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Iran: "Great war to wipe out Israel is coming"
« on: November 15, 2006, 08:56:38 AM »
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    Iran: "Great war to wipe out Israel is coming"
    « Reply #1 on: November 15, 2006, 11:45:09 AM »
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    What is this about Bush compromising?  Any hope he'll let Israel deal with its own mess?  Probably not.


    Reflection on the matter need to fit the following matrix.

    - U.S. as huge interest in the Middle-East.
    - Israel will not tolerate a nuclear Iran.
    - Israel has the military means to take out the underground sites, but only using nuclear technology.
    - U.S.  has the military means to take out the underground sites, without using nuclear technology.
    - Are U.S. interest in the Middle-East better served by taking action itself with conventional means or with Isreal taking nuclear action.

    I can assure you, US interest is not well served in any scenario, but an Isreal nuclear strike is the worse scenario.

    If your thinking strays to much from the above items, your floating above the problem without really undertanding the stakes.


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    Iran: "Great war to wipe out Israel is coming"
    « Reply #2 on: November 15, 2006, 01:50:16 PM »
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    Perhaps US businesses have an interest in the Middle East, but the US people do not.  This country was not created to make a few people filthy rich, and people were not born to fight and die so those few could be filthy rich.  We have no stake in the life or death of either arabs or Jєωs, nor do their fights have anything to do with us.  So I beg to differ, the US has no interest in the Middle East.


    It's not really a point of discussion.  It's a fact.  Your personal point of view on the matter remains just that -  A personal point of view.  U.S. still sees huge stakes in the Middle-East, wither you agree with that fact or not.

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    Iran: "Great war to wipe out Israel is coming"
    « Reply #3 on: November 15, 2006, 07:02:31 PM »
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  • Your trying my patience Trinity.

    The United States of America as huge interest in the Middle-East.

    This is not an opinion. It's not a reflection of my personality. It's not for you or me to agree.  It's a fact and an obvious one to.

    ChantCD is all gung ho in describing the dangers of peek Oil.  Imagine what it would on the energy markets if there would be an open war in the middle-east.

    I did not express any opinions, only blocked-in grossly the strategic problems of letting Isreal go at it alone. If you can't handle this, take glass of whisky and go to bed. Hopefully you'll feel better tomorrow.  

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    Iran: "Great war to wipe out Israel is coming"
    « Reply #4 on: November 15, 2006, 07:22:51 PM »
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    You didn't answer my question Vandaler.  Who is the United States of America?  It appears that you are the one who can't handle a specific answer to a specific question.  We'll get to the rest when we define/name this entity with all these interests in the Middle East.  And I'll get to the whiskey and my bed when it is time.


    Actually, it's the world that have interest in stable supplies and markets... You and me.  

    Added: The U.S. is acting on what it knows to be it's best interest, stable markets and economic growth


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    Iran: "Great war to wipe out Israel is coming"
    « Reply #5 on: November 15, 2006, 07:55:11 PM »
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    In spite of your tossing the world in there, I am going to take it that you are saying the US is us, you and me.  If that is so, you are correct.  It is not Bush; it is not Exxon; it is not Sam Brownback; it is not ADL; it is not the Supreme Court.  It is the people.  You and me.

    Now you seem to be saying our big stakes over there are stable supplies and markets.  I'll buy that.  You and I want our...wait a minute!  What the heck is it we want from Israel? Or from Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc?  What is it we can't get anywhere else which is SO important to us that we are willing to sacrifice our children to get it?  In absolute honesty, Vandaler, would you be willing to fight and die for these commodities?  Would you be willing to kill thousands of people for these things?  Think about it in terms of blood and guts, which are the terms at which they are being bought now.  

    Then perhaps you and I, the United States of America, could talk about alternatives.  And leave those who want war, who see war as the only alternative to get whatever it is they want, to stand alone.  


    I am one to think that no war will come of it...  But one can't help notice and worry at how delicate the balance has become.

    Like I wrote in another thread, Iran is posturing most likely.  Not so many countries have the weapon, and they obtained it all the same way.. secretly.  Not by announcing how much progress they have made every two weeks to world media.  This is all posturing and setting the table for negociations.