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Is War with China Inevitable?
« on: December 14, 2013, 01:38:03 PM »
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  • Is War With China Inevitable?

    by Tyler Durden

    As a general rule, extreme economic decline is almost always followed by extreme international conflict. Sometimes, these disasters can be attributed to the human survival imperative and the desire to accuмulate resources during crisis. But most often, war amid fiscal distress is usually a means for the political and financial elite to distract the masses away from their empty wallets and empty stomachs.

    War galvanizes societies, usually under false pretenses. I’m not talking about superficial “police actions” or absurd crusades to “spread democracy” to Third World enclaves that don’t want it. No, I’m talking about REAL war: war that threatens the fabric of a culture, war that tumbles violently across people’s doorsteps. The reality of near-total annihilation is what oligarchs use to avoid blame for economic distress while molding nations and populations.

    Because of the very predictable correlation between financial catastrophe and military conflagration, it makes quite a bit of sense for Americans today to be concerned. Never before in history has our country been so close to full-spectrum economic collapse, the kind that kills currencies and simultaneously plunges hundreds of millions of people into poverty. It is a collapse that has progressed thanks to the deliberate efforts of international financiers and central banks. It only follows that the mind-boggling scale of the situation would “require” a grand distraction to match.

    It is difficult to predict what form this distraction will take and where it will begin, primarily because the elites have so many options. The Mideast is certainly an ever-looming possibility. Iran is a viable catalyst. Syria is not entirely off the table. Saudi Arabia and Israel are now essentially working together, forming a strange alliance that could promise considerable turmoil — even without the aid of the United States. Plenty of Americans still fear the Al Qaeda bogeyman, and a terrorist attack is not hard to fabricate. However, when I look at the shift of economic power and military deployment, the potential danger areas appear to be growing not only in the dry deserts of Syria and Iran, but also in the politically volatile waters of the East China Sea.

    China is THE key to any outright implosion of the U.S. monetary system. Other countries, like Saudi Arabia, may play a part; but ultimately it will be China that deals the decisive blow against the dollar’s world reserve status. China’s dollar and Treasury bond holdings could be used as a weapon to trigger a global sell-off of dollar-denominated assets. China has stopped future increases of dollar forex holdings, and has cut the use of the dollar in bilateral trade agreements with multiple countries.  Oil-producing nations are shifting alliances to China because it is now the world’s largest consumer of petroleum. And, China has clearly been preparing for this eventuality for years. So, given these circuмstances, how can the U.S. government conceive of confrontation with the East? Challenging one’s creditors to a duel does not usually end well. At the very least, it would be economic ѕυιcιdє. But perhaps that is the point. Perhaps America is meant to make this seemingly idiotic leap.

    Here are just some of the signs of a buildup to conflict...

    Currency Wars And Shooting Wars

    In March 2009, U.S. military and intelligence officials gathered to participate in a simulated war game [25], a hypothetical economic struggle between the United States and China.

    The conclusions of the war game were ominous. The participants determined that there was no way for the United States to win in an economic battle with China. The Chinese had a counterstrategy to every U.S. effort and an ace up their sleeve – namely, their U.S. dollar reserves, which they could use as a monetary neutron bomb, a chain reaction that would result in the abandonment of the dollar by exporters around the world . They also found that China has been quietly accuмulating hard assets (including land and gold) across globe, using sovereign wealth funds, government-controlled front companies, and private equity funds to make the purchases. China could use these tangible assets as a hedge to protect against the eventual devaluation of its U.S. dollar and Treasury holdings, meaning the losses on its remaining U.S. financial investments was acceptable should it decide to crush the dollar.

    The natural response of those skeptical of the war game and its findings is to claim that the American military would be the ultimate trump card and probable response to a Chinese economic threat. Of course, China’s relationship with Russia suggests a possible alliance against such an action and would definitely negate the use of nuclear weapons (unless the elites plan nuclear Armageddon). That said, it is highly likely that the U.S. government would respond with military action to a Chinese dollar dump, not unlike Germany’s rise to militarization and totalitarianism after the hyperinflationary implosion of the mark. The idea that anyone except the internationalists could “win” such a venture, though, is foolish.

    I would suggest that this may actually be the plan of globalists in the United States and their counterparts in Asia and Europe. China’s rise to financial prominence is not due to its economic prowess. In fact, China is ripe with poor fiscal judgment calls and infrastructure projects that have gone nowhere. But what China does have on its side are massive capital inflows from global banks and corporations, mainly based in the United States and the European Union. And, it has help in the spread of its currency (the Yuan) from entities like JPMorgan Chase and Co. The International Monetary Fund is seeking to include China in its global basket currency, the SDR, which would give China even more leverage to use in breaking the dollar’s reserve status. Corporate financiers and central bankers have made it more than possible for China to kill the dollar [26], which they openly suggest is a “good thing.” [27]

    Is it possible that the war game scenarios carried out by the Pentagon and elitist think-tanks like the RAND Corporation were not meant to prevent a war with China, but to ensure one takes place?

