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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Catholic School Teacher Reprimanded for Quoting Saint
« on: April 23, 2017, 02:44:08 PM »
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  • Florida: Catholic diocese of Orlando reprimands schoolteacher for quoting saint on Islam
    APRIL 22, 2017 3:04 PM BY ROBERT SPENCER82 COMMENTS
    “Flanigan, the associate superintendent of Orlando Diocese schools, said ‘the information provided in the sixth grade class is not consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church.’”
    But the author of this material is a saint in the Catholic Church, St. John Bosco. So did a saint spread ideas that were “not consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church”? How, then, did he become a saint? Why didn’t his apparently heterodox, disrespectful, hateful teaching on Islam prevent his canonization?
    Or is it the “teachings of the Catholic Church” that changed? Since it is Catholic teaching that only divinely revealed dogmas are immutable, if the Church’s teaching on Islam has changed, it must not be divinely revealed dogma, but mere human opinion, from which there can be respectful disagreement, no?
    “She pointed to Nostra Aetate, an official Vatican docuмent Pope Paul VI released on Oct. 28, 1965. It stated that the Catholic Church regards Muslims ‘with esteem’ and urged Catholics to work with Muslims for peace and social justice.”
    Does the necessity to regard Muslims with esteem require that Catholics must not speak about the elements of Islam that jihadis use to justify violence, including the rampant global persecution of Christians?
    About John Bosco’s docuмent, we’re told: “Elsewhere in the text, Muhammad is described as a ‘charlatan,’ ‘villain,’ ‘ignoramus,’ ‘imposter’ and ‘false prophet’ who ‘couldn’t even write’ and ‘propagated his religion, not through miracles or persuasive words, but by military force.’ The Quran, the holy book of Islam, is also called ‘a series of errors, the most enormous ones being against morality and the worship of the true God.’”
    This is strong and pejorative language. Where did he get these ideas, that are inconsistent with Catholic teaching in the minds of the leaders of the diocese of Orlando that the teacher who spread this material deserved a reprimand? The Huffington Post, of course, takes it for granted that it is false to claim these things, but there is actually a case to be made that Islam spread through force and that Islamic morality is decisively different from Christian morality. Can there be any discussion of this at all? Or is all dissent from the charge that John Bosco’s claims are false to be punished and silenced?
    “Jordan Denari Duffner, a Catholic research fellow at Georgetown University’sBridge Initiative who studies Islamophobia, said it’s not uncommon for people on some conservative websites to selectively cite centuries-old anti-Muslim texts written by Catholic scholars and saints.”
    The Huffington Post doesn’t bother to tell you that the Bridge Initiative is a Saudi-funded endeavor to stigmatize and thereby shut down all critical speech about Islam, which would have the effect of enabling the global jihad to advance without a murmur of protest or resistance. The very word “Islamophobia” is a propaganda term designed to intimidate people into thinking it wrong to oppose jihad terror.
    “In the imagined dialogue between a father and his sons, the father explains how Jesus Christ is superior to the Prophet Muhammad…”
    Note how the Huffington Post favors Islam. If he were a neutral and evenhanded journalist, Christopher Mathias would write either “Jesus Christ and Muhammad” or “the Lord Jesus Christ and the Prophet Muhammad.” Giving the honorific only to Muhammad is yet another manifestation of the establishment media’s indefatigable imperative to push Islam on the populace and shame people into thinking that they’re bigots and racists for objecting to jihad terror and Sharia oppression.
    As for the diocese of Orlando: “Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
    “Teacher Gave 6th-Grade Students Reading That Called Islam ‘Immoral And Corrupting,’” by Christopher Mathias, Huffington Post, April 19, 2017 (thanks to William):
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    The Catholic diocese of Orlando, Florida, says it has reprimanded a teacher at a Catholic school in the state for giving his sixth-grade religion class an anti-Muslim reading assignment.
    Mark Smythe, a religion and social studies teacher at Blessed Trinity Catholic School in Ocala, gave students printouts of a 19th-century Catholic text that refers to Islam as a “monstrous mixture” of faiths. It also calls the doctrines of the Prophet Muhammad “ridiculous, immoral and corrupting.”
    “We have spoken to the principal of Blessed Trinity Catholic School, Ocala and to the teacher in question and have reprimanded the teacher for this unfortunate exhibit of disrespect,” Jacquelyn Flanigan, an associate superintendent at the Diocese of Orlando’s Catholic school system, said in a statement.
    Flanigan didn’t elaborate on what she meant by “reprimanded.” Smythe did not respond to a request for comment.
    A concerned mother with a child in Smythe’s class gave copies of the reading assignment to a friend, who then sent the copies to The Huffington Post through the Docuмenting Hate project.
    “[The mother] shared this with me while she could not stop crying,” the friend wrote.
    The reading assignment appears to be an excerpt from an 1853 text about Islam by priest Giovanni Bosco, who later became a saint.
    In the imagined dialogue between a father and his sons, the father explains how Jesus Christ is superior to the Prophet Muhammad, who “degrades and dishonors human nature and by placing all happiness in sensual pleasures, reduces man to the level of filthy animals.”
    Elsewhere in the text, Muhammad is described as a “charlatan,” “villain,” “ignoramus,” “imposter” and “false prophet” who “couldn’t even write” and “propagated his religion, not through miracles or persuasive words, but by military force.”
    The Quran, the holy book of Islam, is also called “a series of errors, the most enormous ones being against morality and the worship of the true God.”
    An internet search for Bosco’s take on Islam shows it is primarily referenced on fringe conservative Catholic sites and in the comment sections of anti-Muslim hate sites.


