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Offline Traditional Guy 20

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How the Left made the Islamic world hate us
« on: January 01, 2015, 07:18:50 AM »
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  • Before anyone says anything I am fully aware of the role Bush and the neoconservatives played in their intervention in the Middle East (neoconservatism comes from left-wing Trotskyism and Social Democracy anyway), something my liberal friends have agreed with me on, but a few points I make which they get very angry at is how the Left played a role in this hatred that the Islamic world has for America.

    For instance before Bush even came into office Bill Clinton and Madeline Albright had already put female combat soldiers on their holy land of Mecca and Medina, whom Osama bin Laden called our "temple prostitutes," Bill Clinton had bombed Iraq and put sanctions on Iraq that killed half-a-million Iraqi children, and one must also not forget the role the cultural left in Hollywood played in why Muslims hate us.

    For instance Muslims hate the erotic sexual scenes that play in Hollywood films, just as they hate that we give homosexuals the right to marry, and that we give women the power to be leaders in our way of life like Hillary Clinton. The Islamic world also hates our drugs and alcohol that we support, and our filthy magazines and satanic music along with our support of abortion. Our values of religious tolerance here in the West under a secular-permissive and liberal democracy is seen by Muslims as indifference to religion when they see their religion as a deadly serious matter.

    All of these events before Bush came to office really explains why the Arab world hates us.


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    How the Left made the Islamic world hate us
    « Reply #1 on: January 01, 2015, 10:01:23 AM »
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  • The hatred of the United States by Muslims existed before Clinton took office.

    The Arab world began really hating the west, and the United States in particular, because of the creation of the State of Isreal after WWII, and the United States' constant support of it ever since then.  The straw the broke the camel's back for Osama bin Laden and al-quaeda was the Gulf War in the early 1990s (under Bush Sr.).  They thought that the presence of western troops in Saudi Arabia, for the purpose of killing Iraqi Muslims, was a desecration of their "holy" land that needed to be avenged.


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    How the Left made the Islamic world hate us
    « Reply #2 on: January 01, 2015, 10:37:30 AM »
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  • You're wrong - Islam really hates us for what we were (Christendom), and not what we are.  The conquest of Rome and subjugation of the Catholic Church has always been the ultimate goal of the Islamic world, and they've come within a hair's breadth of achieving this goal many times. It was only on account of the actions of Catholic heroes, men like Charles Martel, Pope Urban II, Richard the Lionheart, Janos Hunyadi, Skanderbeg, Pope Pius V, Philip II and Jan Sobieski that Christendom was saved from total destruction.

    You think Muslims have an issue with homosexuality? Please. Homosexuality has always been rife within the Islamic world. In the Islamic mind, sodomites aren't "gay" if they are sodomizing younger males or men with effeminate features.  

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    Muslims are also the most fanatical consumers of pornography in the world. Muslim nations top the statistics for internet pornography searches, including for "gay sex", "animal sex", "child sex", "fat sex", "rape sex" and "shemale sex".

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Pornography





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    « Reply #3 on: January 01, 2015, 10:57:53 AM »
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  • Homosexual pedophilia in the Quran:

    http://quran.com/76/19

    In paradise:

    "There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them as beautiful as scattered pearls."

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    How the Left made the Islamic world hate us
    « Reply #4 on: January 01, 2015, 11:04:01 AM »
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  • Goodness sakes, we have been fighting the Holy war with muslims/islam for centuries, back to about 350 A D.  Not only that, they look for hookers in heaven!


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    « Reply #5 on: January 01, 2015, 05:01:47 PM »
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  • I've been convinced for a while that the Islamic world's hatred of the West is mostly due to Israel.

    They don't like the Jewish state and see it as illegitimate territory because of how it was formed by the UN. That's why one can't travel with an Israeli passport to any Muslim country - to them, Israel is not a country.
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    How the Left made the Islamic world hate us
    « Reply #6 on: January 02, 2015, 07:26:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: JezusDeKoning
    I've been convinced for a while that the Islamic world's hatred of the West is mostly due to Israel.

    They don't like the Jewish state and see it as illegitimate territory because of how it was formed by the UN. That's why one can't travel with an Israeli passport to any Muslim country - to them, Israel is not a country.


