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    Re: Abp. Vigano
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 04:54:24 PM »
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  • When was this video recorded?

    I haven't heard about Reiner Füllmich in awhile.
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    Re: Abp. Vigano
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  • Does Vigano ever tell people to repent of their sins and attend true Mass so they don't go to hell? What is the point of talking about worldly affairs all the time?

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    Re: Abp. Vigano
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 06:15:53 PM »
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  • Because he is a New order, Mason. a Globalist.  He just yaks to the winds

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    Re: Abp. Vigano
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 06:20:45 PM »
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  • Because he is a New order, Mason. a Globalist.  He just yaks to the winds

    So far I have seen him going against the Novus Ordo. Why do you say he is not? And what proof do you have that he is a Freemason and globalist?

    You need to be careful of the reputation of other people.


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    Re: Abp. Vigano - Reiner Füllmich 2025 - in jail.
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 07:56:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Geremia 12/28/2025, 4:54:24 PM
    When was this video recorded?

    I haven't heard about Reiner Füllmich in awhile.

    https://www.bluewin.ch/en/news/international/lateral-thinker-embezzles-700000-euros-in-donations-prison-sentence-2667382.html

    I know nothing about this lawyer...Quick search says he was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in jail, April 24, 2025, for embezzlement.  Looks like he still has many supporters, so it is anyones' guess if he is innocent or not.

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    "...The well-known coronavirus critic Reiner Fuellmich has been sentenced to three years and nine months' imprisonment by Göttingen District Court. The court is convinced that the 66-year-old former lawyer embezzled a total of 700,000 euros in donations from the "Corona Committee" for private purposes. Fuellmich testified during the trial that he had wanted to protect the money "from the state".
    According to the court, he transferred 200,000 euros to his wife's account and a further 500,000 euros to his own account, including for house and garden work. This was done without the consent of the three other shareholders of the "Corona Committee", as several German media reported unanimously. The court saw this as a violation of the company's articles of association.
    A German journalist commented on the case as follows: "He presented himself as a fighter against the 'corona scam' - and diverted donations to the 'Corona Committee' for himself."..."

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    Re: Abp. Vigano
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 08:08:15 PM »
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  • This whole video is an utter scandal. Millions of souls are headed straight to hell because of unbelief, lust, heresy, pride, thievery, atheism, violation of their marital obligations, contraception, ignorance of the faith, neglect of their duties of state, hatred, violation of the Sunday, sodomy, socialism, desecration of the sacraments, and countless other mortal sins, and all this guy can say is, "You all must prevent this activist lawyer from being punished for opposing leftist politicians!" How is anyone supposed to do that, anyway??!

    I'm sorry if this offends people, but it is a scandal to consider Vigano a Catholic bishop. :facepalm:

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    Re: Abp. Vigano
    « Reply #7 on: Today at 12:24:45 PM »
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  • Vigano, for all it's worth, retains New Order.  New Order is masonry.  Those who attend new order are walking into Masonry.  All new order parishes have been restructured.  Parishes are now known as Civil Society Organizations that now answer to the United Nations. And the U.N. is for all rights be they abortion, the alphabet perverts, etc.

    Now, where is Vigano after 60 years or more of the Crisis of the Church?  He is all wind and no go.


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    Re: Abp. Vigano
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  • Vigano, for all it's worth, retains New Order.  New Order is masonry.  Those who attend new order are walking into Masonry.  All new order parishes have been restructured.  Parishes are now known as Civil Society Organizations that now answer to the United Nations. And the U.N. is for all rights be they abortion, the alphabet perverts, etc.

    Now, where is Vigano after 60 years or more of the Crisis of the Church?  He is all wind and no go.

    What on earth are you babbling about?  What does "retain New Order" mean?  He's not in any "new order parish", and never has been, actually ... as he was a diplomat / nuncio type his entire career.

    +Vigano exclusively offers the Tridentine Mass and has condemned the Novus Ordo Mass as non-Catholic.  I just haven't found the texts where he does so.  I don't believe, however, that I've ever seen him tell people that "you're committing a mortal sin" if you go to a NOM, where he was probably along the lines of Bishop Williamson's softer approach (for which +?Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko attacked him later).

    This is the kind of stuff I get so sick of here, that slander goes unchecked.  For years some of you were claiming he was a Mason because he concluded his various talks with "So may it be ...", claiming it was the "So mote it be ..." of Masons.  I suggested this was likely a translation of "Amen", and this was confirmed by an Italian Traditional Catholic who mentioned that his Traditional Italian priest concluded his sermons with the Italian equivalent, and even showed a Traditional pre-Vatican II Missal that had the Latin Amen translated into that Latin.  Of course, the Masons are notorious for syncretism of various pieces of different religious rites ... but none of that stopped the slanderers from continuing to repeat that charge after it had been completely debunked.