    The Senkaku Islands

    Every terrible war has a trigger point, an event that history books later claim “started it all.” For the Spanish-American War, it was the bombing of the USS Maine. For World War I it was the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. For U.S. involvement in World War I, it was the sinking of the Lusitania by a German U-Boat. For U.S. involvement in World War II, it was the attack on Pearl Harbor. For Vietnam, it was the Gulf of Tonkin Incident (I recommend readers look into the hidden history behind all of these events). While the initial outbreak of war always appears to be spontaneous, the reality is that most wars are planned far in advance.

    As evidence indicates, China has been deliberately positioned to levy an economic blow against the United States. Our government is fully aware what the results of that attack will be, considering they have gamed the scenario multiple times. And, by RAND Corporation’s own admission, China and the United States have been preparing for physical confrontation for some time, centered on the concept of pre-emptive strikes [28].  Meaning, the response both sides have exclusively trained for in the event of confrontation is to attack the other first!

    The seemingly simple and petty dispute over the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea actually provides a perfect environment for the pre-emptive powder keg to explode.

    China has recently declared an “air defense zone” that extends over the islands, which Japan has already claimed as its own. China, South Korea and the United States have all moved to defy this defense zone. South Korea has even extended its own air defense zone to overlap China’s [29].

    China has responded with warnings that its military aircraft will now monitor the region and demands that other nations provide it with civilian airline flight paths.  China has also stated that it plans to create MORE arbitrary defense zones [30] in the near future.

    The U.S. government under Barack Obama has long planned a military shift into the Pacific, which is meant specifically to counter China’s increased presence. It’s almost as if the White House knew a confrontation was coming [31].

    The shift is now accelerating due to the Senkaku situation, as the U.S. transfers submarine-hunting jets [32] to Japan while pledging full support for Japan [33] should war ignite.

    And most recently, the Japanese press has suggested that war between the two countries could erupt as early as January [33].

    China, with its limited navy, has focused more of its energy and funding into advanced missile technologies — including “ship killers,” which fly too low and fast to be detected with current radar.  This is the same strategy of cheap compact precision warfare being adopted by countries like Syria and Iran, and it is designed specifically to disrupt tradition American military tactics.

    Currently, very little diplomatic headway has been made or attempted in regards to the Senkaku Islands. The culmination of various ingredients so far makes for a sour stew.

    All that is required now is that one trigger event — that one ironic “twist of fate” that mainstream historians love so much, the spark that lights the fuse. China could suddenly sell a mass quantity of U.S. Treasuries, perhaps in response to the renewed debt debate next spring. The United States could use pre-emption to take down a Chinese military plane or submarine.  A random missile could destroy a passenger airliner traveling through the defense zone, and both sides could blame each other. The point is nothing good could come from the escalation over Senkaku.

    Why Is War Useful?

    What could possibly be gained by fomenting a war between the United States and China?  What could possibly be gained by throwing America's economy, the supposed "goose that lays the golden eggs", to the fiscal wolves?  As stated earlier, distraction is paramount, and fear is valuable political and social capital.

    Global financiers created the circuмstances that have led to America’s probable economic demise, but they don’t want to be blamed for it. War provides the perfect cover for monetary collapse, and a war with China might become the cover to end all covers. The resulting fiscal damage and the terror Americans would face could be overwhelming. Activists who question the legitimacy of the U.S. government and its actions, once considered champions of free speech, could easily be labeled “treasonous” during wartime by authorities and the frightened masses. (If the government is willing to use the Internal Revenue Service against us today, just think about who it will send after us during the chaos of a losing war tomorrow.) A lockdown of civil liberties could be instituted behind the fog of this national panic.

    Primarily, war tends to influence the masses to agree to more centralization, to relinquish their rights in the name of the “greater good”, and to accept less transparency in government and more power in the hands of fewer people. Most important, though, is war's usefulness as a philosophical manipulation after the dust has settled.

    After nearly every war of the 20th and 21st century, the subsequent propaganda implies one message in particular: National sovereignty, or nationalism, is the cause of all our problems. The establishment then claims that there is only one solution that will solve these problems: globalization. This article by Andrew Hunter [34], the chairman of the Australian Fabian Society, is exactly the kind of narrative I expect to hear if conflict arises between the United States and China.

    National identity and sovereignty are the scapegoats, and the Fabians (globalist propagandists) are quick to point a finger. Their assertion is that nation states should no longer exist, borders should be erased and a one-world economic system and government should be founded. Only then will war and financial strife end. Who will be in charge of this interdependent one world utopia? I’ll give you three guesses...

