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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Abp. Vigano
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2026, 10:52:40 AM »
SVs in particular are master slanderers ... accusing one person after another of being "controlled opposition" simply for not being dogmatic SVs, as if someone couldn't simply be WRONG about something.  These are the same types who long accused Archbishop Lefebvre of being controlled opposition since he wasn't SV.  But SVism is just so obvious that only an agent of controlled opposition would not see its glorious light.  Perhaps some of them are turned off to SVism by the gaggle of slanderers they constantly see out there, eh?

This reminds me of Fr(?) Ripperger, where anything bad that happens must be a demon, so that if you have flatulence, it's the "demon of flatulence", and not the bean burrito you had eaten for dinner.

Unless you have significant, credible evidence that someone isn't just WRONG about something, then these accusations are nothing short of slander and calumny.  And at the very least you have to be able to point to some harm they're doing in order to justify the speculation at all.

Someone like Huonder or Schneider ... solid cases can be made for them based on their behavior and the context of their activities, and you can see the harm they're doing (well, past tense of Huonder), gatekeeping people from leaving the Conciliar Church.

There's literally absolutely nothing in terms of harm that anyone has pointed to for +Vigano, and not a shred of evidence, circuмstantial or otherwise, to indicate that he's not a "real convert Trad".  Nothing.  Zero.  Just a few ridiculous crackpot slanders about "So may it be." and that he's a Luciferian sun worshipper since he referred to Christ as the Sun ... which not a few Church Fathers did.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Abp. Vigano
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2026, 11:01:26 AM »
I also agree with you.  Vigano's involvement with the ReAwaken America tour, which many speakers are New Age, and his constant endorsement of Trump is very disturbing to me.  He never called on those participating to the conversion to the true faith or condemned Trumps pro-sodimite, pro-Israel, pro-abortion stances.  He focuses on a deep state and deep church as the boogie men rather than our personal sins which cry out to God for vengeance.  My personal opinion is he may be an infiltrator into the resistance and sedevacantists camps.  By throwing out some traditional Catholic statements, he makes himself appear traditional.  Of course, this is only my opinion and I truly pray for strong Catholic leaders to preach true Catholic dogma.

That's all nonsense, more narrative from the slanderers.  He gave a 5-minute pre-recorded video talk to what was primarily a political rally, about a specific topic.

I called out the lies earlier about his forcus on political things rather than spiritual ... slanderer who have not read his body of works, but takes 2-minute clips out of context from the rest of his work to smear him with.  This clown clumniator says he talks about nothing other than politics, and never talks about sin or theology, and I posted links to his 5 volumes of sermons following the Liturgical Year, and postsed his last one on Christmas, where he called out all the sins that this same slanderous clown listed as his "NEVER" talking about.

Do I need to post his sermons again, showing precisely where he's condemned one sin after another?  No, I shouldn't have to, since you should have done the research before spewing your slanders and your lies.  Go actually learn about what he's said, taught, etc. ... before spewing slander on internet forums.

Your "personal opinion" is nothing but slander.  You're just a bunch of liars who make this crap up without knowing anything about what he spends most of his time speaking about.  He takes 2 minutes to speak on behalf of someone jailed for opposing the Plandemic, and now that's ALL he talks about.  You could find 30-minute talks from Bishop Williamson about political isues, FAR MORE time than +Vigano has ever spent on them.

He's infiltrated nothing, you liar ... with very little connection to any other groups, other than having sought conditional consecration from Bishop Wiliamson.  He has no ongoing relationship with any group.  He's done absolutely nothing to draw people away from these groups, not "converted" a single sedevacantist or R&R to ... to what?  I don't even know what he'd be converting them to, or what he's accomplished.  If he's controlled opposition infiltrator ... he's got to be the lamest controlled opposition gatekeeper in the history of controlled opposition infiltrators.  Least he could have done was to not be conditionally ordained and then start ordaining some Trad priests, and start drawing vocations from SSPX and SV seminaries, etc.  He's dont absolutely nothing as an "infilitrator".

As for his support of Trump, despite the narrative of his slanderers, he's made a total of 3-4 statements about Trump, most of which, if you look at the diplomatic language, were simply calculated to tug on Trump's ego in order to get him to move in the right direction.  He's a trained diplomat and knows that Trump has a yuge ego that can be manipulated.  If you look at what he wrote in that one letter the sladerers pounce on, he made some very-well crafted statements that appealed to Trump's ego while saying that he "dared hope" that Trump was sincere, motivated by good, etc.  He knows that if you criticize Trump, he'll just double down in the opposite direction of the criticism, since that's just who the guy is.  But there's nothing even remotely egregious about his support for Trump, and again it's more people who take the 3 or 4 sentences he's said on the matter out of context.

