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Offline Neil Obstat

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5 more beheadings in Saudi Arabia................
« on: August 24, 2015, 04:41:11 AM »
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  • http://www.rt.com/news/256757-saudi-arabia-beheadings-rights/




    Beheading of 5 foreigners in Saudi Arabia
    triggers outcry from human rights campaigners


     Human rights groups have condemned Saudi Arabia after the beheading of five foreigners this week. Experts warn 2015 will mark a dramatic increase in public executions, as 80 people have already been killed, compared to 88 in the whole of 2014.

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    Despite mounting international criticism from foreign governments and human rights campaigners, Saudi Arabia has shown no willingness to end public executions. On Monday, a group of five men, sentenced to death for murder and theft, were publicly beheaded.

    The killings come about a month after Amnesty International decried what it labeled as a “macabre spike” in state-sponsored executions.

    Adam Coogle, a Middle East analyst for Human Rights Watch, said: “From January to the end of July 2014 there were 15 executions, but they finished 2014 with 88, which shows clearly that the spike began last year and has continued," Coogle told the Independent.

    Peggy Hicks, Global Advocacy Director at Human Rights Watch, called the jump in beheadings “shocking.”

    Amnesty International said the wave of state-sponsored killings proves that the change of leadership in the kingdom does not mean a change in how it views capital punishment, which is carried out for a series of offenses, including blasphemy, treason, murder and drug trafficking.

    Indeed, since King Salman bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud ascended to the throne in Saudi Arabia earlier this year, the outlook for human rights remains grim, said Amnesty International.

    READ MORE: Saudi Arabia execution rate 'truly unprecedented' - Amnesty Intl

    “Any hopes that the arrival of King Salman bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud might herald an improvement in human rights in Saudi Arabia have been crushed,” said Philip Luther, Amnesty International’s Director of Middle East and North Africa programs.

    Luther said the new king is overseeing an “ongoing crackdown on government critics and peaceful activists, who continue to be intimidated, arbitrarily detained and treated as criminals.”

    “The first months of his reign have also been marked by an unprecedented wave of executions in a clear signal that the use of the death penalty is thriving in the Kingdom.”

    Coogle, however, was hesitant to blame the jump in executions to King Salman’s accession in Saudi Arabia.

    “Personally, I would hesitate to relate the spike to the change of leadership,” he said. “He certainly hasn’t done anything to stop it but the high rate really began last August. It could be an issue with a backlog of prisoners or it could just be that they are sentencing more people to death.”

    Excluding China, where statistics are not released, at least state 607 executions were known to have been performed globally in 2014, Amnesty International said in a report released in March, compared to 778 in 2013, a decrease of more than 20 percent.

    The report showed a dramatic jump in the number of death sentences handed down in 2014 compared to the previous year – at least 2,466 compared to 1,925 – an increase of more than 25 percent. The watchdog said the change was mostly due to the situation in Nigeria and Egypt, where hundreds of people were condemned to death.



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    5 more beheadings in Saudi Arabia................
    « Reply #1 on: August 24, 2015, 06:22:36 AM »
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  • I'm not sure I see the point in posting this story.  The article specifically indicates that these executions were for actual crimes rather then the pseudo-crimes of conversion to Christianity.

    Is the problem that the executions are public?  Is that the new benchmark for an enlightened society?  Or is it that they are executing people at all?

    In a world of something like 9 billion people, the idea that 607 executions for crimes doesn't seem like a problem.  If States took their duty to govern seriously, I would think the numbers would be much higher.


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    5 more beheadings in Saudi Arabia................
    « Reply #2 on: August 24, 2015, 06:54:51 AM »
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  • Anything that makes human rights activists squirm. I hate the blasphemous ideology of human rights, and those who pratice it deserve whatever they get in any country against them.
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    5 more beheadings in Saudi Arabia................
    « Reply #3 on: August 24, 2015, 10:55:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    I'm not sure I see the point in posting this story.  


    So, if it isn't what we might expect to see in our own country, we ought to pretend it doesn't happen, and just stick our head in the sand ignoring it?

    Can you fathom this taking place anywhere in America?  

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    The article specifically indicates that these executions were for actual crimes rather then the pseudo-crimes of conversion to Christianity.


    The point is, this manner of execution is NORMAL BUSINESS in Mohammedanland.
    This is a fact of CURRENT EVENTS, not speculation or liberal mumbo-jumbo.  The liberals HATE it when it happens, for they hate capital punishment REGARDLESS of the means.  This is exactly what they think "cruel and unusual punishment" MEANS.  Well, here we are seeing something that is objectively NORMAL, not "unusual," for starters.

