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« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2007, 07:19:26 PM »
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    I do think that most Traditionalists who would not find it hopelessly shattering to become just Catholics and forget the specific "Traditionalist" connection, would benefit by an open-minded perusal of my "rantings." (And that is a fair way to characterize some of them.)


    I agree that such is possible.
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    « Reply #31 on: August 18, 2007, 07:23:36 PM »
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  • I simply don't believe Catholics when they piously moan and groan about the blasphemies in the тαℓмυd. I think that it's all an act. They resent the Jєωs as an extension of Jesus: They get some kind of kinky pleasure out of exhuming filth about Him and spreading it around with no point but fomenting hatred of The Jєωs as something to do while they are not doing anything He told them to do.

    Back in the days when I sinned by being too complacent with the Anti-Judaics I would try to change the subject away from the ancient (and pitifully childish) blasphemies in the тαℓмυd and turn it to REAL (if much more mildly expressed) enormities against the Christ in the works of certain modern Jєωιѕн authors. Such as the claim that Christians will never understand how offensive it is to pious Jєωs that a Messiah Who did not end human suffering be posited. THAT should cause indignation.

    But you have to be cultured to know about those sorts of claims by some Jєωιѕн people. These h0Ɩ0cαųst deniers are anything but cultured. So they would look at me as though I had two heads when I brought up things like that. Things we SHOULD be aware of because they pertain to our own day. They would so look, then go back to drooling with obvious delight over unspeakable things said about Jesus and Mary in the тαℓмυd.



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    « Reply #32 on: August 18, 2007, 07:30:51 PM »
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  • I think Mr. Steele's article is a good one, albeit not perfect.  I see you disagree.  Fair enough, Cletus.  Cheers.
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    « Reply #33 on: August 18, 2007, 07:42:36 PM »
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  • One thing I think I should straighten up here, and that is the "cleanliness" of Cathinfo.  There has been plenty of "potty talk" on this forum in the past.  I am forever amazed at how people will not stand up and set the record straight.  

    Another thing, it is not just the leaders of the "Jєωs" who do anti social things to the goyim.  Quite frequently we hear of Christians being stoned in Israel these days.  One poor woman had her face smashed in because she was escorting a muslim child through a bunch of Israeli thugs.  We are in this ungodly war for the sake of our "Israeli friends", esp since the Israeli influence in our gov't is stronger than all the other influences together.  Millions, perhaps billions, of dollars and war equipment is given to Israel, along with so many, many of our boys and girls to fight their war for them.  Maybe the Muslims did say they were going to push Israel into the sea, or some such, but guess what?  It is the Israelis who are the ones that are actually doing it.  And last, but not least, these heirs of Abraham were mostly not ever, ever related to Abraham.  In fact, these zionists have done a lot to exterminate the real heirs of Abraham, the Seraphim, I believe they are called.  They also funded Hitler and refused to rescue the Jєωs in Germany, because as they said, they had to sacrifice some to gain that land they call Israel.  If you would like to see what the Jєωs think of the zionists, google Jєωs Against Zionism.
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    « Reply #34 on: August 18, 2007, 08:39:36 PM »
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  • The "potty talk" must have been confined to those anti-Zionist and 9/11 threads I always avoided like the plague. In any case, we should all agree that "no profanity" means "no vulgar and dirty talk." Why make cathinfo what it isn't? Why try to make it just another sty of Traditionalist hypocrisy?


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    « Reply #35 on: August 18, 2007, 10:49:05 PM »
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  • Primarily, Cletus, it is what it is and was from the start.  One can close their eyes or look the other way and declare that such a thing is what their eyes encounter, because they have done a little cut and paste.  It's not true, though.  It is what it is in its entirety, and anything else is the emperor's new clothes.  

    there are writings of the popes and saints which go way back and follow through to today warning people to "Beware the Jєωs".  this held true until vatican II and new church turned Catholic teaching on its head and started apologizing to and reorganizing Church teaching to suit the Jєωs.  You are such a literate and intelligent man, I am shocked to hear these Novus Ordo leanings in you.  But perhaps there is good reason for it, since you have closed your eyes and mind to the whole subject rather than do a thorough search of the truly treacherous and persistent efforts of the Jєωs to destroy all things Christian.  I will try to post some things, which you can refute and perhaps we will discover that one of us is wrong.
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    « Reply #36 on: August 18, 2007, 11:44:10 PM »
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  • Saints and popes said a lot about a lot of things. St Clement Mary Hofbauer said that Germany went Protestant for good reasons. (In a moment of exasperation with fellow Catholics, I suspect.)

    Harsh statements from saints and popes about avoiding the wicked Jєωs are just skeletons in the Church's closet. We need not pay any attention to them at all. We need not place these old bones in new reliquaries: we would do best not even to dust them off and bring them out into the light of day.