    The Fabians, of course, make no mention of global bankers and their instigation of nearly every war and depression for the past 100 years; and these are invariably the same people that will end up in positions of authority if globalization comes to fruition. What the majority of people do not yet understand is that globalists have no loyalties to any particular country, and they are perfectly willing to sacrifice governments, economies, even entire cultures, in the pursuit of their "ideal society".  "Order out of chaos" is their motto, after all.  The bottom line is that a war between China and the United States will not be caused by national sovereignty. Rather, it will be caused by elitists looking for a way to END national sovereignty. That’s why such a hypothetical conflict, a conflict that has been gamed by think tanks for years, is likely to be forced into reality.
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    Offline Anthony Benedict

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    Is War with China Inevitable?
    « Reply #1 on: December 15, 2013, 01:52:36 PM »
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  • Short answer: "Yes - IF."

    IF China remains committed to its published agenda, they will not shy away from open conflict.

    That they'll get the snot kicked outta them in one month doesn't bother them a bit, either. Lots and lots of replacements available.

    BUT - the ChiComs have no adequate lift capacity to even invade Taiwan, no blue water navy worth spitting at and they cannot gain and hold air superiority.

    Add in that every one of their neighbors hates their stinking commie guts as much as we do, and they are definitely not ready for prime time.

    Asymmetrically, they have and they can still raise cob.

    But that's a two-way street.


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    Is War with China Inevitable?
    « Reply #2 on: December 16, 2013, 05:15:05 PM »
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  •    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: NO. :facepalm: :facepalm:  :facepalm:

    China will never go to war with the USA or vice versa. NEVER. At least not in our lifetime. China and the USA are in a symbiotic economic relationship. If USA stopped trading with China they'd tank into a 3rd world nation. America would also be hit hard but it has the resources to make a quick recovery and establish a manufacturing sector. 2. The USA would annihilate China into the ocean in a war. The USA has to most powerful navy in the history of mankind. They could completely obliterate the navies of NATO and Russia/China combined, without question. A good navy is mandatory for having a world empire (see British Empire) and America is in a league of its own. The USA's navy is greater than the rest of the worlds navies like Alpha Centauri is far from earth.


    Red China = paper dragon



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    Is War with China Inevitable?
    « Reply #3 on: December 16, 2013, 06:34:56 PM »
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  • My guess is that the overwhelming military strength of the US is also its greatest weakness.  If the US is hamstrung by a natural disaster then the other players would, very likely, move against it at that point sensing that it was their best and only chance to topple the US as the only remaining superpower.

    I think the Fatima prophecies and other Catholic prophecies that appear to apply to our age look most likely to happen in a world where the US is somehow removed from the international picture.  Most likely way seems to be a large natural disaster.

    But in an all out war tomorrow, I agree, no country would stand a chance against US naval and air power.

    I think Russia and China would fight, relatively speaking, "better" in a situation of chaos in the world.  They are more used to chaos.

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    Is War with China Inevitable?
    « Reply #4 on: December 17, 2013, 08:16:23 AM »
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  • I think Solidus is right.  While the USA and China may have friction in their relationship, they are far too dependent on each other economically to go to war.  Yes, they are the world's two largest economies, but if you take US purchases away from China, China's economy collapses.  If you take Chinese manufacturing away from US consumers, the US economy collapses.  A few spats over territory, military observation, or US allies in the region isn't going to change this basic fact.

    Additionally, despite all the doom and gloom from so many people out there, the US economy is not going to collapse anytime soon.  The US is 25% of the world's economy.  If it goes, so goes the world.  Yes, China is catching up, but its economy is still only half the size of the US, and, as stated above, it is interdependent on the US for survival.

    If, down the road (and by this, I mean several decades), the two countries are somehow able to grow far less dependent on each other than they currently are, then perhaps there is a possibility of war, but I doubt it.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 17, 2013, 08:45:01 AM »
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  • I was basically going to say, jestingly, what Dolores said seriously.

    Imagine the US having to hand over their armaments when China pulls their past-due accounts. Then imagine China sitting on tons of equipment they can't sell to the US because they've put them under an embargo for non-payment!

    Actually, in God's gracious providence, it's this "gunfighter's truce" that keeps us from war.

    What would be truly tragic to see would be China press-ganging their poor slave-laborers in their factories into military service. The world's outcry would make the news-wires burn up.

    It's almost analogous to the crisis in Newchurch with all the Sodomites in charge. The people that should be pitied and served and prayed for are being advanced in the ranks of an army they are totally unfit to serve in.

    Kyrie eleison.

    St. Joseph, patron of the Church, pray for us.

    St. Jude, missionary apostle, pray for us.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

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    « Reply #6 on: December 17, 2013, 09:20:40 AM »
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  • I am not sure you would have to press gang them, not the majority anyway.

