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Offline SeanJohnson

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American Provocation: Carrier Heads for Black Sea
« on: August 19, 2023, 05:10:50 PM »
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    • Looks like they want a hot war any way they can get it.  Here, they are sending an aircraft carrier -today- to the Black Sea, which will surely cause the confrontation they are looking for:



    Update: Looks like there's an entire fleet escorting it there: Battleships, destroyers, probably submarines.

    The USS Vinson alone holds a crew of 6,012 sailers.
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    Re: American Provocation: Carrier Heads for Black Sea
    « Reply #1 on: August 19, 2023, 06:33:13 PM »
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    • The BRIICS nations are declaring war on the dollar with their gold-backed currency.  Economic war always precedes actual war.
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    Re: American Provocation: Carrier Heads for Black Sea
    « Reply #2 on: August 19, 2023, 07:21:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 19, 2023, 05:10:50 PM




    Comments from the crew of the Russian Belgorod Class submarine, "K-375 Knyaz Vladimir":


                      
    "У нас более чем достаточно торпед для этих устаревших надводных целей"

        
    Translated:  "We have more than enough torpedoes for those outdated surface targets."



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    Re: American Provocation: Carrier Heads for Black Sea
    « Reply #3 on: August 19, 2023, 07:40:26 PM »
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    • I confess that I wasn't able to watch the video ... I live on a farm and our DSL internet running on old rural phone lines won't support video.  With that said, any serious decimation of factual information is nearly always by written text with supporting references.

    The crew size for a Nimitz class carrier is overstated by about 1,000 in your post.

    There are ten Nimitz class carriers in the U.S. fleet.  Five are stationed on the east coast (Norfolk, VA and Newport News, VA), four on the west coast (Bremerton, WA and San Diego, CA, the Carl Vinson is based in San Diego), and one in Yokosuka, Japan.

    https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Files/Display-FactFiles/Article/2169795/aircraft-carriers-cvn

    Given the location of the Black Sea, and the only entrance into it being from the Mediterranean, it would seem to make way more sense to send a ship from a port on the U.S. east coast rather than one from a west coast port.  Even by sailing through the Panama Canal (and I wonder if a Nimitz class carrier would fit), sailing from Virginia is a shorter route to the Bosporus Strait than sailing from San Diego.
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    Re: American Provocation: Carrier Heads for Black Sea
    « Reply #4 on: August 19, 2023, 09:38:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: moneil on August 19, 2023, 07:40:26 PM
    I confess that I wasn't able to watch the video ... I live on a farm and our DSL internet running on old rural phone lines won't support video.  With that said, any serious decimation of factual information is nearly always by written text with supporting references.

    The crew size for a Nimitz class carrier is overstated by about 1,000 in your post.

    There are ten Nimitz class carriers in the U.S. fleet.  Five are stationed on the east coast (Norfolk, VA and Newport News, VA), four on the west coast (Bremerton, WA and San Diego, CA, the Carl Vinson is based in San Diego), and one in Yokosuka, Japan.

    https://www.navy.mil/Resources/Fact-Files/Display-FactFiles/Article/2169795/aircraft-carriers-cvn

    Given the location of the Black Sea, and the only entrance into it being from the Mediterranean, it would seem to make way more sense to send a ship from a port on the U.S. east coast rather than one from a west coast port.  Even by sailing through the Panama Canal (and I wonder if a Nimitz class carrier would fit), sailing from Virginia is a shorter route to the Bosporus Strait than sailing from San Diego.

    Nope:

    Crew size = 6,012

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Carl_Vinson
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    Re: American Provocation: Carrier Heads for Black Sea
    « Reply #5 on: August 19, 2023, 11:14:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 19, 2023, 09:38:40 PM
    Nope:

    Crew size = 6,012

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Carl_Vinson
    Your number is coming from Wikipedia, and I use Wiki a lot, most of the time it is reasonable accurate.  However, my data about crew size came from an official U.S. naval website, and I think that trumps Wkipedia in this case.  From the link I posted:

    General Characteristics, Nimitz class (The Carl Vinson is a Nimitz class carrier)
    Crew: Ship's Company: 3,000-3,200, air wing: 1,500, other: 500

    Those numbers add up to between 5,000 and 5,200.
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    Re: American Provocation: Carrier Heads for Black Sea
    « Reply #6 on: August 20, 2023, 01:20:15 PM »
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    • And now F-18's to Poland:

     
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