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European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
« on: September 29, 2025, 06:11:47 AM »
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    https://www.politico.eu/article/leaders-press-to-reshape-eu-under-vladimir-putin-russia-aggressive-shadow
    BRUSSELS — The provocations of Vladimir Putin and the semi-detachment of Donald Trump are forcing the European Union to radically transform itself. Wednesday’s summit of EU leaders will offer the starkest evidence yet the bloc as it once was is no more.
    The warlike threats surrounding the gathering in Copenhagen could scarcely be more ominous. Not only have Russian fighter jets flown into NATO airspace prompting Trump and EU chiefs to publicly back the idea of shooting them down, the very airport in the Danish capital that scores of leaders and officials will fly into saw major disruptions last week because of mysterious drones described by Denmark as a “hybrid attack.”

    European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen — a former German defense minister — has pushed for an unprecedented discussion at the summit of the EU’s military capabilities, moving far beyond the bloc’s traditional focus on trade, antitrust and economics. Among the options being touted is the creation of a “drone wall,” a system that would detect, track and shoot down drones, as well as projects to ensure planes intruding on European skies are quickly countered.


    “Scrambling fighter jets is NATO’s job,” said a senior EU official. The EU’s “job is to be ready to be in the position we need to be when we have to respond — to enhance our readiness and have the tools to be able to react to threats when needed, reinforcing common tools and capabilities in the face of a common threat.”
    The meeting is the first since the EU’s 27 leaders huddled in Brussels in June. The three months since offered a brief glimmer of optimism after Trump and Putin met in Alaska — and soon reverted to saber-rattling and behavior even more threatening than before. With a second summit planned for Brussels at the end of October, the bloc wants real decisions on bulking up Europe’s defenses and getting cash to Ukraine.



    Acknowledging the risk posed by Moscow is the easy part, how to respond within an EU full of competing priorities is another. At least they can agree on a bottom line: Do nothing that makes all-out war more likely.



    “The challenges for European leaders in Copenhagen is to find a deterrence equilibrium with an increasingly risk-seeking Russian leadership that allows for the effective management of such incidents, short of them spiraling into a crisis or then potentially into conflict,” said Rafael Loss, defense policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations think tank. “That is very difficult when the U.S. president, the biggest ally in the NATO alliance, says ‘feel free to shoot [Russian jets] down, but whether I have your backs, I don’t know.’”



    And yet this more dangerous phase of European politics is strewn with potential disasters. Privately, government officials have expressed worries about the prospect of a “Franz Ferdinand moment,” where a sudden escalation threatens to drag the continent into conflict, like the 1914 assassination of the archduke that triggered World War I.



    Poland scrambled fighter jets and temporarily closed some Polish airspace on Sunday after a Russian attack on Ukraine that the country’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, said lasted for more than 12 hours. In calling on Europe to ramp up its defense, Zelenskyy warned that the Kremlin had set its sights even beyond Ukraine.




    “Putin will not wait to finish his war in Ukraine ― he will open up some other direction,” Zelenskyy said. “Nobody knows where.”


    Ready to spend



    If the fundamentals of defense draw general consensus ― even with Europe bitterly divided politically between a crumbling center ground and a rising populist right ― how to pay for what needs to come next is pitting leader against leader. The EU’s transformation into an effective global power costs money and not all capitals are aligned on just how much should be spent, let alone on what.



    Military leaders insist Europe is already dealing with a low-intensity war with Russia. Historically, they say, wars have been won only with public debt — and a signal the EU is ready to spend can form part of the deterrence.  



    Poland scrambled fighter jets and temporarily closed some Polish airspace on Sunday after a Russian attack on Ukraine. | Marian Zubrzycki/EPA
    But handing the EU a bigger budget to spend on anything has rarely been popular, and even less so now when national leaders have ridden into government on anti-Europe rhetoric.



    While even Kremlin-friendly countries like Hungary and Slovakia have welcomed additional cash for weapons, training and hardware
     as a boost for their economies, others like Spain play down the risk of war as they try to protect their already-stretched budgets. The Netherlands, Sweden and Germany have consistently been concerned about additional borrowing to pay for military rearmament and for aid to Ukraine.
    But there’s nothing like the threat of invasion to focus the mind. Diplomats said they hope the growing threats will help reach decisions they would previously have been reluctant to take.



    “It’s a difficult balance because you don’t want to terrify people but you want leaders to be aware of the risks enough to take them seriously,” said a diplomat involved in the European discussions.

    Isolating Orbán
    Time isn’t on the EU’s side. Ukraine faces a budget shortfall of about $23 billion next year, giving governments just months to deliver a sizeable pot of cash that can sustain Kyiv’s war effort. Von der Leyen believes she’s found the answer in the shape of a €140 billion “reparations loan” that’s financed by sanctioned Russian cash. The cash would come from Russian assets frozen by the EU since the start of the Ukraine conflict in 2022.