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    Re: Abp. Vigano
    « Reply #9 on: Today at 12:38:13 PM »
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  • Does Vigano ever tell people to repent of their sins and attend true Mass so they don't go to hell? What is the point of talking about worldly affairs all the time?

    What a question. Have you heard a substantial amount of his sermons and real life and find them lacking?

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    Re: Abp. Vigano
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  • Well, who does Vigano answer to?  Rome?   He says an indult mass?


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    Re: Abp. Vigano
    « Reply #11 on: Today at 12:47:54 PM »
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  • This whole video is an utter scandal. Millions of souls are headed straight to hell because of unbelief, lust, heresy, pride, thievery, atheism, violation of their marital obligations, contraception, ignorance of the faith, neglect of their duties of state, hatred, violation of the Sunday, sodomy, socialism, desecration of the sacraments, and countless other mortal sins, and all this guy can say is, "You all must prevent this activist lawyer from being punished for opposing leftist politicians!" How is anyone supposed to do that, anyway??!

    I'm sorry if this offends people, but it is a scandal to consider Vigano a Catholic bishop. :facepalm:

    No, it's not about "offense" but about truth, justice vs. detraction and calumny.  What's a "scandal" is for radical SV mini-popes to declare +Vigano for no legitimate reason whatsoever.

    Has your hatred for the man also crippled your brain where you take a clip that's under 2 minutes and conclude from that that, what?, it's the only thing he's every talked about and that he hasn't addressed other issues?  You could find 20-minute clips of Bishop Williamson talking about Oklahoma City, about Putin / Ukraine, 9/11, the h0Ɩ0h0αx, etc.

    So bishops are not allowed to take 2 minutes out of their day to make a statement about a lawyer who was imprisoned for attempting to expose the COVID hoax?

    Will you give him permission to use the toilet ... given that there are millions on the way to hell?

    Are you insane?

    What's wrong with some of you people?

    Archbishop Vigano publishes his sermons online, and various other writings, and he treats of all kinds of subjects, including many of the things you listed there.  But that's ALL he can say?  I've rarely seen anyone post something more stupid than this, and it's evidence of that fact that the radical SVs have never given the man the slightest benefit of the doubt but have some deep-seated contempt for him simply because he had been in the Novus Ordo, and are looking for about anything they can find to slander him.

    This is reinforced by the fact that you add disrespect to the slander by referring to him as "this guy".  That's not how you address a bishop or a priest, buddy.  I have serious disagreements with Bishop Pivarunas, and many others, but I'd never have the temerity to call him "this guy".

    And of course much of the content depends on your audience.  I've never seen a Traditional Catholic priest, in 35 years, speak out against contraception, for instance, or atheism, or most of the things you list.  Why?  Because it's a waste of time in the context of Traditional Catholics, where you're preaching to the choir.

    You need to examine your conscience.

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    Re: Abp. Vigano
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  • What a question. Have you heard a substantial amount of his sermons and real life and find them lacking?

    So, he's making a snap judgment from a clip under 2 minutes that it's "all" ... "this guy" talks about, ever, where he's never spoken of anything else other than about Fuellmich.  That is so painfully idiotic that it's veritable smoking gun proof that they despise this man and have no charity toward him whatsoever.  That's been going on here for years now, where a gaggle of radical SVs here refuse to give him a break simply because he had been a high-ranking member of the Conciliar Church for so many years ... as if people can't be converted, such as St. Paul, who went from persecutor of Christians to one of the greatest Apostles.  I suspect that the motivation here is the same one from Our Lord's parable about the guy who got hired in the 11th hour and got the same pay as the guy who had worked all day.  On a natural level, of course, that does seem "unfair".  But the point of it is a supernatural one, namely, that, to paraphrase St. Augustine when he was attacked for his former life, it's the same grace that converted him which prevented them from being in that state in the first place.  Similarly, the same undeserved unmerited grace that has allowed many of us to be Traditional Catholics for decades, that same grace is what converted Archbishop Vigano, and he is in no way inferior to us or to Trad priests or bishops who had been out there for decades simply because he received that grace later, for whatever reason.

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    Re: Abp. Vigano
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  • Does Vigano ever tell people to repent of their sins and attend true Mass so they don't go to hell? What is the point of talking about worldly affairs all the time?

