Author Topic: is Russia the enemy? (Read 2726 times)

jman123 · « **on:** April 05, 2016, 03:16:31 PM »

Us foreign policy is very anti Russia. Is there some merit to this? Not sure.

ihsv · « **Reply #1 on:** April 05, 2016, 07:43:23 PM »

Sometimes both sides are in the wrong.

Prayerful · « **Reply #2 on:** April 05, 2016, 07:46:43 PM »

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Sometimes both sides are in the wrong.

I think that's it.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2016, 05:08:06 PM »

I am not convinced that Russia is the enemy.

songbird · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2016, 05:17:23 PM »

Russia is the instrument of the evil error in the world.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2016, 01:45:35 AM »

Putin has his agenda in Russia, and Communism still has its presence. The thing is though that Russia, in my humble opinion, in good time may or will outdo the United States of America. For one thing, aside from the future conversion of the nation to the Catholic faith as predicted by Our Lady at Fatima, Russia has a stronger cultural foundation. What does the U.S.A. have? Pop culture and a pluralistic melting pot that lacks coherence and central identity. Sure, there are actually some good and wholesome parts of the U.S. that have substantial cultural roots, but they are more local as opposed to national and risk being lost or are being lost. I am sorry if I speak off topic here, but in taking things back to the original topic, I would say that the U.S. government and Israel are the enemy, but Russia is something of a tool being used by the powers that be still even though Putin has done some apparently good things.

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2016, 10:41:18 AM »

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I am not convinced that Russia is the enemy.

You probably find Russia appealing because they seem to have themselves put together. They're fighting Islam intensely and they are supposedly far more Traditional than the US. But what you don't hear about is the fact that Russia currently has a negative population growth due to unprecedented rates of abortions.

They will outlaw rainbow flags but not abortion? Sounds like someone is playing on both sides of the fence.

Earl of Devonshire · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2016, 12:55:58 PM »

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Quote from: Capt McQuigg
I am not convinced that Russia is the enemy.

You probably find Russia appealing because they seem to have themselves put together. They're fighting Islam intensely and they are supposedly far more Traditional than the US. But what you don't hear about is the fact that Russia currently has a negative population growth due to unprecedented rates of abortions.

They will outlaw rainbow flags but not abortion? Sounds like someone is playing on both sides of the fence.

The amount of abortions in Russia are reducing and it's becoming harder to get them. In 2000 there were 2,138,800 abortions. This year ate down to 929,963. Less than half in just 15 years... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_WWII

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2016, 05:16:28 PM »

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Quote from: Capt McQuigg
I am not convinced that Russia is the enemy.

You probably find Russia appealing because they seem to have themselves put together. They're fighting Islam intensely and they are supposedly far more Traditional than the US. But what you don't hear about is the fact that Russia currently has a negative population growth due to unprecedented rates of abortions.

They will outlaw rainbow flags but not abortion? Sounds like someone is playing on both sides of the fence.

The amount of abortions in Russia are reducing and it's becoming harder to get them. In 2000 there were 2,138,800 abortions. This year ate down to 929,963. Less than half in just 15 years... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_WWII

Still large enough to effect the overall population growth negatively and one should note the advancements of contraceptives in these past 15 years. Also where did you come by it becoming harder to get an abortion in Russia? Are they passing new legislation on the matter, because that would be welcome news indeed!

But still, they are experiencing an overall negative population growth, either from economic instability or the willful use of contraceptives. What little growth Russia does have is most likely immigrants or the offspring of immigrants.

Earl of Devonshire · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2016, 05:30:36 PM »

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I am not convinced that Russia is the enemy.

You probably find Russia appealing because they seem to have themselves put together. They're fighting Islam intensely and they are supposedly far more Traditional than the US. But what you don't hear about is the fact that Russia currently has a negative population growth due to unprecedented rates of abortions.

They will outlaw rainbow flags but not abortion? Sounds like someone is playing on both sides of the fence.

The amount of abortions in Russia are reducing and it's becoming harder to get them. In 2000 there were 2,138,800 abortions. This year ate down to 929,963. Less than half in just 15 years... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_WWII

Still large enough to effect the overall population growth negatively and one should note the advancements of contraceptives in these past 15 years. Also where did you come by it becoming harder to get an abortion in Russia? Are they passing new legislation on the matter, because that would be welcome news indeed!

But still, they are experiencing an overall negative population growth, either from economic instability or the willful use of contraceptives. What little growth Russia does have is most likely immigrants or the offspring of immigrants.

It's clear it's harder to get one if they half in 15 years... Also the birth rate of Russia is rising and its population growth is in the positive. Like in most federal subjects of Russia the birth rate is on the up.

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2016, 07:15:54 PM »

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Quote from: Capt McQuigg
I am not convinced that Russia is the enemy.

You probably find Russia appealing because they seem to have themselves put together. They're fighting Islam intensely and they are supposedly far more Traditional than the US. But what you don't hear about is the fact that Russia currently has a negative population growth due to unprecedented rates of abortions.

They will outlaw rainbow flags but not abortion? Sounds like someone is playing on both sides of the fence.

The amount of abortions in Russia are reducing and it's becoming harder to get them. In 2000 there were 2,138,800 abortions. This year ate down to 929,963. Less than half in just 15 years... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_WWII

Still large enough to effect the overall population growth negatively and one should note the advancements of contraceptives in these past 15 years. Also where did you come by it becoming harder to get an abortion in Russia? Are they passing new legislation on the matter, because that would be welcome news indeed!