    During the Korean War they managed to have wave after wave of Chinese soldier run into machine gun fire.  The South Korean and US machine gun barrels overheated from shooting so many rounds, but still they kept on coming running over the dead bodies of their fellow soldiers.

    The Oriental mind is not like that of the Occidentals'.  They are a groupthink culture.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 03:35:13 PM »
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  • The U.S. has a greater navy (and air force), but China is not impotent in the waters. They have nuclear submarines that can nail the U.S. and any U.S. ally in the Pacific. China also hold trillions of American debt. All China has to do to ruin what's left of the U.S economy is to sell the trillions of T-bills.  

    China also has many more foot soldiers than the U.S., and they are hard core fanatics about their state. The U.S. military is overextended and exhausted from all of the wars the past 12 years.

    To ensure victory by the U.S. while averting nuclear deployments on both sides, the likes of Fort Detrick would have to be employed to "invade" the large "cell" of mainland China.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #8 on: December 19, 2013, 09:13:29 AM »
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  • A recent news item regarding the Chinese

    'Chinese put €300m into international UCD campus'
    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/education/chinese-put-300m-into-international-ucd-campus-29840802.html
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    UNIVERSITY College Dublin is to open a campus in China.



    In Ireland there is a prophecy stating "the yellow man will water his horses by the shores of Lough Neagh".

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    « Reply #9 on: December 19, 2013, 11:18:34 AM »
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  • Two points:  

    1)  The US military is over-extended and in decline.  

    2)  War is the big, red financial reset button.
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    « Reply #10 on: December 22, 2013, 02:58:44 AM »
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  • The problem with China is it is unpredictable. That is because no one really knows who is calling the shots.

    It is no secret that the Chinese military's stated goal is to defeat the US military in a war within 5 years. A decade ago the Chinese Army began a program. This program was that it would take 10% of their military and train that 10% to NATA standards and match man for man the US in special forces capabilities.

    As for the economies, it would take China 40s years at its current economic growth to match the economy of the USA and then China would still have 4x the population to feed.

    The stalemate is nuclear weapons. If a war breaks out, once it goes beyond a limited regional conflict you can join the atheists in praising the gifts of science as your eyeballs are melting out of your face.

    If war does break out in January, we should all be dead before Valentines Day. :boxer:


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    « Reply #11 on: December 22, 2013, 04:51:02 PM »
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  • There is no doubt China is no longer the "Sleeping Giant", rather she is strolling "peacefully" through the gardens appearing to be focused on her own being. Yet, she waits patiently to bum-rush the American wolf, eagle, ram and white tail deer. She waits patiently while knowing the present is not the right time, because if she acts too hastily, the Chinese troops will suffer the bloodiest guerrilla war by American citizens in the history of the earth. She must wait for America's own demons to continue to possess the American soul - to weaken it and divide it - then she will pounce.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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  • Confirmed: China Conducts First Test of New Hypersonic Missile Vehicle traveling 10 time the speed of sound, and capable of carrying nuclear warheads. These missiles can penetrate American defense systems; and they can be used as conventional payloads to destroy any U.S. Navy carrier in the world.

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    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    « Reply #13 on: March 06, 2014, 09:37:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    A recent news item regarding the Chinese

    'Chinese put €300m into international UCD campus'
    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/education/chinese-put-300m-into-international-ucd-campus-29840802.html
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    UNIVERSITY College Dublin is to open a campus in China.



    In Ireland there is a prophecy stating:
     
    "The yellow man will water his horses by the shores of Lough Neagh."


























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    « Reply #14 on: March 06, 2014, 09:54:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: ascent
    There is no doubt China is no longer the "Sleeping Giant", rather she is strolling "peacefully" through the gardens appearing to be focused on her own being. Yet, she waits patiently to bum-rush the American wolf, eagle, ram and white tail deer. She waits patiently while knowing the present is not the right time, because if she acts too hastily, the Chinese troops will suffer the bloodiest guerrilla war by American citizens in the history of the earth. She must wait for America's own demons to continue to possess the American soul - to weaken it and divide it - then she will pounce.


    China 'waits' -- and is very busy.  But in the meanwhile, Obama and the American-hating liberals disarm citizens, punish those who are not criminals, open the borders for illegal aliens (called "migrant immigration"), turn a blind eye to human trafficking and drug cartel gangsters, and put border guards in jail when they do their job well.  

    China is busy with cyber-warfare development.  There is an ancient Chinese proverb that says the best war is a war that is won without firing a shot.  All they have to do is shut down the GRID in America, by propagating a nationwide Internet overload, and by jamming the US military's radio signals with noise, or an electromagnetic pulse bomb, and we would be defenseless just long enough for the Chinese to seize power.  The first announcements we would hear when the 'media' comes back on, would be in Chinese.  

    They don't have to gain control of the Panama Canal because they already have it.

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