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Ahmadinejad on 911
« on: September 25, 2010, 12:14:48 AM »
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  • I think he makes some very rational points -- he is looking at this very objectively -- explaining what "doesn't add up" even better than I could.

    The words of the president of Iran, Ahmadinejad:


    Via: Islamic Republic News Agency:

    …The event of the 11 September 2001 which has affected the whole world for almost a decade.

    All of a sudden, the news of the attack on the twin towers was broadcast using numerous footages of the incident.

    Almost all governments and known figures strongly condemned this incident.

    But then a propaganda machine came into full force; it was implied that the whole world was exposed to a huge danger, namely terrorism, and that the only way to save the world would be to deploy forces into Afghanistan.

    Eventually Afghanistan, and shortly thereafter Iraq were occupied.

    Please take note:

    It was said that some three thousands people were killed on the II September for which we are all very saddened. Yet, up until now, in Afghanistan and Iraq hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, millions wounded and displaced and the conflict is still going on and expanding.

    In identifying those responsible for the attack, there were three viewpoints.

    1- That a very powerful and complex terrorist group, able to successfully cross all layers of the American intelligence and security, carried out the attack. This is the main viewpoint advocated by American statesmen.

    2- That some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to save the Zionist regime.
    The majority of the American people as well as other nations and politicians agree with this view.

    3- It was carried out by a terrorist group but the American government supported and took advantage of the situation. Apparently, this viewpoint has fewer proponents.

    The main evidence linking the incident was a few passports found in the huge volume of rubble and a video of an individual whose place of domicile was unknown but it was announced that he had been involved in oil deals with some American officials. It was also covered up and said that due to the explosion and fire no trace of the ѕυιcιdє attackers was found.

    There remain, however, a few questions to be answered:

    1- Would it not have been sensible that first a thorough investigation should have been conducted by independent groups to conclusively identify the elements involved in the attack and then map out a rational plan to take measures against them?

    2- Assuming the viewpoint of the American government, is it rational to launch a classic war through widespread deployment of troops that led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people to counter a terrorist group?

    3- Was it not possible to act the way Iran countered the Riggi terrorist group who killed and wounded 400 innocent people in Iran. In the Iranian operation no innocent person was hurt.

    It is proposed that the United Nations set up an independent fact-finding group for the event of the II September so that in the future expressing views about it is not forbidden.

    I wish to announce here that next year the Islamic Republic of Iran will host a conference to study terrorism and the means to confront it. I invite officials, scholars, thinkers, researchers and research institutes of all countries to attend this conference.
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    Ahmadinejad on 911
    « Reply #1 on: September 26, 2010, 12:04:48 PM »
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  • Hi Matthew,

    I'm confused by your sentiments given that you are Catholic (I assume).  
    Are you a Catholic who believes we worship God together with the Muslims?  Do you believe that Jesus made several religions and that Islam is one of them?

    I'm curious because I believe that Islam is of the devil who put it on earth to stop the spread of Christianity.

    I believe Muhammad is an anti-Christ.

    What are your beliefs?  


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    « Reply #2 on: September 26, 2010, 12:12:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Leisa
    I believe Muhammad is an anti-Christ.  


    Yes he was, and was called that by a Pope.  Tradition says that the Antichrist will be a Jєω, and America's popular culture and public discourse is dominated by Jєωs.

    Is there a reason that you see Matthew's post as somehow indicating sympathy for Islamic beliefs?

    Do you recognize that sympathy for Muslims who are demonized (when many of them are more Catholic in their morality and even their beliefs than most baptized Catholics) is not the same as support for Islam?


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    « Reply #3 on: September 26, 2010, 12:14:53 PM »
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  • Sorry, one more comment, is "rational" really the right word to use for someone who believes that Muslilms who convert to Christianity must be killed?

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/12/iran-convert-to-christianity-stabbed-to-death----after-ahmadinejad-says-i-will-stop-christianity-in.html

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    « Reply #4 on: September 26, 2010, 12:17:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: Leisa
    Sorry, one more comment, is "rational" really the right word to use for someone who believes that Muslilms who convert to Christianity must be killed?

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/12/iran-convert-to-christianity-stabbed-to-death----after-ahmadinejad-says-i-will-stop-christianity-in.html


    The Church once conducted trials for heresy.

    If one believed Islam is a true religion would it be less rational than the teachings of the Church regarding punishment for heresy?

    If anything it would seem Muslims take their religion seriously, as Catholics did in the past.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 26, 2010, 12:28:36 PM »
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  • Telesphorus,

    Not "sympathy for Islamic beliefs", sympathy for an Islamic dictator's beliefs.


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    « Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 12:31:47 PM »
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  • Wow, so you think the Church was right kill heretics?  Interesting.  I dont think many people find that to be one of the churches shinning moments.  Nor do I know anyone who thinks the church should return to murdering heretics.

