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22 Veterans Commit ѕυιcιdє Every Day!
« on: April 03, 2014, 07:21:37 PM »
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  • http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/how-can-government-battle-ѕυιcιdє-epidemic-among-veterans-20140403

    The Fort Hood shooting is an extreme and shocking example of what has become a chronic concern for the military: soldiers with mental-health problems taking their own lives.

    And it's not just the active-duty military who face what has become an increasingly daunting problem.

    At least 22 veterans commit ѕυιcιdє each day, according to the Veterans Affairs Department. This adds up to more than 2,000 veterans killing themselves so far this year alone, and the military community is facing what advocates refer to as a ѕυιcιdє epidemic.

    To help address the growing problem, Democratic Sen. John Walsh of Montana introduced legislation last week that includes provisions to force the Pentagon to reexamine troops who were discharged for PTSD-related behaviors—which can include nightmares, flashbacks, changes in personality, sleeping disorders, and suicidal thoughts.

    The bill also expands veterans' eligibility to enroll in VA health care from five to 15 years after leaving the military. The current system doesn't take into account the fact that some veterans have a delayed reaction to trauma after they leave the service, according to veterans' advocates.

    Walsh, who is one of the first Iraq War combat veterans to serve in the Senate, is also a member of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, which backs the bill. Fifty-one percent of Iraq or Afghanistan War veterans know someone who has attempted or committed ѕυιcιdє, according to a Washington Post/Kaiser Family Foundation survey released this week.

    "Red tape and government dysfunction have blocked access to the care that saves lives," Walsh said in a statement.

    But a key hurdle remains for Walsh's legislation: how to pay for it.

    A cost estimate has yet to be released from the Congressional Budget Office, but when asked about how Walsh planned to pay for the legislation, his spokesman said that Walsh has described the bill as part of "the cost of war."

    But this approach is similar to the "paid in full" slogan Senate Democrats attached to a failed proposal earlier this year from Sen. Mark Pryor to reverse roughly $6 billion in cuts to veterans' pensions. And in Congress's fiscally conscious atmosphere, Republicans demanded that funding be offset by something.

    Walsh is, however, open to adding a pay-for to his legislation.

    A stalled omnibus veterans bill by Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont also has mental-health provisions, including extending combat eligibility and focusing on education and training for mental health professionals.

    But senators blocked Sanders's legislation in February, with Senate and House Republicans alike criticizing the use of war funding to pay for the veterans bill.

    Walsh's legislation is the first part of a three-step, yearlong outreach program begun last week by IAVA to raise awareness about the ѕυιcιdє crisis.

    IAVA President Paul Rieckhoff hopes President Obama will issue an executive order before Memorial Day mandating that the Pentagon and the Veterans Affairs Department integrate electronic health records. He also hopes the president will create a standardized method for tracking ѕυιcιdєs and ѕυιcιdє attempts among veterans and military family members.

    National tracking of veterans ѕυιcιdє rates is unreliable at best. Even the VA—whose 22-per-day estimate has become the go-to standard—had to build its nationwide statistic with information available from only 21 states.

    The veterans advocacy group will also spend the year reaching out to communities across the country to help raise awareness.

    VA Secretary Eric Shinseki told members of the Senate that the department is broadening how it tries to reach veterans, such as by expanding "telemental health capabilities," including a 24/7 crisis line—which the VA says has saved more than 35,000 lives. The crisis line is also available via text message. VA staffers respond to veterans who text on a range of issues including chronic pain, anger, and depression.

    "It's getting the veterans who reach out where they are, in whatever medium is comfortable to them," said Caitlin Thompson, the VA's deputy director of ѕυιcιdє prevention.

    The Department of Veterans Affairs requested a slight increase in its mental-health funding in the 2015 budget request—up to $7 billion from $6.9 billion in fiscal 2014. The VA expanded its mental-health funding by 64 percent between 2009 and 2014. It's also increased its mental-health force by 2,400 people since 2012.

    Thompson added that the VA has found that veterans who aren't in VA care are more likely to commit ѕυιcιdє than those who aren't. Of the 22 veterans who commit ѕυιcιdє a day, the VA estimates that only one in five of them are in VA health care.

    Zach McIlwain, who served two combat tours with the Army in Iraq, is a part of that outreach. McIlwain, like many veterans, returned to the United States suffering from posttraumatic stress disorder.

    "Basically I found myself where I was slowly sinking in quicksand," McIlwain said, crediting his wife with urging him to get the help that saved him.

    McIlwain also pointed out that communities can do much more to help veterans adapt to civilian life.

    "It's not just Congress, it's not just the president—it's back in the local communities, welcoming these service member back home."

    Attempting ѕυιcιdє is currently considered a crime under the military's rules, and something IAVA is hoping to get changed.

    "A big piece of this is removing stigma ," McIlwain said. "There's concerns about, 'Is this going to affect my employment; is this going to affect my security clearance when I'm in the military?' "
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    « Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 07:27:55 PM »
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  • Wow. That is a huge number of ѕυιcιdєs. :pray:
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    « Reply #2 on: April 04, 2014, 12:13:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    Wow. That is a huge number of ѕυιcιdєs. :pray:


    Yes, it certainly is a huge number.  
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    « Reply #3 on: April 04, 2014, 04:40:12 AM »
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  • Have these maladies (Shell Shock) always been a part of war? Is there anything to suggest that veterans of war suffered from the same tendency towards melancholy and ѕυιcιdє in earlier centuries?
    I'm wondering whether it is due to war itself or something peculiar to modern warfare.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 04, 2014, 07:30:40 AM »
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  • Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which used to be called, shell-shock, has always been problem amongst men returning from war.