    A new and holy spirit of enlightened humanism precluded talk of the wicked Jєωs and the threat posed by their existence to Christendom in the reign of Pope Pius XII. We all need to get in contact with that spirit.

    The only people whom I have seen work to destroy all things Christian are Christians.

    I don't share common "Novus Ordo" opinions about "our elder brothers in faith." I abominate them. I think that the new prayer for the Jєωs in the Eastertime liturgy is a disgrace. God should not be winked and nodded at. Christ should not be treated as a troublesome relative who has to be politely gotten out of the way when certain guests arrive. The old prayer was just fine. It was so Scriptural. So Pauline. It was fine even with the dread Latin word that is translated as "perfidious."

    Catholics changed the liturgy into mockery of God. Catholics. Not Jєωs.

    It is not the fault of The Jєωs that enlightened Catholic humanism degenerated into unenlightened Catholic apostasy.


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    « Reply #37 on: August 19, 2007, 07:56:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cletus
    Harsh statements from saints and popes about avoiding the wicked Jєωs are just skeletons in the Church's closet. We need not pay any attention to them at all. We need not place these old bones in new reliquaries: we would do best not even to dust them off and bring them out into the light of day.


    Quite a statement.

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    A new and holy spirit of enlightened humanism precluded talk of the wicked Jєωs and the threat posed by their existence to Christendom in the reign of Pope Pius XII. We all need to get in contact with that spirit.


    Essentially, we 'woke up' in the 50s, in this respect?  Not buying that.

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    The only people whom I have seen work to destroy all things Christian are Christians.


    Well, you must not have been looking very closely.

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    Catholics changed the liturgy into mockery of God. Catholics. Not Jєωs.


    Who changed the Divine Office translation (which served as a primer for all other changes)?  

    Bea, a falsely-converted Jєω (who was also the confessor of Pius XII).

    Who headed the liturgical changes?  Bugnini, a good friend of Jєωs (and a member of a secret society that is a mere instrument of Jєωs).

    Who introduced the NOM?  Montini, a communist and a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, with (not very distant) Jєωιѕн ancestry.

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    It is not the fault of The Jєωs that enlightened Catholic humanism degenerated into unenlightened Catholic apostasy.


    Perhaps the "enlightened Catholic humanism" was the primer that they planted?  Looking at what followed immediately on the heels of the 50s, this is a reasonable thing to suppose.
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    « Reply #38 on: August 19, 2007, 09:12:18 AM »
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  • Cletus, you really, really should put a disclaimer on your posts regarding this subject.   Something like:  I have studiously avoided learning any thing about this subject, and make my adamant declarations concerning it based on my prefered opinion only.  

    To be in error is bad, to teach error is total responsability for those souls, as well.  Always best to have done your homework as much as possible, not as little as possible.  To consider yourself smarter than popes and saints....

    You seem to have thought too much and become a raving cynic.
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    « Reply #39 on: August 20, 2007, 01:04:23 PM »
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  • Now let's talk about needing to pay attention to what saints and popes have said about avoiding warlocks.

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    « Reply #40 on: August 20, 2007, 01:33:56 PM »
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    Cletus, you really, really should put a disclaimer on your posts regarding this subject.   Something like:  I have studiously avoided learning any thing about this subject, and make my adamant declarations concerning it based on my prefered opinion only.  

    To be in error is bad, to teach error is total responsability for those souls, as well.  Always best to have done your homework as much as possible, not as little as possible.  To consider yourself smarter than popes and saints....

    You seem to have thought too much and become a raving cynic.


    I think that if you reread this thread and thought this through honestly you would see that your reproach applies to Michael Hoffman II and likeminded posters here.

    We need to avoid justifying bad language. We need to avoid justifying Using The Jєωs to let off persecuted minority steam (our own, as would-be faithful Catholics). The justifications for the offenses are far more serious than the offenses themselves.

    Remember. There is no "tu quoque" fallacy here. I am not saying, "Maybe I, but what about him too?" I am saying, "Not I at all, and he totally."

    So now I ask it. Are we all supposed to think that Michael Hoffman II and his brothers-in-arms here abide strictly by Pure Reason and the Spirit of Truth? No agenda? No special pleading? No lawyer's tricks? No courtroom histrionics? No tendentious marshalling of half-truths? No stacked decks? No strategic omissions of facts favorable to The Jєωs?

    Yes, I have thought a lot about these things. I don't see how it can be well said that someone has "thought too much." It is the very notion of "thinking" that is offensive to nαzιs and totalitarian bullies. They are irrationalists who violate the Life of the Mind as well as that of the Body. They stomp on such things as the laws of human testimony.

    I think that ALL of us here know better than ALL the saints and popes of the past on some issues. We are all modern people who have been enlightened in many important ways. It's just that in the interests of Using The Jєωs some of us sin against the modern light that is in all of us, which God has blessed us with.