    "all the time", eh?  You can come to that conclusion from a clip that lasts 1 minutes and 57 seconds?  It's obvious that you don't follow or read him on a regular basis, since if you did you'd know what a slander that is.  In fact, his last post on X is a multi-volume set that's being prepared ...

    https://x.com/CarloMVigano/status/1999797736753815906

    ... consisting of "homilies and mediations" following the feasts of the Liturgical Year

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    volume I - Advent, Christmas, Epiphany (already available)
    volume II  - Lent, Easter, Ascension, Pentecost (February 2026)
    volume III - Feasts of the Blessed Virgin (March 2026)
    volume IV - Other feasts of the liturgical year (June 2026)

    ... and pretty much every Sunday and every Feast day he publishes his homlies.

    But ALL he ever talks about is Fuellmich.

    Last individual one he published can be found here ...
    https://exsurgedomine.it/251225-gloria-eng/

    Please have a look at the bolded section, since it actually hits upon much of your checklist that you claimed he never speaks of:

    abortion, euthanasia, fraud, injustice, toleration of evil, attacks on the family, sodomy, gαy "marriage", surrogate motherhood, genetic engineering, masculinization of women, effeminization of men, exploitation of the poor, debt slavery, imprisoning the innocent, not punishing the criminals, corruption of the youth with the worst vices, ridicule of chastity, Muslim prayer calls drowning out Christian holidays, lust for money and power, poisoning people with pharma, wars for profit slaughtering the innocent, chemtrails, poisoning of the food supply, arresting those silently praying at abortion clinics, speaking truth classified as hate speech, Church eclipsed by a sect of heretics, fornictators, and the otherwise corrupt ...

    Good enough for you?  But because he made a brief (under-two-minute) statement on behalf of Fuellmer, that's ALL he speaks about.  And of course, you also deride Fuellmer as if he were just some random self-seeking "activist lawyer", rather than someone who was imprisoned for attempting to expose the COVID hoax.
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    If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you (Jn 15:20). And from the very moment of His Birth secundum carnem, Our Lord has been persecuted: even in swaddling clothes, Herod’s soldiers sought Him out in order to kill the Child whom Herod feared might overshadow his earthly power. Martyrs of a false monarch appointed by the emperor, the Holy Innocents, whose memory we will celebrate in a few days, were the first – children themselves – to be martyred by a power as tyrannical as it was illegitimate, which for this very reason had to impose itself with violence, even on the youngest and most defenseless. Crudelis Herodes, Deum venire quid times? says the hymn for the Epiphany: “Cruel Herod, why do you fear the coming God?” New Herods, throughout history and especially in this grim twilight that marks the collapse of Christian civilization, have inflicted and continue to inflict suffering on the little ones, in order to crucify again and again, in His members, the Divine Head of the Mystical Body. Their lineage perpetuates through the centuries the blind and vengeful aversion of those who know they are usurpers and fear the arrival of the King, because it would represent the end of their frauds. They fear His return even more, because in the Second Coming – this time in the dazzling glory of the Rex tremendae maiestatis – it will not be Our Lord who flees from His enemies, but He Himself will drag them before Him and judge them before the world, and based on the universal evidence of their crimes they will be plunged into the abyss. The violence of the wicked hides the terror of the awareness that their days are literally numbered.

    Glory to God in the highest heavens, and peace on earth to men of good will, the Angels sing over the cave of Bethlehem. Peace: the more we hear this word repeated by the world, and unfortunately even by those at the highest levels of the Church, the more it loses its meaning and reveals itself for what it is: the illusion, or rather the presumption, of being able to have peace in the world after having deliberately driven out Our Lord, Princeps Pacis (Is 9:5); the mad delirium of glorifying man for his non-existent and blasphemous infinite dignity, in the rebellious denial of the sovereign rights of Christ the King and High Priest, and in the systematic subversion of God’s Commandments. Let us not forget, dear faithful: the Antichrist is simia Christi – the ape of Christ – just as Satan is simia Dei – the ape of God. It is in the reversal wrought by the revolution that his infernal kingdom is realized: instead of the whole world composed in peace – toto orbe in pace composito – that marks the Birth of the Divine Savior, it is in the whole world divided in war – toto orbe in bello diviso – that we recognize the mark of the Enemy of mankind, a murderer from the beginning, a liar and the father of lies (Jn 8:44). On one side the Light, on the other the darkness. On one side the Truth, on the other the lie. On one side the Peace of Christ in the Kingdom of Christ, on the other the war of the Antichrist in the tyranny of the Antichrist. Darkness fears the Light, just as fraud fears the Truth, and as χάος fears κόσμος.