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán is standing in the way of the EU’s plan to seize the assets but the Commission thinks it’s found a legal workaround to cut Hungary out of the decision-making process. Leaders will discuss the plan on Wednesday and then hope to reach a formal decision at the second summit at the end of October.

    Even Kremlin-friendly countries like Hungary and Slovakia have welcomed additional cash for weapons, training and hardware as a boost for their economies. | Martin Divisek/EPA
    “The goal [in Copenhagen] is to gather sufficient support from other countries to isolate Orbán,” an EU diplomat said. “We’re in the gray area.”
    The Copenhagen summit is another step in the EU’s new chapter. But what’s not changed is how the bloc still struggles to get on the front foot and how its options appear slim.

    “I don’t think there’s any interest in wanting to confront Vladimir Putin, getting in a shooting war of any kind to defend ‘socialist Europeans,’” said Max Bergmann, director of the Europe, Russia, and Eurasia Program at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank. Having already imposed hefty sanctions, Europe has no obvious “silver bullet” left.

    Jordyn Dahl in Brussels contributed to this report.



    The Prophecies Of Alois Irlmaier
    "Everything calls peace, Schalom! Then it will occur - a new Middle East war suddenly flames up, big naval forces are facing hostiley in the Mediterranean - the situation is strained. But the actual firing spark is set on fire in the Balkan: I see a "large one" falling, a bloody dagger lies beside him - then impact is on impact. ..."

    We've already had the Iran-Israel war as well, now it remains to be seen if theres a build up of navy ships in the Med (unless I've missed that). Regardless, there appears to 
    be little desire from world leaders to curtail aggresive rhetoric and action, so I'll be keeping an eye out for any meetings of European leaders (especially any involving the Russians) in the Balkans. 

    Does anyone else have potential fulfillments of Irlmaier's visions (ie the technology he sees)?
    In thee, O Lord, have I hoped, let me never be confounded: deliver me in thy justice.
    Psalm 30:2 

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #1 on: September 29, 2025, 08:37:31 AM »
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  • I think this war prophecy will happen AFTER there’s a peace in Gaza.  Notice the first line “shalom”, referring to Israel.  The technology that Alois refers to all exists (underwater bombs, chemical sprays from planes, etc).  There will be a “false peace” first, then all hell will break loose.  


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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #2 on: September 29, 2025, 09:50:54 AM »
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  • FWIW, the current president of Serbia Aleksandar Vučić and the prime minister of Albania Edi Rama are both 6ft 6 in.  

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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #3 on: September 29, 2025, 08:07:47 PM »
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  • :facepalm:

    Maybe if you guys stop believing the weird, deranged rantings of that crazy man Alois Irlmaier, you will stop thinking the world is about to end. :trollface:

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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #4 on: September 29, 2025, 10:11:43 PM »
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  • Well, Trump did just announce some alleged "peace agreement in Gaza today", and thus the Shalom?

    Undoubtedly Irlmaier's reference to "Shalom" has to do with the Middle East.  He does say that tensions are very high around the Middle East, but the actual spark for WW3 gets kicked of elsewhere, what he thinks MIGHT be the Balkans, except that my guess is Czech Republic, since Irlmaier describes the Russians lashing out against Prague, and reducing the "Golden City" to rubble ... as one of their first targets.  It's easy to kindof blend Czech with Balkans.

    Here Trump announced some 20-point peace deal with Hamas.  If Hamas takes it and the headlines read "Shalom!", and I think we're taking a step closer to the trigger event, and I believe the "Great One" taken out would likely be Putin, since the Russians react ...

    https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/trump-talks-netanyahu-gaza-peace-deal-israel-hamas-war-hostages-rcna234370


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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #5 on: September 29, 2025, 10:16:23 PM »
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  • :facepalm:

    Maybe if you guys stop believing the weird, deranged rantings of that crazy man Alois Irlmaier, you will stop thinking the world is about to end. :trollface:


    Yeah, yeah ... keep saying that, except that Irlmaier's accuracy is beyond question, and was even demonstrated in legal proceedings in front of a skeptical judge.  Not only that, but some of his predictions have already come true, where he described scenes of people staring at what he called very colorful cigarette cartons (modern smart phones, which he knew of no other way to describe), and other things along those lines.  His track record for accuracy is well docuмented, and he was indeed a very devout Catholic, who saw visions of Our Lady when he was younger.  AND his predictions, apart from providing additional detail, they line up perfectly with those of Elena Aiello.

    I'm not sure what your malfunction is sometimes, denouncing anything that's beyond the normal natural course of events as "weird, deranged".  You'd be the type who would denounce the miracles performed by various saints, and possibly even Our Lord Himself as "weird, deranged".

    In fact, Irlmaier was a very simple man, and that actually speaks to his credibility, where he was hardly sophisticated enough to perpetrate scams, and in fact he was exonerated of any such charges because he never accepted any money for these consultations.

    Some of the choppiness of his visions can be attributed to crappy translation from the original layered on top of the fact that he wasn't particularly articulate.