And, to the extent he did support Trump, he was wrong.  I was practically shouted won off this forum, while Matthew allowed Conciliar trolls to come in here shilling for Trump, and was himself shiling for Trump, and then celebrating when Trump got elected.  So is Matthew also an infiltrator?  Or just wrong?  I was told that all Trad priests contradicted me and that therefore I was wrong to oppose Trump.  So even long-standing Trad priests were out there promoting a vote for Trump and butchering Catholic moral theology to do so.  Maybe they're all infiltrators too.  Or ... they're just wrong.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Abp. Vigano
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2026, 11:11:52 AM »
What I posted above is critical.

IF +VIGANO IS A CONTROLLED OPPOSITION INFILTRATOR, HE'S THE LAMEST CONTROLLED OPPOSITION INFILTRATOR IN THE HISTORY OF CONTROLLED OPPOSITION INFILITRATORS.

This speaks to the fact that a remotely credible conspiracy theory requires at the very least a halfway decent cui bono.  What has +Vigano accomplished ... pulling people away from SV groups, from the Resistance?  I doubt a single individual from those groups has even been slightly influenced.  Only influence he's exerted has been on conservative Conciliar types, breaking the taboo they had set up against criticizing Vatican II or the New Mass, which is step in the right direction, removing a major obstacle from some of them becoming Traditional Catholics.  He received conditional consecration ... and you'd expected a controlled opposition person not to have, precisely to create doubt and confusion among any priests he might unlreash out there.  He's not founded any significant rival group, just basically a halfway house for priests leaving the Conciliar Church.

Online Pax Vobis

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Re: Abp. Vigano
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2026, 08:37:14 PM »

And where "Recognize & Resist" fails is in believing Opus Dei's Kayfabe story line that Vigano is a real convert Trad and Bernadine's jew-boy seminarian, Bob Prevost is the Pope.

:laugh1:

That’s the whole point.  Neither side has all the answers.  So people need to stop fighting as if their side was 100% correct.  

Re: Abp. Vigano
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2026, 11:54:00 PM »
That's all nonsense, more narrative from the slanderers.  He gave a 5-minute pre-recorded video talk to what was primarily a political rally, about a specific topic.

I called out the lies earlier about his forcus on political things rather than spiritual ... slanderer who have not read his body of works, but takes 2-minute clips out of context from the rest of his work to smear him with.  This clown clumniator says he talks about nothing other than politics, and never talks about sin or theology, and I posted links to his 5 volumes of sermons following the Liturgical Year, and postsed his last one on Christmas, where he called out all the sins that this same slanderous clown listed as his "NEVER" talking about.

Do I need to post his sermons again, showing precisely where he's condemned one sin after another?  No, I shouldn't have to, since you should have done the research before spewing your slanders and your lies.  Go actually learn about what he's said, taught, etc. ... before spewing slander on internet forums.

Your "personal opinion" is nothing but slander.  You're just a bunch of liars who make this crap up without knowing anything about what he spends most of his time speaking about.  He takes 2 minutes to speak on behalf of someone jailed for opposing the Plandemic, and now that's ALL he talks about.  You could find 30-minute talks from Bishop Williamson about political isues, FAR MORE time than +Vigano has ever spent on them.

He's infiltrated nothing, you liar ... with very little connection to any other groups, other than having sought conditional consecration from Bishop Wiliamson.  He has no ongoing relationship with any group.  He's done absolutely nothing to draw people away from these groups, not "converted" a single sedevacantist or R&R to ... to what?  I don't even know what he'd be converting them to, or what he's accomplished.  If he's controlled opposition infiltrator ... he's got to be the lamest controlled opposition gatekeeper in the history of controlled opposition infiltrators.  Least he could have done was to not be conditionally ordained and then start ordaining some Trad priests, and start drawing vocations from SSPX and SV seminaries, etc.  He's dont absolutely nothing as an "infilitrator".

As for his support of Trump, despite the narrative of his slanderers, he's made a total of 3-4 statements about Trump, most of which, if you look at the diplomatic language, were simply calculated to tug on Trump's ego in order to get him to move in the right direction.  He's a trained diplomat and knows that Trump has a yuge ego that can be manipulated.  If you look at what he wrote in that one letter the sladerers pounce on, he made some very-well crafted statements that appealed to Trump's ego while saying that he "dared hope" that Trump was sincere, motivated by good, etc.  He knows that if you criticize Trump, he'll just double down in the opposite direction of the criticism, since that's just who the guy is.  But there's nothing even remotely egregious about his support for Trump, and again it's more people who take the 3 or 4 sentences he's said on the matter out of context.

And, to the extent he did support Trump, he was wrong.  I was practically shouted won off this forum, while Matthew allowed Conciliar trolls to come in here shilling for Trump, and was himself shiling for Trump, and then celebrating when Trump got elected.  So is Matthew also an infiltrator?  Or just wrong?  I was told that all Trad priests contradicted me and that therefore I was wrong to oppose Trump.  So even long-standing Trad priests were out there promoting a vote for Trump and butchering Catholic moral theology to do so.  Maybe they're all infiltrators too.  Or ... they're just wrong.
Wow, I guess triggered you.
I stated my opinion on my observations.