    Glory to God, peace to men; where the glory of God is the premise and condition for men of good will – that is, those who observe His Commandments and put them into practice with true Charity enlightened by Faith – to have true peace. “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives.” (Jn 14:27). Not with lies, not with fraud, not with injustice and iniquity; not in the disorder of sin and the tolerance of evil. Not where the innocent are killed in the mother’s womb and the elderly in their hospital beds. Not where the natural family is persecuted and blamed, while sodomitic unions are qualified as “marriages” and surrogate motherhood is legalized in the most abject exploitation of women and mothers. Not where nature itself is tampered with, to erase from man that Image and Likeness of his Creator which the Serpent detests. Not where man is emasculated and woman masculinized. Not where those who work must be treated as slaves to enrich their masters. Not where the guilty are acquitted and the innocent imprisoned. Not where fiction replaces reality, where poverty is an opportunity for profit, where purity and chastity are ridiculed and the worst vices are promoted and encouraged even among the youngest. Not where the clamor of the scelesta turba cancels Christian holidays, not where the sound of bells gives way to the cry of the muezzin, while the rulers – who proclaim themselves secular when they prohibit Nativity scenes and Crucifixes – proudly pay homage to the Jєωιѕн festival of Hanukkah, whose lights have taken the place of the Nativity of Our Lord. Not where the lust for money and power has taken the place of honor and honesty. Not where subversive powers command politicians without dignity and decency, and where information is subservient to and complicit in lies. Not where healthy people are made sick to feed the pharmaceutical Moloch and millions of human beings are sent to the slaughter to enrich arms manufacturers. Not where the sunlight is obscured and the air, water, and fields are poisoned, livestock are massacred, and crops are destroyed for the benefit of multinational corporations. Not where silently praying in front of an abortion clinic leads to arrest, and where telling the truth on social media is considered hate speech. Not where every authority, at every level, governs illegitimately, legislating against God and against man. Not where people delude themselves into thinking they can escape God’s gaze, while imposing total control over the masses. Not where the Holy Church – beata pacis visio – is eclipsed by a sect of heretics, fornicators, and corrupt individuals. Not where those who want to remain faithful to Our Lord are erased and excommunicated by mercenaries who usurp His name while demanding obedience.

    The servants of the Antichrist want us to believe that there is no way out, that this war is already lost, and that each of us must resign ourselves to living in this infernal dystopia, without the possibility of driving out the usurpers, traitors, and accomplices of this global coup. The terror of God’s enemies is, in fact, the fear of losing a power obtained through fraud and exercised illegitimately; and that our determination to remain faithful to Christ will expose their criminal deception and force them to reveal themselves for what they truly are.

    Let us turn our gaze to the Holy Child. In these thick shadows that surround us, let us look to Him, the true Light that enlightens every man (Jn 1:9). Let us look to the King of kings, who, in obedience to the Father, chose to become incarnate and die for us. Puer natus est nobis, we sang at the introit: a Child is born for us. For us: propter nos homines et propter nostram salutem, for us men and for our salvation. Look at Him whom we adore today in the hiddenness of His divinity, and whom we will see return cuм gloria to judge the living and the dead.

    The Incarnation of the Eternal Word of the Father does not give us a peace according to the world, nor a merely human hope. The Birth of Our Lord gives us true peace of heart: peace with God that comes from living in His Holy Grace, and the unwavering hope that He assists us with the Holy Spirit so that we may attain that eternal blessedness that will crown our earthly struggle.

    Along with the Divine Comforter, the Lord gives us His own Mother, making us Her children and placing us under the protection of the One who crushed the head of the ancient Serpent. The Son of God appeared precisely to destroy the works of the devil (1 Jn 3:8): He is the royal offspring of the Woman crowned with stars, whom our Fathers awaited. He is the promised Messiah whom we have recognized in Jesus Christ, and to the holiest, purest, and humblest of creatures He has been pleased to entrust the task of casting Satan into the abyss, after the Archangel Saint Michael will have overthrown and killed the Antichrist. While awaiting this defeat of Evil and the definitive triumph of Good, let us not cease to invoke Her as our Queen, the Regina Crucis, our Mother, our Hope. To Her Providence has entrusted the treasures of all graces: may She shorten these days of tribulation and show us, after this exile, the Child King whose birth we celebrate today. And so may it be.


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    Re: Abp. Vigano
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  • I believe The world needs more ARCHBISHOPS  like Vigano, no?

    https://exsurgedomine.it/240329-tenebrae-eng/

    "...Oh, if only we could conceive of the horror the Lord experienced in making Himself an innocent Victim in place of us – we who are guilty of all the most horrifying sins of which man is capable! If we could only imagine the torment of the Virgin Mother when she saw her divine Son burdened with those repugnant sins, especially the sins against purity, so horrifying for the virginal soul of Mary Most Holy and even more so for the Incarnate Word!..."
    The measure of love is to love without measure.
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