Author Topic: Hamas: Abbas' declaration a call for cινιℓ ωαr (Read 1877 times)

antyshemanic · « **Reply #1 on:** December 17, 2006, 04:09:25 PM »

I have read that hamas is a creation of israel & the mossad. :furtive:

Vandaler · « **Reply #2 on:** December 17, 2006, 08:16:26 PM »

Quote from: antyshemanic

I have read that hamas is a creation of israel & the mossad. :furtive:

Sure, and cheikh Ahmed Yassine was really a Rabbi.
You seem ripe to believe it, since you just read it.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** December 17, 2006, 08:18:59 PM »

At any rate, it's logical that the whole Hamas vs. PLO thing has been orchestrated by Israel -- let's face it -- things couldn't be better for Israel when their enemy is busy cutting himself to pieces. It really is playing into Israel's hands.

Either God is smiling on Israel (which I doubt, based on other information) or they are behind the situation.

Matthew

antyshemanic · « **Reply #4 on:** December 17, 2006, 08:44:23 PM »

antyshemanic · « **Reply #5 on:** December 17, 2006, 08:49:15 PM »

Quote from: Vandaler

cheikh Ahmed Yassine was really a Rabbi.
You seem ripe to believe it, since you just read it.

Its spelt Sheikh Ahmed Yassin
I guess since you can't spell you can't READ it !!! :smile:

antyshemanic · « **Reply #6 on:** December 17, 2006, 08:56:42 PM »

antyshemanic · « **Reply #7 on:** December 17, 2006, 09:01:52 PM »

Vandaler · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2006, 09:10:12 PM »

My spelling is absolutely correct in this case, but in my haste, I unfortunately wrote his entire name in French, my native language.

antyshemanic · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2006, 09:14:15 PM »

Quote from: Vandaler

My spelling is absolutely correct in this case, but in my haste, I unfortunately wrote his entire name in French, my native language.

Then I will overlook it !!! :wink:

Vandaler · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2006, 10:07:09 PM »

You cover alot of ground here Anty and it's your prerogative. In essence it provides a tapistry to illustrate your point of view. Boards are well suited for doing this.

However, for me to counter-argue, because of the nature of board conversations, the scope needs to be kept narrow and focus; Thus, is the current situation fomented by Hamas thus indirectly, by Isreal.

You would need to lower yourself truely unreliable sources to find today, an argument to the point that Hamas, is a tool of Isreal. In fact, Hezbollah-Hamas ties are now well docuмented. Hamas is a proxy of Iran, not Isreal.

That is not to mean I think Iran is behind it either, I have not wrapped my mind around what is going on. But really, Isreal is dealing with enough uncertainty as it is, It don't need a second fomenting cινιℓ ωαr on it's borders.

Vandaler · « **Reply #11 on:** December 18, 2006, 01:37:12 PM »

Been deliberating this with myself.

I'm willing to agree that Isreal might see the situation in Palestine to it's advantange and in any capacity it can, try and influence a prolonged Fatah-Hamas crisis.

I fall way short of thinking that Hamas is radio-controled by Israel though. You can see the above as a reversal from yesterday.

antyshemanic · « **Reply #12 on:** December 18, 2006, 02:44:14 PM »

Vandaler · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2006, 03:28:21 PM »

Anty,

Our standing positions are so foreign and different, there is no point to debate... unless it's like I say, by little chuncks. I understand that your not inclined and that is fine.

I'll only remark that I don't think of Isreal as neither a persecutor or a victim. While I'm sensible to human suffering on both sides, I try to remain as neutral as I can to not cloud my judgement.

And as you see from my last message, I deliberate and occasionally change my mind.

Vandaler · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2006, 01:07:04 PM »

Anty,

To illustrate how somewhat backwards your view of Hamas-Isreal is today; Palestinian news agency Ma'an reported today, citing a specialist in Israeli affairs.

A secret meeting occured last October with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, Saudi National Security Council Secretary-General Prince Bandar bin Sultan and Egyptian political adviser Osama el-Baz in Egypt.

There, they reportedly discussed cooperation to confront the Iran-Syria axis and their militant group proxies, such as Hamas and Hezbollah.

This is big, and gives weight to unconfirmed reports I had been getting. Isreal, building bridges with Sunni nations to counter the Shia rise.

http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=18259

Author Topic: Hamas: Abbas&#039; declaration a call for cινιℓ ωαr (Read 1877 times)

Author Topic: Hamas: Abbas' declaration a call for cινιℓ ωαr (Read 1877 times)