    What is different today is that the men returning from war have little or no Christian faith and are being pumped up on drugs.  The drugs they are being prescribed are intended to affect the chemical make up of the brain and they appear to be doing the job.

    When I was growing up in the mid-1960s, my father, who was a navy medic who was aboard ship during WWII and attached to a Marine combat unit in Korea seldom watched any "war movie".  The scenes from 1950s and 1960s war movies stirred in him memories that bothered him greatly.  His Catholic faith kept him grounded and he wasn't given drugs by the Veterans Administration to soothe his nightmares.

    I don't believe it is "modern warfare" that is the problem here.  I believe it is the drugs and the fact that men returning from war truly see humans as just the product of evolutionary forces--i.e., we're just animals--that brings about the hopelessness and despair that these men are facing.  


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    « Reply #5 on: April 04, 2014, 12:11:28 PM »
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  • How are they tabulating these numbers?  

    How many of the ѕυιcιdєs are elderly vets dying of cancer (or something else) who decide to kill themselves?  That's how Admiral Nimitz did it.  He was a healthy 86 yr old man who didn't want to live without his wife and they had even made a pact among themselves to commit ѕυιcιdє if they ever became "useless".

    How many of these ѕυιcιdєs are soldiers who were injured and then turned to the Veteran's Administration which only gave them drugs?  

    TKGS is right in that the accepted general consensus of the public at large is that we are highly evolved animals and there is no real value to just "hanging on".  This is evident in the way every single issue is discussed.  A person who sees himself as a creature without an immortal soul will see life as just a pleasant occurence and that pleasant occurence is a nightmare if there is constant pain.

    People in the military have been getting lectures on ѕυιcιdє for decades now.  Perhaps this is subliminal messaging.

    Then again, these numbers could be overhyped and inflated for political gain.  There was in the past something known as the "Super Bowl Sunday" hoax where women's groups were saying that emergency rooms are crowded to the hilt on Super Bowl Sunday because the game is getting the guys all worked up and they are, in turn, pounding their wives.  The mainstream media ran with this, and a novus ordo presider mentioned in after "worship service" on a Super Bowl Sunday.  It was proven to be a hoax and the fake numbers were put out by some unknown women's group and the media liked it so much they didn't bother to check for veracity.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 04, 2014, 12:15:50 PM »
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  • Close to 31000 people commited ѕυιcιdє in 2001 according to stats I just looked up.

    31000 divided by 365 = 85.

    Okay, 85 people everyday commit ѕυιcιdє and 22 of them are veterans.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 04, 2014, 01:34:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    People in the military have been getting lectures on ѕυιcιdє for decades now.  Perhaps this is subliminal messaging.


    I was the "ѕυιcιdє Prevention NCO" in one unit during my time in the U.S. Army.  The totality of my duties can pretty much be summed up as to placing a few posters in the barracks and in the duty areas that had the post hospital's psychiatric hotline number and told soldiers to watch for signs of depression, etc.

    During that period, my unit had zero ѕυιcιdєs.  I tried to get my rater to add a bullet to my efficiency report that there were no ѕυιcιdєs under my leadership as the Battalion's ѕυιcιdє Prevention NCO, but he just laughed it off (I don't think he thought I was serious).


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    « Reply #8 on: April 04, 2014, 01:35:50 PM »
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    Close to 31000 people commited ѕυιcιdє in 2001 according to stats I just looked up.

    31000 divided by 365 = 85.

    Okay, 85 people everyday commit ѕυιcιdє and 22 of them are veterans.


    Interesting.  The 22 per day figure is beginning to look made up.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 04, 2014, 02:22:27 PM »
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  • From the article:  

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    At least 22 veterans commit ѕυιcιdє each day, according to the Veterans Affairs Department. This adds up to more than 2,000 veterans killing themselves so far this year alone, and the military community is facing what advocates refer to as a ѕυιcιdє epidemic.


    The number of 22 per day is not made up, it's an average.
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    « Reply #10 on: April 04, 2014, 04:57:18 PM »
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  • 2,000 vets per year commit ѕυιcιdє?  

    What are the breakdowns?

    How many active duty military personnel commit ѕυιcιdє every year?

    Vets include guys who served 180 days in the military to guys who served for 30 years and retired and then lived on as retirees for another 30 years.  

    So, what are the facts here?  

    Since we have a democatic president, the press has to pedal the pro-government view by portraying the military as a bunch of sad sacks who always need government aid to guys who just can't get a job and now they are portrayed as pathetics who just can't keep the barrel away from the temple...  The mainstream media will run with any data that serves their purpose.  

    So, what are the facts here?  


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    « Reply #11 on: April 04, 2014, 07:55:12 PM »
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  • They also want to put as many veterans on psych drugs drugs as possible so they can take away their right to own firearms.


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    « Reply #12 on: April 05, 2014, 04:29:50 PM »
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  • ѕυιcιdє carries no shame anymore. It seems instead to be almost heroic.
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  • I just looked up a 2006 statistic:

    Veterans make up 10% of the population.

    Veterans make up 25% of the homeless population.

    So, are they killing themselves because they were veterans or because they are homeless ?

    At any rate, tell your kids to stay far away from the military.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 05, 2014, 06:35:37 PM »
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    ѕυιcιdє carries no shame anymore. It seems instead to be almost heroic.


    I've noticed that too. It is sad and pathetic. In my philosophy class at a Catholic University the only two people to oppose ѕυιcιdє/euthanasia were myself and the professor, and my classmates thought we were being mean for not having sympathy for those in pain.
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