But still, they are experiencing an overall negative population growth, either from economic instability or the willful use of contraceptives. What little growth Russia does have is most likely immigrants or the offspring of immigrants.

It's clear it's harder to get one if they half in 15 years... Also the birth rate of Russia is rising and its population growth is in the positive. Like in most federal subjects of Russia the birth rate is on the up.

Just because it halved doesn't mean it's harder. Contraceptives have come a long way in the past 15 years and that is much more likely than some nationwide moral epiphany.

The current population growth of Russia is -0.01% as of 2016. Source:http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

Earl of Devonshire · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2016, 05:27:52 AM »

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Quote from: Capt McQuigg
I am not convinced that Russia is the enemy.

You probably find Russia appealing because they seem to have themselves put together. They're fighting Islam intensely and they are supposedly far more Traditional than the US. But what you don't hear about is the fact that Russia currently has a negative population growth due to unprecedented rates of abortions.

They will outlaw rainbow flags but not abortion? Sounds like someone is playing on both sides of the fence.

The amount of abortions in Russia are reducing and it's becoming harder to get them. In 2000 there were 2,138,800 abortions. This year ate down to 929,963. Less than half in just 15 years... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_WWII

Still large enough to effect the overall population growth negatively and one should note the advancements of contraceptives in these past 15 years. Also where did you come by it becoming harder to get an abortion in Russia? Are they passing new legislation on the matter, because that would be welcome news indeed!

But still, they are experiencing an overall negative population growth, either from economic instability or the willful use of contraceptives. What little growth Russia does have is most likely immigrants or the offspring of immigrants.

It's clear it's harder to get one if they half in 15 years... Also the birth rate of Russia is rising and its population growth is in the positive. Like in most federal subjects of Russia the birth rate is on the up.

Just because it halved doesn't mean it's harder. Contraceptives have come a long way in the past 15 years and that is much more likely than some nationwide moral epiphany.

The current population growth of Russia is -0.01% as of 2016. Source:http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia#Current_law Russia has been putting a fair few restrictions on it and more seem to be coming. Also how would the birth rates rise if everyone was just using contraception instead?

AnonymousCatholic · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2016, 08:20:58 AM »

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I am not convinced that Russia is the enemy.

You probably find Russia appealing because they seem to have themselves put together. They're fighting Islam intensely and they are supposedly far more Traditional than the US. But what you don't hear about is the fact that Russia currently has a negative population growth due to unprecedented rates of abortions.

They will outlaw rainbow flags but not abortion? Sounds like someone is playing on both sides of the fence.

The amount of abortions in Russia are reducing and it's becoming harder to get them. In 2000 there were 2,138,800 abortions. This year ate down to 929,963. Less than half in just 15 years... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#After_WWII

Still large enough to effect the overall population growth negatively and one should note the advancements of contraceptives in these past 15 years. Also where did you come by it becoming harder to get an abortion in Russia? Are they passing new legislation on the matter, because that would be welcome news indeed!

But still, they are experiencing an overall negative population growth, either from economic instability or the willful use of contraceptives. What little growth Russia does have is most likely immigrants or the offspring of immigrants.

It's clear it's harder to get one if they half in 15 years... Also the birth rate of Russia is rising and its population growth is in the positive. Like in most federal subjects of Russia the birth rate is on the up.

Just because it halved doesn't mean it's harder. Contraceptives have come a long way in the past 15 years and that is much more likely than some nationwide moral epiphany.

The current population growth of Russia is -0.01% as of 2016. Source:http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/russia-population/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia#Current_law Russia has been putting a fair few restrictions on it and more seem to be coming. Also how would the birth rates rise if everyone was just using contraception instead?

They aren't rising though. Every page I've looked at on the subject says that the current birth rates are dropping. I mention contraceptives in the case of why the abortion rates have decreased. It's much easier to "play it safe" with contraceptives than get an abortion. Cheaper too. Wikipedia is not a reliable source seeing as how it requires a reader to go on and edit it contrary to the source I've listed which is updating yearly according to the Russian consensus (or whatever the Russians call it).

Russia does have restrictions on abortion up to 12 weeks for a regular abortion and 22 weeks for cases of rape. They also don't allow morning after pills unless it's a medical emergency.

But Russia is pushing these current restrictions because it's becoming too costly for the state to keep covering someones 29th abortion (something quite common in Russia). But contraceptives are quite common in Russia and are easily obtained.

As much as we would like it, Russia is not a traditional nation and is just as bad as every other nation on the planet.

Croixalist · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2016, 01:17:08 PM »

Russia knows its enemies better than we know ourselves. Trads are easy targets, we wear our hearts on our sleeves! All Putin (or Trump) has to do is sing our tune, no matter how big a lie it may be. Most of us don't have the stomach to fight against the military grade deception being cranked out on a regular basis. No consecration= no Catholic Russia= No dice. Learn it, accept it, move on.

Nadir · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2016, 05:08:48 PM »

Don't want to derail but thought I might here point out the following:

AC said:

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It's much easier to "play it safe" with contraceptives than get an abortion.

I would not expect you young chaps to know, as many older women do not know either. It is not a matter of either.. or. If you use contraception, unless you are infertile, there is a high probability that
1. you are unconsciously aborting during the very early days of of your child's life
or
2. your contraception will, occasionally, fail to do its work (failure is in its design) and you will then resort to abortion.

The Alan Guttmacher Institute has stated that 54% of abortions are a result of failed contraception.

Now back to Russia...