    And can you please give me a reference to a dogmatic teaching of the Church that states that heretics will be killed?



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    « Reply #7 on: September 26, 2010, 12:32:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: Leisa
    Telesphorus,

    Not "sympathy for Islamic beliefs", sympathy for an Islamic dictator's beliefs.



    Why do you call him a dictator?  He is not.

    And his views on 9/11 have nothing to do with theology.

    I speak to Iranians frequently and I find them far more balanced and rational than many Catholics on these forums and in many traditional Catholic chapels.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 26, 2010, 12:36:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: Leisa
    And can you please give me a reference to a dogmatic teaching of the Church that states that heretics will be killed?


    The Church approved of it for centuries.  St. Augustine considered heresy worse than murder.  

    If the Church approved of an intrinsically evil legal process for centuries then it would be hard to believe that the Church is a divine institution.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 26, 2010, 08:06:47 PM »
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  • President Ahmadinejad Meets Neturei Karta Rabbis - 9/24/2007



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      I have to admire those of other faiths that seem to have an earnest desire for the truth. They seem to have more of a Christian demeanor then most Christians I know.

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    re - Zionists  

    "If they could they will destroy 6 billion people in the world"

    Ahmadinejad Meeting With Anti-Zionist Jєωs





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    « Reply #10 on: September 26, 2010, 10:23:38 PM »
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  • I'm not not a Jєω, and I'm not a Muslim, I am a Christian.

    Matthew 10:14
    And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet.

    John 8.5-11
    Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? And this they said tempting him, that they might accuse him. But Jesus bowing himself down, wrote with his finger on the ground. When therefore they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again stooping down, he wrote on the ground. But they hearing this, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest. And Jesus alone remained, and the woman standing in the midst. Then Jesus lifting up himself, said to her: Woman, where are they that accused thee? Hath no man condemned thee? Who said: No man, Lord. And Jesus said: Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more.





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    Ahmadinejad on 911
    « Reply #11 on: September 27, 2010, 12:40:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: Leisa
    Hi Matthew,

    I'm confused by your sentiments given that you are Catholic (I assume).  
    Are you a Catholic who believes we worship God together with the Muslims?  Do you believe that Jesus made several religions and that Islam is one of them?

    I'm curious because I believe that Islam is of the devil who put it on earth to stop the spread of Christianity.

    I believe Muhammad is an anti-Christ.

    What are your beliefs?  


    I am a traditional Catholic who believes what Catholics have always believed.

    I believe Islam is a false religion (it should be considered a heresy, according to Hillaire Belloc) with plenty of paganism.

    Jesus Christ set up His Church, the only true Church in which men can be saved.

    I believe the mainstream media likes to have its bad guys (you haven't read "Nineteen Eighty Four", have you...), and that Ahmadinejad is the latest bogeyman being put forth. The fact you refer to him as a dictator is hilarious. So every man that crosses the saintly United States is automatically a frothy-mouthed, wild-eyed crazed tyrant, who kills his own minions like Darth Vader? Give me a break. Ahmadinejad doesn't even wield much (any?) power in Iran -- he's the President. Kind of like a spokesman or figurehead. The CathInfo member "Spouse of Jesus" can clarify -- she knows much more than I do, being as she lives in Iran.

    I've heard the man talk, and though we disagree on religion (like TENS of MILLIONS of my own American countrymen...), he actually speaks words of logic, common sense, and reason when it comes to the Jєωιѕн question, the Palestinian people, and 9/11. Truth is truth. It doesn't matter who speaks it. If your worst enemy told you that 5+5 is 10, would you vehemently believe otherwise, just because it was your enemy who said it?

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    « Reply #12 on: September 27, 2010, 12:44:48 AM »
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  • The way people say things, their choice of words, often give things away.

    For example --

    You can tell that Leisa's thought is very rudimentary on this issue.

    Basically, she has Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the category "bad guy" which is why she easily mixed him up with a man so COMPLETELY DIFFERENT such as Kim Jong-Il, who is a dictator in North Korea -- another "bad guy".

    Are there really any similarities between these men, besides the fact they both oppose the USA and hence are labeled "bad guys" by the jingoistic mainstream media?

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    « Reply #13 on: September 27, 2010, 07:19:37 AM »
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  • Neocons are trying to get this Iranian leader in same category as Hitler, provoking an emotional response that would then prompt action.
    Problem-action-solution....

    How you often train dogs.....
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    « Reply #14 on: September 27, 2010, 07:22:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: Leisa
    I'm confused by your sentiments given that you are Catholic (I assume).


    um, yeah, hence the name of the site!

    Stick around, learn more but always keep an option for yourself (like going to FE).

    They get off on calling for mass killings of Arabs and Muslims.....see MR. Sip Sip,et al.
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic