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Offline nj73

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CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
« on: April 20, 2022, 11:57:43 AM »
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  • https://rumble.com/v11pemp-mariupol-residents-accuse-ukraine-of-firing-on-civilians.html


    Civilians in Ukraine saying their own military shooting at them. It definitely seem genuine.
    To create media propaganda of course. CNN will not ask for evidence.

    Bidens handlers want this war i am told spiritually.


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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #1 on: April 20, 2022, 01:02:30 PM »
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  • https://www.infowars.com/posts/washington-post-admits-nato-wants-to-prolong-war-in-ukraine/

    "In an article about the potential for a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, the Washington Post admits that some within NATO want to prolong the war for as long as possible."


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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #2 on: April 20, 2022, 01:07:42 PM »
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  • https://www.workers.org/2021/01/54104/

    "Despite the media talk of justice, new policy and diversity, behind the scenes the same old U.S. militarist policies are being reinforced through Biden’s cabinet choices and their direct ties to industry-funded think tanks and military contractors."

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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #3 on: April 20, 2022, 02:45:20 PM »
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  • Looks like they killed this guy Gonzalo who have been exposing the western intelligence propaganda in Ukraine.



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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2022, 04:45:37 PM »
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  • But now we are supposed to trust these people?

    https://www.axios.com/pandora-papers-politicians-countries-d8ca46fc-8422-4d39-b354-aa1de2a24a9f.html

    "The Ukrainian president may have pledged to reform the country's corrupt system of politics, but the Pandora Papers tell a different story.

    Driving the news: Ukraine is the country with the highest number of politicians named in the leak of offshore data, which implicates hundreds of people linked to offshore companies — including President Volodymyr Zelensky."


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2022, 05:03:18 PM »
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  • Looks like they killed this guy Gonzalo who have been exposing the western intelligence propaganda in Ukraine.



    Yeah, those Vasquez videos are a joke.  They literally look like a video game and have been thoroughly debunked by others, not just by Gonzalo.

    Gonzalo has in fact disappeared, after that filthy rag The Daily Beast alerted Zelensky's government about his videos.  I feel terrible for the poor guy.  He's probably being tortured as we speak, if he isn't dead.

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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #6 on: April 20, 2022, 05:06:26 PM »
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  • Looks like they killed this guy Gonzalo who have been exposing the western intelligence propaganda in Ukraine.

    It's true he probably got disappeared/killed. People have been making noise about it for some time since he hasn't been active online for days, even RT's picking up the story now:



    Though, is parroting Kremlinite propaganda (which is EXACTLY what he did) really "exposing the western intelligence propaganda"? We shouldn't fall into the trap of supporting all the ridiculous claims coming out of Moscow just because we know for certain we can't trust the West. 

    Here's a pretty interesting take I found from a user on Telegram on the situation: 

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    Whatever the situation is with Gonzalo Lira aka Coach Red Pill, there is a grim irony in the fact that the man who told his audience to flee the West because it was going to collapse into violence and chaos, found himself in a country going through just such a SHTF event and he stayed. He stayed in order to livestream hot-takes on a demonetized YouTube channel.

    There’s also the significant detail that Lira emphatically wished death upon race-realists and ethnonationalists like myself and the vast majority of my followers and peers.

    I think killing him is a pretty f['d] up thing for the Ukrainian military to do. ASFAIK Lira didn’t do more than celebrate and mock the deaths of Ukrainian soldiers and take a pro-Russian geopolitical angle.

    Arresting him and making an example of him for his retarded actions (why would you stay in your adopted country while it’s being invaded and take the side of the invaders? 🤦🏼‍♂️) seems more adequate punishment, but I can’t honestly say I feel very sorry for him. 

    Let Gonzalo Lira serve as a reminder to remain humble and to be careful what you wish for.



    https://rumble.com/v11pemp-mariupol-residents-accuse-ukraine-of-firing-on-civilians.html


    Civilians in Ukraine saying their own military shooting at them. It definitely seem genuine.
    To create media propaganda of course. CNN will not ask for evidence.

    Bidens handlers want this war i am told spiritually.


    I think these claims from "Mariupol residents" are really the statements of crisis actors paid by the Kremlin. Here's one such actress that Russian state media keeps recycling: 

    http://romaninukraine.com/new-hair-new-location-same-prostitute-same-propaganda/

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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #7 on: April 20, 2022, 08:49:28 PM »
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  • ... parroting Kremlinite propaganda (which is EXACTLY what he did) ...

