Putin’s response came just over 24 hours after Obama’s statement on Saturday that he was going to arm the Syrian resistance.

Putin clearly stated that the Middle East is going to witness a significant change.  Syria will be armed with weapons that have never been seen before [in the Middle East] including computer guided smart missiles that never miss their target.

He also added that Russia will supply Syria with Skean 5 ground -to-sea missiles that are capable of hitting and sinking any target up to 250 km off the Syrian coast.

Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 21, 2013, 03:32:51 AM



Syria is looking like a serious hot spot these days.



Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: MiserereMeiDeus on August 27, 2013, 12:34:48 PM
Looks like Israel is going to get its lapdog, the United States, do its dirty work for it again.
May God have mercy on us all.
Title: Israel to invade Syria?
Post by: poche on August 27, 2013, 10:34:48 PM
I don't think Israel will invade Syria. I think it will be NATO and the US.