    St Luke says of the Pharisees, "They brought to nought God's will concerning themselves." It's an odd statement coming from him, being far from that Evangelist's usual style and content. God put us in the twentieth and the twenty-first centuries. It is a sin to want to be somewhere else and to work out one's resentment of His Holy Will in our regard by turning our Catholicism into a free-wheeling game of Crusader and Inquisitor dress-up. Let's leave the moldy stuff about warlocks and The Deicide Race in the attic.

    Dungeons and Dragons is bad enough. Pogroms and Pyxes is intolerable.


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    « Reply #41 on: August 22, 2007, 10:48:06 AM »
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  • Sorry, Cletus, but I don't see the Crusader in this.  I see the warning.  In this country they have turned our own  laws against us, and if we don't wake up and return the laws much closer to sanity, the day will come when they will impliment things like the Noahide Laws.  They have already made great in roads against Christmas (now winter break) and forbidding store clerks to give Christmas greetings.  Easter is now spring break, the ten commandments are forbidden on public property, ditto the nativity.  I guess I do have a crusade in my dreams and that would be for every yard to sport the ten commandments and, in season, the nativity.  They forbid proseletyzing (sp) Jєωs and they are in our schools actually teaching judaism and noahidism to our captive children.  As for the constant and huge drain on our tax dollars, there's at least a book on that.  They are in our gov't working for Israel to our detriment and I say that they, who give their allegiance to Israel, should have no voice in American politics.  They are simply a continuation of the moranos of old.
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    « Reply #42 on: August 22, 2007, 12:08:14 PM »
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  • The Jєωs as a whole are used, by the rabbis/Zionists/International Bankers, to achieve certain goals.  There is a small circle of elites who could really care less about everyone else - Jєω or not.

    These elites gladly sacrifice men, Jєωs and non-Jєωs, and they are, in fact, responsible for the all carnage of WWII, etc.
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    « Reply #43 on: August 22, 2007, 12:34:34 PM »
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    The Jєωs as a whole are used, by the rabbis/Zionists/International Bankers, to achieve certain goals.  There is a small circle of elites who could really care less about everyone else - Jєω or not.

    These elites gladly sacrifice men, Jєωs and non-Jєωs, and they are, in fact, responsible for the all carnage of WWII, etc.


    http://www.judyandreas.com/index.php?page=showmonth&m=05&y=2006
    A chilling tale of Zionist crimes against their brethren is known as "The Ringworm Children."

    In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr. Chaim Sheba flew to America and returned with 7 x-ray machines, supplied to him by the American army.

    They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire generation of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300,000 Israeli liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60,000 liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today.

    To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were given, the many of the rest developed cancers that killed them over time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic headaches and psychosis.

    Yes, that is the subject of the docuмentary in cold terms. It is another matter to see the victims on the screen. ie. To watch the Moroccan lady describe what getting 35,000 times the dose of allowable x-rays in her head feels like.

    "I screamed make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. But it never went away."

    To watch the bearded man walk hunched down the street.

    "I'm in my fifties and everyone thinks I'm in my seventies. I have to stoop when I walk so I won't fall over. They took my youth away with those x-rays."

    To watch the old lady who administered the doses to thousands of children.

    "They brought them in lines. First their heads were shaved and smeared in burning gel.

    Then a ball was put between their legs and the children were ordered not to drop it, so they wouldn't move. The children weren't protected over the rest of their bodies. There were no lead vests for them. I was told I was doing good by helping to remove ringworm. If I knew what dangers the children were facing, I would never have cooperated. Never!"

    Because the whole body was exposed to the rays, the genetic makeup of the children was often altered, affecting the next generation. We watch the woman with the distorted face explain, "All three of my children have the same cancers my family suffered. Are you going to tell me that's a coincidence?"

    Everyone notices that Sephardi women in their fifties today, often have sparse patchy hair, which they try to cover with henna. Most of us assumed it was just a characteristic of Sephardi women. We watch the woman on the screen wearing a baseball-style hat. She places a picture of a lovely young teenager with flowing black hair opposite the lens. "That was me before my treatment. Now look at me." She removes her hat. Even the red henna can't cover the horrifying scarred bald spots.

    The majority of the victims were Moroccan because they were the most numerous of the Sephardi immigrants. The generation that was poisoned became the country's perpetual poor and criminal class. It didn't make sense. The Moroccans who fled to France became prosperous and highly educated. The common explanation was that France got the rich, thus smart ones. The real explanation is that every French Moroccan child didn't have his brain cells fried with gamma rays.

    The film made it perfectly plain that this operation was no accident. The dangers of x-rays had been known for over forty years. We read the official guidelines for x-ray treatment in 1952.
    http://www.rense.com/general67/radd.htm


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    « Reply #44 on: August 22, 2007, 04:43:09 PM »
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  • Compliments of Anty.  Sound familiar?

    http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3042
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