    Well obviously our one-sided support of Israel is a reason why the Islamic world hates us and is supported by both parties in Congress.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 02, 2015, 07:30:06 AM »
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    Goodness sakes, we have been fighting the Holy war with muslims/islam for centuries, back to about 350 A D.  Not only that, they look for hookers in heaven!


    You seem to have female emotion over how Islam sees women. :wink:

    Please get your facts straight in regards to Islamic doctrine. It says quite clearly that there are virgins in their version of Heaven, not whores. America has nothing to do with the Crusades since the first President was a Mason who did not take office until 1789.


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    How the Left made the Islamic world hate us
    « Reply #8 on: January 02, 2015, 07:40:53 AM »
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    You're wrong - Islam really hates us for what we were (Christendom), and not what we are.  The conquest of Rome and subjugation of the Catholic Church has always been the ultimate goal of the Islamic world, and they've come within a hair's breadth of achieving this goal many times. It was only on account of the actions of Catholic heroes, men like Charles Martel, Pope Urban II, Richard the Lionheart, Janos Hunyadi, Skanderbeg, Pope Pius V, Philip II and Jan Sobieski that Christendom was saved from total destruction.

    You think Muslims have an issue with homosexuality? Please. Homosexuality has always been rife within the Islamic world. In the Islamic mind, sodomites aren't "gay" if they are sodomizing younger males or men with effeminate features.  

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ky6uj-ji_Js[/youtube]

    Muslims are also the most fanatical consumers of pornography in the world. Muslim nations top the statistics for internet pornography searches, including for "gay sex", "animal sex", "child sex", "fat sex", "rape sex" and "shemale sex".

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Pornography


    Ha! Modern Britian and America have nothing to do with the Crusades who were supported by a French Pope, mostly as a way to heal the recent schism between Rome and the Eastern churches and as a way to stop the feudal conflicts between Europeans and direct it to the Muslim world. The Koran quite clearly states in quite strong terms of its disgust towards homosexuality. In fact the largest homosexual scandal was the priestly sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church. I don't disagree that Islam is all about world domination of their religion, just as Christians once burned and beheaded people over their lack of faith in Christianity. Our liberal ideal of religious tolerance is punishable heresy in the Islamic world.

    That being said, the biggest defense against Islam would have been to secure America's southern border, which Al Qaeda used for getting into the United States, and to have halted Islamic immigration. The same could be said of Britain where Arabs and Africans are ripping apart the country and turning it into Londonistan. Had Britain halted immigration it still would be mostly British, although World War II destroyed any greatness the British could have had as it exhuasted them and their empire.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 02, 2015, 11:35:48 AM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
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    You're wrong - Islam really hates us for what we were (Christendom), and not what we are.  The conquest of Rome and subjugation of the Catholic Church has always been the ultimate goal of the Islamic world, and they've come within a hair's breadth of achieving this goal many times. It was only on account of the actions of Catholic heroes, men like Charles Martel, Pope Urban II, Richard the Lionheart, Janos Hunyadi, Skanderbeg, Pope Pius V, Philip II and Jan Sobieski that Christendom was saved from total destruction.

    You think Muslims have an issue with homosexuality? Please. Homosexuality has always been rife within the Islamic world. In the Islamic mind, sodomites aren't "gay" if they are sodomizing younger males or men with effeminate features.  

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ky6uj-ji_Js[/youtube]

    Muslims are also the most fanatical consumers of pornography in the world. Muslim nations top the statistics for internet pornography searches, including for "gay sex", "animal sex", "child sex", "fat sex", "rape sex" and "shemale sex".

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Pornography


    Ha! Modern Britian and America have nothing to do with the Crusades who were supported by a French Pope, mostly as a way to heal the recent schism between Rome and the Eastern churches and as a way to stop the feudal conflicts between Europeans and direct it to the Muslim world. The Koran quite clearly states in quite strong terms of its disgust towards homosexuality. In fact the largest homosexual scandal was the priestly sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church. I don't disagree that Islam is all about world domination of their religion, just as Christians once burned and beheaded people over their lack of faith in Christianity. Our liberal ideal of religious tolerance is punishable heresy in the Islamic world.