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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Catholic School Teacher Reprimanded for Quoting Saint
    « Reply #1 on: April 23, 2017, 02:59:48 PM »
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  • “I take pride to quote the words of John Paul II in speaking of Islam in 1985,” RabbiKaiman wrote. “’[There] are the important differences which we can accept with the humility and respect, in mutual tolerance; this is a mystery about which, I am certain, God will one day enlighten us.’” 



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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Catholic School Teacher Reprimanded for Quoting Saint
    « Reply #2 on: April 23, 2017, 03:11:56 PM »
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  • Humeraa Qamar, who is Muslim and whose Muslim daughter once attended Blessed Trinity, emailed the school to say the assignment “caused a lot of distress to the students in [the] class and also understandingly to the Muslim Americans living in Ocala, Fl including our family.” 
    Catholic schools and dioceses discriminate against Catholics. 
    There is need to keep track of anti Christian - anti American hate groups like Anti Christian  southern poverty law and huffing ton post. 
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    Re: Catholic School Teacher Reprimanded for Quoting Saint
    « Reply #3 on: April 23, 2017, 03:18:40 PM »
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  • The novus ordo sect and the school isn't Catholic. Hopefully, the teacher will take this incident to heart and embrace the true faith.

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    Re: Catholic School Teacher Reprimanded for Quoting Saint
    « Reply #4 on: April 23, 2017, 04:17:59 PM »
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  • It proves Vatican II docuмent breaks the first Commandment and denies Jesus Christ.  

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    Re: Catholic School Teacher Reprimanded for Quoting Saint
    « Reply #5 on: April 25, 2017, 12:01:26 PM »
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  • I found St. John Bosco's book under the following hyperlink:

    http://www.donboscosanto.eu/download_orig/Don_Bosco-Il_Cattolico_istruito_nella_sua_Religione-i.pdf

    With the exception of few excerpts, has it ever been translated into English in its entirety?

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    Re: Catholic School Teacher Reprimanded for Quoting Saint
    « Reply #6 on: April 25, 2017, 02:32:21 PM »
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  • I can very much understand the Muslim attending the Catholic school - usually an area's best schools are the Catholic schools.

    That being said, the Diocese was in the wrong. This is not hate by any stretch. You are talking about a man that lived eons before the mere idea of Nostra Aetate could've been conceived. Interfaith anything is a very new concept.
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    Re: Catholic School Teacher Reprimanded for Quoting Saint
    « Reply #7 on: April 25, 2017, 04:06:10 PM »
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  • A note:  Those states that take on vouchers, $$ for students in private/catholic schools, is a problem.  When you take money whether it be state/federal your private school is no longer private, it is Public.  The schools must follow all the state/federal laws.  

    Catholic, real catholic schools teach only Catholic teaching.  Any one who comes gets a catholic teaching.  If your so-called catholic school takes in muslims and such, beware!!  You have mingling and is that what you want for your children?  NO, you don't.


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    Welcome to sillyland beyond the pale of insanity
    « Reply #8 on: May 02, 2017, 07:35:48 AM »
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  • They need an animated icon of a man banging his head against a tree.  The best I can come up with is  :facepalm:.

    The Muslim "Holy Book" compares the doctrine of the Holy Trinity to urine.  Enough said.  Do you think maybe, perhaps there is something wrong with the doctrine of Islam?

    That being said, there are lots of "good Muslims" out there.  They are "good Muslims" because they are as clueless about Jihad, et al as Catholics are about the Immaculate Conception or the hypostatic union.  Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iran are chock full of people who just want to graduate from college and have their 1.3 kids and 2.4 dogs and a house and a yard and a car just like we do.  Characterizing these countries as full of jihadists is as insane as saying Pennsylvania is mostly Amish.  These people are about as cognizant of what "Allah Ackbar" means as Novus Ordoi-ites know what the phrase "Pater Noster" entails.

    That being said, what Dom Bosco said about Mohammed is downright ecuмenical compared to some accounts I have read.  Even a public school in New York would have been okay with this statement in 1960.  Now a "Catholic" school censures a teacher for quoting Dom Bosco on Mohammed.  Give me a break.  What will we have next?  Somebody censuring a quote from St Peter concerning the "ѕуηαgσgυє of satan" because that is antisemitic. 

    It is not so much the post I am commenting on as the replies.  They show a general state of mind of the readership of this forum that has spent way too much time watching the Clinton News Network and not enough time reading the catechism of the Council of Trent.

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    Re: Welcome to sillyland beyond the pale of insanity
    « Reply #9 on: May 02, 2017, 12:00:55 PM »
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  • They need an animated icon of a man banging his head against a tree.  The best I can come up with is  :facepalm:.

    The Muslim "Holy Book" compares the doctrine of the Holy Trinity to urine.  Enough said.  Do you think maybe, perhaps there is something wrong with the doctrine of Islam?

    That being said, there are lots of "good Muslims" out there.  They are "good Muslims" because they are as clueless about Jihad, et al as Catholics are about the Immaculate Conception or the hypostatic union.  Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iran are chock full of people who just want to graduate from college and have their 1.3 kids and 2.4 dogs and a house and a yard and a car just like we do.  Characterizing these countries as full of jihadists is as insane as saying Pennsylvania is mostly Amish.  These people are about as cognizant of what "Allah Ackbar" means as Novus Ordoi-ites know what the phrase "Pater Noster" entails.
    This is true. Most Middle Eastern Muslims are very liberal - they follow Western ideologies and very rarely practice Islam. They may fast for Ramadan but that's for cultural reasons only.
    Your average Jihadi is actually Western-born, male and an adolescent who became radicalized through the internet. Most of ISIS is Americans, British, Swedish, etc. The region itself is innocent.
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