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    Is the problem that the executions are public?  


    I'm sorry, I must have missed something.  Did you see me say there is "a problem" here?  In fact, did you see me make any comment, value judgment or inference whatsoever?

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    Is that the new benchmark for an enlightened society?  Or is it that they are executing people at all?


    Is what that they are executing people at all?

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    In a world of something like 9 billion people, the idea that 607 executions for crimes doesn't seem like a problem.  If States took their duty to govern seriously, I would think the numbers would be much higher.


    At the risk of repeating myself, I'm going to repeat myself:  what "problem" are you referring to?

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    5 more beheadings in Saudi Arabia................
    « Reply #4 on: August 25, 2015, 06:24:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: TKGS
    I'm not sure I see the point in posting this story.  


    So, if it isn't what we might expect to see in our own country, we ought to pretend it doesn't happen, and just stick our head in the sand ignoring it?

    Can you fathom this taking place anywhere in America?  


    Apparently, you don't understand what I am asking.  Above you seem to indicate that there is a problem with the executions, and when I ask about it you ask if we should "stick our head in the sand" as if we would be ignoring some terrible travesty but you don't tell us what the "it" is that we shouldn't ignore.  And yet, later in your reply, you say:

    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    At the risk of repeating myself, I'm going to repeat myself:  what "problem" are you referring to?


    I am referring to the "problem" that you apparently see in a sovereign civil government executing people for capital crimes.  I'm asking you what the "problem" is that you are telling us that we shouldn't ignore.  So I will repeat myself and hopefully get you to understand the question:  I am asking you what the problem is.

    By the way, public executions were conducted in the United States until the 20th Century.  The last public execution was by hanging in 1936.  Please tell us what it is exactly that you "can't fathom taking place in America".


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    5 more beheadings in Saudi Arabia................
    « Reply #5 on: August 25, 2015, 01:00:05 PM »
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  • I have nothing against the death penalty for serious crimes. And I see nothing wrong with a public execution either. I believe these types of punishments took place under Catholic governments in the past. As long as the criminals are allowed to see a priest before they are executed so they can save their souls I support capital punishment. If in the case of Saudi Arabia the criminals are not allowed to see a Catholic Priest because it is an officially Muslim country, then I oppose these executions for that reason.
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    « Reply #6 on: August 28, 2015, 02:45:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS

    Apparently, you don't understand what I am asking.  

    Funny:  I was thinking the same thing about YOU.

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    Above you seem to indicate that there is a problem with the executions,


    For the third time (at the risk of repeating myself AGAIN), please quote the place where you have found that I 'SEEM to indicate' that there is a problem with the executions.

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    and when I ask about it you ask if we should "stick our head in the sand" as if we would be ignoring some terrible travesty


    And now I said "terrible travesty" somewhere?  

    Where would that be?  

    Did you take lessons in journalism school on how to corrupt source material?  You sound like the MSM trying their best to cover The Donald, and getting their facts all mixed up, leaving out words and inserting others in their place and calling it a quote.

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    but you don't tell us what the "it" is that we shouldn't ignore.  And yet, later in your reply, you say:

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    At the risk of repeating myself, I'm going to repeat myself:  what "problem" are you referring to?


    I am referring to the "problem" that you apparently see in a sovereign civil government executing people for capital crimes.


    And PRAY TELL, where is it that you have discovered this apparition of my perception?

    BTW, it was YOU who first invoked the word "problem" in this thread.  (Quote:  "Is the problem that the executions are public?")

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    I'm asking you what the "problem" is that you are telling us that we shouldn't ignore.  So I will repeat myself and hopefully get you to understand the question:  I am asking you what the problem is.

    By the way, public executions were conducted in the United States until the 20th Century.  The last public execution was by hanging in 1936.  Please tell us what it is exactly that you "can't fathom taking place in America".


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    « Reply #7 on: August 28, 2015, 03:06:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS, in his [url=http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=37780&min=0#p1
    first post[/url] in this thread]I'm not sure I see the point in posting this story.  The article specifically indicates that these executions were for

    actual crimes rather then the pseudo-crimes          

    of conversion to Christianity.


    One more thing:

    Try to learn proper grammar when your words will be read by the general public.  Otherwise, you're contributing to the corruption of the English language in popular use.  The word is "than" not "then":



    "...actual crimes rather than the pseudo-crimes..."          