    I think these claims from "Mariupol residents" are really the statements of crisis actors paid by the Kremlin.

    Oh, get your head out of your rear end, would you?  He wasn't parroting anything.  He was speaking objective truth.  He regularly criticized Russia and Putin (at one point saying that Putin was corrupt also), but simply laid out the factual history of the entire conflict, the 2014 coup and installation of the puppet Zelensky, the shelling of Donbas and Luhansk, etc.  His information was correct, and your promotion of the Globohomo propaganda borders on the obnoxious.


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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #8 on: April 20, 2022, 09:53:52 PM »
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  • Oh, get your head out of your rear end, would you?  He wasn't parroting anything.  He was speaking objective truth.  He regularly criticized Russia and Putin (at one point saying that Putin was corrupt also), but simply laid out the factual history of the entire conflict, the 2014 coup and installation of the puppet Zelensky, the shelling of Donbas and Luhansk, etc.  His information was correct, and your promotion of the Globohomo propaganda borders on the obnoxious.

    Where did I promote Globohomo propaganda?

    Zelensky is corrupt, I never said he's the hero Globohomo has proposed him to be.

    I never promoted any fake stories like the "Ghost of Kiev" or the Snake Island Massacre, so it can't be that. Is it because I name Dugin? Sure, the MSM now covers Dugin and blames him (rightly) for helping to push this Ukrainian war (which has been in the works for years, as you'll agree), but they moronically call him "fascist", "far right", even "neo-nαzι". I've obviously never claimed he was any of those things, I've used his words to prove him to be a Neo-Bolshevik in "traditionalist" clothing. 

    Am I a "globohomo propagandist" for doubting the allegations of literal communists and their allies in the "based" Kremlin, who are responsible for sending hordes of Muslim soldiers in Ukraine as we speak to butcher Christian men and women? Russia has an extensive history of lying about who died and who didn't, as we know from WWII. If Russia today is run by Neo-Bolshevists (which it certainly is), then why should I trust them now? 

    I think you're upset because I'm criticizing an e-celeb you grew too attached to, and because I'm pointing that Putin is just as capable of spreading disinfo as the West is. 

    I hope this isn't true for you, but the presence of a lot of blatant pro-Russia shilling in right-wing circles in general is very worrying to me. It's another stack of lies like Q, designed to entrap people into a false hope for a worldly messiah from some worldly savior. 



    (Video of Russian soldiers raising the Soviet "victory flag" in occupied Kherson).

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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #9 on: April 20, 2022, 10:14:37 PM »
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  • ...the shelling of Donbas and Luhansk, etc.  His information was correct, and your promotion of the Globohomo propaganda borders on the obnoxious.

    His "information" was about as correct as 2+2=5. He was blatantly promoting Kremlinite propaganda, and paid the price for it with his life. 

    https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-ukraine-committed-genocide-against-donbas-inhabitants/


    Fake: Ukraine Committed Genocide Against Donbas Inhabitants

    Russian President Vladimir Putin considers “saving the Donbas population from genocide” one of the main reasons for Russia’s full-scale war against Ukraine. Over the past two weeks Putin has spoken three times about the “14,000 civilian deaths in Donbas” that he believes “were exterminated by Ukrainian nationalists”. However, the Russian occupied Donbas territories did not incur such losses, this is confirmed by official UN data and even the reports of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Ombudsman. Putin has conveniently taken the 14,000 lives his occupation of Donbas has cost Ukraine and the occupied territories and used it for his propagandist lies.

    Vladimir Putin, Foreign Intelligence Service chief Sergey Naryshkin and other Russian officials regularly drone on about the alleged “genocide of the Donbas population”. Today, this myth sits at the core of the Kremlin’s propaganda. Putin has used this myth to justify Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022. “I have taken the decision to conduct a special military operation. Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to abuse and genocide by the Kyiv regime for eight years” Putin said in his address announcing the war.



