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Great Monarch is restrainer?
« on: October 02, 2009, 12:40:18 PM »
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  • Paul in 2 Thess notes there is a restrainer of antichrist, some speculation it may be the Great Monarch to come:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katechon

    Apparently, the Orthodox are thinking this too.....
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    Great Monarch is restrainer?
    « Reply #1 on: October 02, 2009, 12:49:05 PM »
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  • The restrainer, IMO, is Jesus Christ - particularly in the Blessed Sacrament.  As I take the NOM, at least as offered, to be invalid, He has, in a sense, been removed.
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    Great Monarch is restrainer?
    « Reply #2 on: October 02, 2009, 01:47:59 PM »
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  • A lunatic calling himself "Pope Augustine" claims to have found the Great Monarch. He's been promoting him in his last several e-mails.

    One of his recent e-mails (encyclicals) was against the upcoming Swine Flu vaccine. It's always odd to see a Youtube link in a Papal Encyclical.  :laugh1:

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    « Reply #3 on: October 02, 2009, 02:11:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    The restrainer, IMO, is Jesus Christ - particularly in the Blessed Sacrament.  As I take the NOM, at least as offered, to be invalid, He has, in a sense, been removed.


    Christ is head of course, but in Paul's letter, he would have stated so.....makes it sound like another acting in Christ's name....other suggestions are St.Michael.....
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    Great Monarch is restrainer?
    « Reply #4 on: October 02, 2009, 02:11:43 PM »
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    A lunatic calling himself "Pope Augustine" claims to have found the Great Monarch. He's been promoting him in his last several e-mails.

    One of his recent e-mails (encyclicals) was against the upcoming Swine Flu vaccine. It's always odd to see a Youtube link in a Papal Encyclical.  :laugh1:

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    Sad......guess he cannot write or speak Latin?
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    « Reply #5 on: October 02, 2009, 03:14:33 PM »
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    in Paul's letter, he would have stated so.....makes it sound like another acting in Christ's name...


    May I trouble you for the section of whichever letter to which you are referring?
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    « Reply #6 on: October 02, 2009, 03:15:21 PM »
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  • 2 Thessalonians?
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    « Reply #7 on: October 02, 2009, 04:03:47 PM »
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  • The "restrainer" -- that isn't Douay-Rheims! -- seems to be Jesus, as gladius says.

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    And we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto him:

    That you be not easily moved from your sense, nor be terrified, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by epistle, as sent from us, as if the day of the Lord were at hand.

    Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

    Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.

    And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time.

    Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

    For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way."


    It can't be the Great Monarch because Paul says that both the "mystery of iniquity" and "he who now holdeth" were at work at the time he, Paul, was speaking.  But the Great Monarch was not holding back iniquity during the lifetime of St. Paul!

    Paul also expects his audience to know what he is talking about.  They would have had no clue about such a concept as the Great Monarch, and would have assumed he meant God or Christ.  

    "And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time."

    Having been converted to the true religion, NOW -- meaning way back then -- the disciples of Christ knew what was stopping the rise of the man of sin: Christ in the Eucharist.

    This is not to say that the Great Monarch prophecies are not true.  The Great Monarch and the Angelic Pastor could easily restore "he who now holdeth" to the altars where He belongs.  But neither of them are in themselves "he who now holdeth."

    Paul speaks of the Man of Sin as one man here, not a series of five anti-Popes ( or more, now that I am on the scent of Pius XII and the "rhythm method" ).  The reason I have come to believe he is in the future is because of this section of the Apocalypse 18:1-3:

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    And after these things, I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power: and the earth was enlightened with his glory.

       And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen; and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every unclean spirit, and the hold of every unclean and hateful bird:

    Because all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her; and the merchants of the earth have been made rich by the power of her delicacies."


    I believe this "angel come down from heaven" IS the Angelic Pastor of prophecy, the one who works with the Great Monarch.  "Angels" in the Apocalypse, according to Father Kramer, who proves his point well, are bishops.  So an "angel come down from heaven" is a Pope, right?  A bishop above all other bishops.  I do not think I am stretching the approved Catholic interpretation by saying this.  And this Pope, if I am correct, is particularly powerful and can only be the one who restores the Church after the nightmarish reign of BABYLON.  Nowhere else in the Bible is a figure like this spoken of.

    I will write more about my theories of "angels from heaven" and the Angelic Pastor elsewhere.  The point is, these events have not yet happened.  Babylon the Great has not yet fallen.  Therefore, none of the VII Popes can be the actual man of sin because Babylon must fall and all the events of the Apocalypse have to play out FIRST.  Only Christ can stop the Man of Sin, but it seems the VII Popes and Babylon will be stopped by the Minor Chastisement.  If Babylon the Great was in the past, please tell me what it was... I can't think of anything.

    Also, Belloc, I think I was right the first time and that Babylon the Great is America, not the Judeo-Masonic Republics collectively, because it is described as "that great city."  It would be odd to describe a nebulous political and financial system like Judeo-Masonry as a "city."  This "city" is really a nation and is contrasted by the prophet with other nations.  