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    Is the problem that the executions are public?  Is that the new benchmark for an enlightened society?  Or is it that they are executing people at all?

    In a world of something like 9 billion people, the idea that 607 executions for crimes doesn't seem like a problem.  If States took their duty to govern seriously, I would think the numbers would be much higher.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 28, 2015, 07:03:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    For the third time (at the risk of repeating myself AGAIN), please quote the place where you have found that I 'SEEM to indicate' that there is a problem with the executions..


    OK.  I thought this was clear, but you apparently had your eyes closed when you read my comments.  Here's where you seem to indicate that there is a problem:

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    So, if it isn't what we might expect to see in our own country, we ought to pretend it doesn't happen, and just stick our head in the sand ignoring it?

    Can you fathom this taking place anywhere in America?


    If you aren't saying that this is a problem, what did you mean?  If there is no problem, what was the purpose of this post?  This is what I am asking.

    I think my "grammar" is correct here.  Yes, I saw my mistype.  Sometimes my fingers go a little fast and I err on the keyboard and can't fix it before the ink dries.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 28, 2015, 08:22:44 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    For the third time (at the risk of repeating myself AGAIN), please quote the place where you have found that I 'SEEM to indicate' that there is a problem with the executions..


    OK.  I thought this was clear, but you apparently had your eyes closed when you read my comments.  Here's where you seem to indicate that there is a problem:

    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    So, if it isn't what we might expect to see in our own country, we ought to pretend it doesn't happen, and just stick our head in the sand ignoring it?

    Can you fathom this taking place anywhere in America?


    If you aren't saying that this is a problem, what did you mean?  If there is no problem, what was the purpose of this post?  This is what I am asking.

    I think my "grammar" is correct here.  Yes, I saw my mistype.  Sometimes my fingers go a little fast and I err on the keyboard and can't fix it before the ink dries.


    I think he is just back tracking from posting a pointless article and he doesn't want to infer any liberalness....otherwise why was the article posted in the first place.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 28, 2015, 02:27:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: tdrev123
    I think he is just back tracking from posting a pointless article and he doesn't want to infer any liberalness....otherwise why was the article posted in the first place.


    So you are using "infer" when you should have used "imply?"

    It's a bit challenging to have any discussion with people who use grammatically incorrect words and then attempt to claim they were just in a hurry.

    I made precisely no comment before being accused of making comment.

    I made no inference or value judgment before two readers thought I "seemed" to do so.

    The article stands on its own, and I did not write it.

    The fact is, Sharia law is persistently growing in parts of the world OUTSIDE of Saudi Arabia, and two such places are Dearborn, Michigan and London, England.  There are not public executions by beheading YET in those places, but if the trend continues as it has ("creeping Sharia"), what would stop it from happening?   And what would the MSM/Liberal/Communist/Zionist media have to say about it when it does?

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    « Reply #11 on: August 28, 2015, 02:38:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    For the third time (at the risk of repeating myself AGAIN), please quote the place where you have found that I 'SEEM to indicate' that there is a problem with the executions..


    OK.  I thought this was clear, but you apparently had your eyes closed when you read my comments.  Here's where you seem to indicate that there is a problem:

    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    So, if it isn't what we might expect to see in our own country, we ought to pretend it doesn't happen, and just stick our head in the sand ignoring it?

    Can you fathom this taking place anywhere in America?


    I wrote that LATER.  

    Your first post accused me of saying there is "a problem" when I had not written anything yet.  

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    If you aren't saying that this is a problem, what did you mean?  


    What did I mean when I had written nothing yet?  Explain yourself.

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    If there is no problem, what was the purpose of this post?  This is what I am asking.


    I thought the article was noteworthy, so I posted it.  It's the sort of thing that doesn't make MSM news because it exemplifies something the Liberals abhor and they don't want anyone thinking about it.  Kind of like TKGS, actually.

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    I think my "grammar" is correct here.


    Well, you can be wrong even when you don't think you are.  
    That's what Modernism does to the mind.

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    Yes, I saw my mistype.  


    Whether "mistype" or anything else, it is objectively bad grammar, and a very common error among the uneducated lower class, which you might not want to be associated with if you could avoid it, no?

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    Sometimes my fingers go a little fast and I err on the keyboard and can't fix it before the ink dries.


    A very common problem around here!  HAHAHA


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