    One of the things I found interesting was his description of a bomb that was dropped by the Russians offshore from England that causes half the UK to be submerged.  Yes, that sounds very strange, until you read how the Russians have in fact developed a "Tsunami Bomb" that could do precisely what he described.  Then the yellowish dust he describes, where all living things die, but non-living things are unscathed ... that sounds very much like a variation on a neutron bomb, where instead of dispersing the material using a bomb, they come up with an alternative way of spreading the same types of radioactive isotopes.


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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #6 on: September 29, 2025, 10:23:59 PM »
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  • FWIW, the current president of Serbia Aleksandar Vučić and the prime minister of Albania Edi Rama are both 6ft 6 in. 

    I don't think that's what Irlmaier meant by a "Great One".  I'm thinking it's more in the meaning of one who had great importance or stature.  Albania has opposed Russia in the Ukraine situation, and Serbia has some cultural ties, but are not knit too tightly with Russia either, so that I doubt that the assassination of either of these guys would cause Russia to invade Europe.  I'm thinking it has to be Putin, or else perhaps his successor, someone like a Medvedev.

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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #7 on: September 29, 2025, 10:29:15 PM »
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  • I think this war prophecy will happen AFTER there’s a peace in Gaza.  Notice the first line “shalom”, referring to Israel.  The technology that Alois refers to all exists (underwater bombs, chemical sprays from planes, etc).  There will be a “false peace” first, then all hell will break loose. 

    Agreed.  If the Trump/Netanyahu "peace" deal they jointly announced today goes through, one might suspect an escalation very soon.  We have NATO and Russia calling up more troops and evidently mustering for some kind of war, so somebody thinks something is coming over there.  Of course, the difference is that Irlmaier describes a Russian blitzkrieg that happens so fast that NATO wouldn't even know what hit them until they had made it halfway into Europe.  That would be very difficult to imagine unless the Russians also managed to take out a bunch of US satellites and other equipment.  If you recall, there was some big stink made a year or so ago about some major "space weapon" invented by Russia, which some people later leaked involved something that could wipe out all US satellite equipment.


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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #8 on: September 29, 2025, 10:53:09 PM »
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  • now it remains to be seen if theres a build up of navy ships in the Med (unless I've missed that).…
    Spain and Italy are sending warships to protect the Gaza Aid Flotilla from Satan's genocidalists. Russia is moving their Mediterranean fleet out of Syria.


    I think this war prophecy will happen AFTER there’s a peace in Gaza.  Notice the first line “shalom”, referring to Israel.  The technology that Alois refers to all exists (underwater bombs, chemical sprays from planes, etc).  There will be a “false peace” first, then all hell will break loose.

    When I look at Trump's Gaza "Peace Plan," it seems to be missing only one point… the provision of smallpox blankets.



    …Then the yellowish dust he describes, where all living things die, but non-living things are unscathed…
    Ricin?

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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #9 on: September 30, 2025, 07:10:53 AM »
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  • I think this war prophecy will happen AFTER there’s a peace in Gaza.  Notice the first line “shalom”, referring to Israel.  The technology that Alois refers to all exists (underwater bombs, chemical sprays from planes, etc).  There will be a “false peace” first, then all hell will break loose. 
    After seeing the news of the latest peace deal proposal I agree with that.

    Spain and Italy are sending warships to protect the Gaza Aid Flotilla from Satan's genocidalists. Russia is moving their Mediterranean fleet out of Syria.
    Potential fulfilment as well, only some form of stand off is mentioned by Irlmaier, no fighting necessarily.
     That would be very difficult to imagine unless the Russians also managed to take out a bunch of US satellites and other equipment.  If you recall, there was some big stink made a year or so ago about some major "space weapon" invented by Russia, which some people later leaked involved something that could wipe out all US satellite equipment.
    If they've got an EMP with some order of magnitude greater than the one used during US Starfish prime test, "Special Military Operation" 2.0 could be started with the EMP going off and taking out any East Europe Early-Warning for NATO.
    In thee, O Lord, have I hoped, let me never be confounded: deliver me in thy justice.
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    Re: European leaders fear a Franz Ferdinand moment
    « Reply #10 on: September 30, 2025, 09:07:52 AM »
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  • I don't think that's what Irlmaier meant by a "Great One".  I'm thinking it's more in the meaning of one who had great importance or stature.  Albania has opposed Russia in the Ukraine situation, and Serbia has some cultural ties, but are not knit too tightly with Russia either, so that I doubt that the assassination of either of these guys would cause Russia to invade Europe.  I'm thinking it has to be Putin, or else perhaps his successor, someone like a Medvedev.
    Some translations say "large one".  But if "great one" is more accurate I agree that it has to be someone like Putin.  What are your thoughts on the invasion of the "Golden City"....do you think it's Prague or Kyiv?  The prophecy says the locals are caught off guard by tanks so Prague makes more sense than war-torn Kyiv.