    Though it is not the only Judeo-Masonic nation on Earth at the moment, the "great city" of America has nevertheless become the SYMBOL of this world-wide political and financial system.  Its whole ideology, what makes the people tick, even, alas, many if not most of the Catholics, is the separation of Church and State and the "freedom" this has brought, precisely the "fornication" spoken of here.  

    This nation is worse off than Russia, worse off than anything on Earth.  Russia did not FORNICATE, meaning it did not mix Catholicism with false religions.  It may have been Byzantine Catholic for a hundred years or so but then it fell immediately into the Orthodox schism.  But we mix Catholicism and anti-Christ Judaism, serving the goals of the devil while turning a blind eye and saying we are serving Christ!   If this isn't fornication. my friend, I don't know what is.  In no other nation is the control of the Jews so accepted and even relished, where even the political "conservatives" lick their feet.  

    Spain, France, Austria and Italy, Ireland, Poland, the formerly-great Catholic nations like this, have also committed fornication to a lesser degree, but that is what the passage of the Apocalypse says.  "All nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."  But it is this "her" -- think of the Statue of Liberty -- who is the GREATEST fornicator.

    Common sense tells us America is Babylon.  If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck -- it's a duck.



    Are Spain, France, Austria or Italy really the "great city" known for wealth?  And are they KNOWN, as we are, for religious liberty i.e. SPIRITUAL FORNICATION?  With those countries there is rather a sense that they have been led where they never really wanted to go by evil leaders.  But we revel in our bitter freedom from the rules and the law of God.

    This nation then apparently DISAPPEARS OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.  Like a new Atlantis.  The following passage is not just talking about a financial collapse but of total obliteration.

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    And a mighty angel took up a stone, as it were a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying: With such violence as this shall Babylon, that great city, be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.


    Whether I'm right or wrong about America being Babylon, at any rate, this is why I don't believe any of the VII or Rampolla Popes are THE Man of Sin anymore -- just a foreshadowing.  There is much more that has yet to unfold.
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    « Reply #8 on: October 04, 2009, 09:29:28 PM »
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  • Raoul76 your take on Apocalyptic prophecy is really quite compelling, for the most part.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 05, 2009, 07:06:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
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    in Paul's letter, he would have stated so.....makes it sound like another acting in Christ's name...


    May I trouble you for the section of whichever letter to which you are referring?


    SOURCE:  http://www.drbo.org/chapter/60002.htm

    Second Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Thessalonians
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    The day of the Lord is not to come till the man of sin be revealed. The apostle's traditions are to be observed.

    1 And we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto him: 2 That you be not easily moved from your sense, nor be terrified, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by epistle, as sent from us, as if the day of the Lord were at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. 5 Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

    3 "A revolt"... This revolt, or falling off, is generally understood, by the ancient fathers, of a revolt from the Roman empire, which was first to be destroyed, before the coming of Antichrist. It may, perhaps, be understood also of a revolt of many nations from the Catholic Church; which has, in part, happened already, by means of Mahomet, Luther, &c., and it may be supposed, will be more general in the days of the Antichrist.

    3 "The man of sin"... Here must be meant some particular man, as is evident from the frequent repetition of the Greek article: 'the man of sin, 'the son of perdition, 'the adversary or opposer. It agrees to the wicked and great Antichrist, who will come before the end of the world.

    4 "In the temple"... Either that of Jerusalem which some think he will rebuild; or in some Christian church, which he will pervert to his own worship: as Mahomet has done by the churches of the east.

    6 And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, 9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, 10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:

    10 "God shall send"... That is God shall suffer them to be deceived by lying wonders, and false miracles, in punishment of their not entertaining the love of truth.

    11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. 12 But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you firstfruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit, and faith of the truth: 13 Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. 15 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope in grace,

    14 "Traditions"... See here that the unwritten traditions are no less to be received than their epistles.

    16 Exhort your hearts, and confirm you in every good work and word.
     
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    « Reply #10 on: October 05, 2009, 07:08:07 AM »
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    Raoul76 your take on Apocalyptic prophecy is really quite compelling, for the most part.


    in other threads, he souned like Jack Chick and History Channel.....this go around, some decent insights.....

    you 2 should really get a site together, call it "sedeinfo.com"
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    « Reply #11 on: October 05, 2009, 07:25:32 AM »
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  • BTW-restrainer could be St.Michael, many place him strongly at End Times, possibly taking out antichrist for Christ, others feel it will be Christ directly, no angels in between......anyone?.....anyone?
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    « Reply #12 on: October 05, 2009, 08:18:23 PM »
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  • Several prophecies I have read say that the antichrist comes AFTER the Era of Peace, which itself is initiated by the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  I believe this to be the sequence of events.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 10, 2009, 02:30:11 AM »
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    BTW-restrainer could be St.Michael, many place him strongly at End Times, possibly taking out antichrist for Christ, others feel it will be Christ directly, no angels in between......anyone?.....anyone?


    The Secret of Our Lady of La Sallete says that when the anti-christ attempts to "ascend to heaven" in the manner that Christ did, St.Michael will smote him "with his breathe". How I'd love to see that ( weather I be living or watching from Purgatory or Heaven)!
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