    We at StopFake have already written that the concept of “genocide” does not apply to the human losses incurred in Donbas. Both Ukraine and the occupied Donbas territories have suffered casualties because of the hostilities the Russian Federation has been conducting there since 2014. But Russia has insisted for these eight years and tried to convince the world that the actions of Ukraine’s Armed Forces in Donbas “are aimed at destroying the population of Donbas” and are not a struggle for Ukraine’s territorial integrity. And despite the untruthfulness of the argument, Russia’s propaganda machine has nevertheless managed to convince the Russian audience of this, that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is “an act of retaliation for Donbas”.

    As it happens, official United Nations data suggests that the 14,000 casualty figure that Putin has used does not only refer to civilians. During Russia’s 2014-2021 military operations against Ukraine, 14,500 people died in the Donbas war. Of that 14,000, 3,404 were civilians, 4,400 were Ukrainian servicemen and 6,500 were Russian militants. The figure Putin operates with, is the total number of casualties incurred in the Donbas war by both sides.

    Data obtained from the reports of the so-called “Commissioner for Human Rights in the Donetsk People’s Republic” show casualty figures even lower than those of the United Nations. In a 2020 report the total losses of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) since the start of the war in Donbas are estimated to be 4,959. This is the figure that is officially recorded by the DPR “legislature”. The report also claims that the majority of deaths occurred in 2014-2015, when 2,546 and 1,395 died respectively. In subsequent years the number of casualties in the Donbas war has significantly decreased. In 2016, 348 people were killed, in 2017 – 278, in 2018 – 154, in 2019 – 160 people. In 2020, 44 people died, marking the lowest casualty rate for the entire period of the armed conflict. Although the casualty rate was quite low in 2020, the Kremlin nevertheless began to intimidate its own population with the specter of the “Ukrainian threat” and thereby discredit Ukraine in the eyes of the occupied territories’ residents.






    Moreover, UN data also clearly shows that since 2014 the number of civilian deaths in the Donbas has steadily declined on both sides. There has been no escalation of the conflict in recent years, 90% of Donbas civilians died in 2014-2015.



    The number of deaths among the civilian population, which the “ombudsman” of the DPR cites in his reports, in recent years show only isolated cases of local populations’ deaths. In 2017, the number civilian casualties were 32, in 2018 – 19, in 2019 – 9, and in 2020 – 5 people. As these statistics attest, even official bodies of the self-proclaimed republics do not confirm the “mass destruction of the civilian population of the republics by Ukrainian Armed Forces.





    But Putin and Russian propagandists continue to use the “genocide in Donbas” thesis to justify Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. During a meeting with representatives of Russian airlines on March 6, Putin stated that “people in Donbas are not stray dogs… 13,000 to 14,000 have been killed over the years, more than 500 children have been killed or injured”. He made a similar statement on March 16 during a meeting with members of the Russian government: “All these years hostilities in Donbas have continued, peaceful settlements have been shelled. During this time, almost 14,000 civilians died, including children”.

    At the March 18 “For a World without nαzιsm” concern in Luzhniki, Putin repeated the same mantra before thousands of people, “punitive operations were launched against the people of Donbas, they were immediately subjected to a blockade, systemic shelling, aviation strikes… all of this is what is called genocide.”

    Meanwhile, according to the United Nations, since Russia unleased war on Ukraine on February 24, more than 1.5 million children have been forced to leave Ukraine because their lives were under threat. The Ukrainian General Prosecutor’s office informs that as a result of constant bombing and shelling of civilian infrastructure, as of March 19, 2022, 112 Ukrainian children were killed, more than 140 were injured. According to the Donetsk People’s Republic, since 2014, 90 children have died on the territory of the unrecognized statelet, which is less than the number of children killed in three weeks of Russia’s full-scale war against Ukraine.

    Kremlin propagandists continue broadcasting stories about “genocide in Donbas” without an iota of evidence, and unlike the imaginary “destruction of the Donbas population,” the Kremlin’s apologists are carrying out a real, and not mythical, genocide of the Ukrainian people.

    Bulgarian translation of this story can be accessed here.






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    Re: CIA fαℓѕє fℓαgs in Ukraine
    « Reply #10 on: April 21, 2022, 03:40:25 AM »
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  • Like most Chileans Gonzalo Lira was a Catholic. I prayed a rosary for him and will have a mass said for him. If he was tortured by the Azov batallion, then we can hope that he was comforted by his childhood catholicism. 

    Let us continue to pray for the intentions of Russia and the conversion of the Pope (Or is it the other way around, I can't remember)