    That being said, the biggest defense against Islam would have been to secure America's southern border, which Al Qaeda used for getting into the United States, and to have halted Islamic immigration. The same could be said of Britain where Arabs and Africans are ripping apart the country and turning it into Londonistan. Had Britain halted immigration it still would be mostly British, although World War II destroyed any greatness the British could have had as it exhuasted them and their empire.


    Masons accept wiCCa paGAns, Muslims etc under all-encompassing false God, Great Architect (GA)

    Therefore Muslim activist-terrorists can be shit-stirring, bomb-blasting masons (NLP programmed?) who do terrorism so the elites can close down on society even more with mad policing laws & their own 'form' of terrorist activity!

    What we see on news in Middle East reports!

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    « Reply #10 on: January 02, 2015, 03:46:36 PM »
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    The Koran quite clearly states in quite strong terms of its disgust towards homosexuality.


    The Quran promises Muslims eternally youthful boy sex slaves in the afterlife. Quran 76:19. Look it up.

    You were saying?


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    « Reply #11 on: January 12, 2015, 09:55:10 PM »
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  • This is what I found:

    There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls.

    I don't see a promise of sex with boys in those lines.  Am I missing something?

    As for Koranic codemnation of homosexuality, I find these:

    And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? 7:80

    Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people." 7:81

    "What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males, and leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are forward folk." 26:165

    I am not an expert, but interpretations, endlessly repeated, by Clear Channel/Fox News type sources are Jewish and not to be relied on.

    Meanwhile, the Talmud is unmistakeably clear on the license to engage with sex with minor: Sex with Children.


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    « Reply #12 on: January 13, 2015, 12:36:38 AM »
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  • Don't be an Islamophile. The female virgins of the Islamic paradise are also described as "pearls" in Quran 56:23. Why do you think Muslim men are promised "eternally youthful boys" as "beautiful as scattered pearls" who will "circulate among them"? See, Muslims don't think it's "gay" if it's a grown man in a sodomitical relationship with an effeminate man or young boy, which is why customs like Bacha Bazi are so prevalent in the Muslim world. But don't take my word for it, see for yourself how pedophilia is practiced and accepted in Muslim countries.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 13, 2015, 01:36:25 AM »
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  • I'm pretty sure their hatred of the west is not fundamentally anchored in reality or rationally based, regardless of why they hate us.

    The Koran is pretty clear that non-Muslims are to be seen as sub-human and not meriting any respect.  You convert or they kill or enslave you, it is right there in the Koran.

    The main cause of their hate is probably that the west is culturally dominant and economically successful compared to any of their cultures.  Militarily we are 100 years ahead of them.  Our Art, Music, roads, public works, education, technology is way in advance of theirs.

    So on the one hand they rigidly believe that Allah has shown them special favours and given then an instruction manual on how to live, but on the other, their societies are poor and violent and unfree and their religion is fragmented.  They leave their shitty house and lock their door with a a Key and lock designed in Germany and made in China.  Walk to their car, made in France, along roads the best of which are built by imported foreign engineers, to sell Chinese made goods, in a souk.  They travel to Mecca in Jet-planes designed and built by infidels which when they go wrong are repaired by infidels.  And when they get ill, they use western designed medicines and medical procedures to heal themselves.

    Even the terrorists wear western made clothes, shoot Russian rifles and cut people's heads of with steel blades made in England, Japan, the US or China ( if you're unlucky).  I doubt there is a steelworks in the whole of Araby.

    What has their religion delivered them?  Nothing.  It has been an abject failure.

    There are only two reactions to that.  And one is blind rage and hatred caused by envy.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 13, 2015, 07:17:14 AM »
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  • Their religion has hardly been a failure I think since it is the fastest growing on Earth, close to beating Catholicism worldwide.

    While materially the West is superior that hardly saved Rome who was militarily and materially superior to the early Christians. As for our art and music being way ahead uh I guess if you consider pornographic art and satanic music "ahead of its time" you have a point but modern art is filthy.

    And yes the Koran does say that unbelievers must be converted or killed but then again Christians once burned and beheaded people according to that same logic. Islam pretty much believes along the same lines as Spain in the fifteenth century in terms of "religious tolerance."

    Arabs most definitely blame Turks, Jews, Americans, and Mongols for why they are inferior to the West materially and economically. You have to remember at one time Arabia was culturally superior to the West in the Islamic Golden Age and so instead of looking inside themselves for what went wrong they look to others to blame.

     

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