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Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
« on: July 06, 2022, 11:20:29 AM »
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  • The Apocalypse according to Eugenio Corsini – True Restoration

    In the above, the claim the "Woman" in chapter 12 (clothed with sun etc.) is the harlot.  They do not even mention in passing the interpretation that she is the Blessed Virgin Mary or the Church.


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    On the other hand, the same basic symbol (which must be interpreted in the light of the Old Testament) can express different things, when combined with other symbols, while always maintaining its fundamental meaning: thus, the "woman" of Ch. XII will be "harlot" (or unfaithful woman) in Ch. XVIII.

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    Even more explicitly, the symbol of the vial calls to mind the sacrifice of Christ. In this septenary there is no shortage of famous scenes: the Woman and the Dragon in Chap. XII, the Beast of the earth and that of the sea in Chap. XIII, the Harlot of Babylon and her destruction (chapters XII-XIX), the battle of Armageddon, so dear to Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.

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     Thus, the Woman who in chapter XII of the Apocalypse takes refuge in the desert chased by the Dragon is transformed in Chap. XVII into the prostitute who, always in the desert, rests on the beast: "The fact that the woman [Israel] is represented here under the appearance of a prostitute indicates that, evidently, her spiritual attitude has changed" and became an unfaithful wife. She is unfaithful and a murderer. 
    The Douay Rheims online version has as follows:



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    "A woman": The church of God. It may also, by allusion, be applied to our blessed Lady. The church is clothed with the sun, that is, with Christ: she hath the moon, that is, the changeable things of the world, under her feet: and the twelve stars with which she is crowned, are the twelve apostles: she is in labour and pain, whilst she brings forth her children, and Christ in them, in the midst of afflictions and persecutions.
    The same woman talked about throughout the chapter.  See the last two verses:



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    And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. [18] And he stood upon the sand of the sea.
    How is this person the harlot.  Can someone please tell me what I am missing here?
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #1 on: July 06, 2022, 11:57:47 AM »
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  • Protestants don't want to admit that Our Lady/Catholic Church will fight with the Beast.  So they invent ridiculous stories.

    There are many interesting stories on YT about people dying and going to hell, then being given a 2nd chance to amend.  I listened to one protestant minister who left protestantism after his experience and admitted that he would've been damned to hell because he purposefully corrupted Scripture and taught lies to his congregation.

    This type of thing happens more that we think.  The big "mega protestant" churches are run by witches/warlocks.  Many stories of them casting spells on people while new-age "religious" music plays.  They are prepping the protestants (and have been for 60-70 years) for the "new age" of antichrist, peace for Israel and "peace on earth" (i.e. one world govt).


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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #2 on: July 06, 2022, 12:53:47 PM »
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  • Protestants don't want to admit that Our Lady/Catholic Church will fight with the Beast.  So they invent ridiculous stories.

    There are many interesting stories on YT about people dying and going to hell, then being given a 2nd chance to amend.  I listened to one protestant minister who left protestantism after his experience and admitted that he would've been damned to hell because he purposefully corrupted Scripture and taught lies to his congregation.

    This type of thing happens more that we think.  The big "mega protestant" churches are run by witches/warlocks.  Many stories of them casting spells on people while new-age "religious" music plays.  They are prepping the protestants (and have been for 60-70 years) for the "new age" of antichrist, peace for Israel and "peace on earth" (i.e. one world govt).
    Yes.  But this is from True Restoration.  A traditional Catholic website.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #3 on: July 06, 2022, 04:09:34 PM »
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  • And of course the Conciliar Church is none other than the "Whore of Babylon" (the description fits perfectly)

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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #4 on: July 06, 2022, 07:52:03 PM »
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  • The Apocalypse according to Eugenio Corsini – True Restoration

    In the above, the claim the "Woman" in chapter 12 (clothed with sun etc.) is the harlot.  They do not even mention in passing the interpretation that she is the Blessed Virgin Mary or the Church.

    The Douay Rheims online version has as follows:


    The same woman talked about throughout the chapter.  See the last two verses:


    How is this person the harlot.  Can someone please tell me what I am missing here?
    I think you must be misunderstanding the purpose of the writing and where it originates.

    True Restoration is publishing an article written by don Francesco Ricossa and published in Sodalitium, back in 1999. I know Father Ricossa to be a good friend and a traditional Catholic. I went to his Masses in Italy in 2011 and we are still in touch from time to time.

    I haven't read the article, no will I, however he gives a pretty good description of Corsini and I presume is explaining his theories and giving a criticism of them.

    A small excerpt here

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    Eugenio Corsini was born in 1924. He graduated in ancient Christian literature with Mgr. Pellegrino, and he completed his studies in Paris (Sorbonne, École pratique des Hautes Études) and in Rome (Biblical Institute). When I was his pupil, during the 1976-77 academic year, he was a professor of ancient Christian literature at the University of Turin. He concluded his career on the chair of Greek literature at the same university. The reader must not believe that having followed Corsini's lessons, which at the time concerned precisely the Apocalypse, influenced me to the point of following, since then, his exegesis. Simply, as the young 17-year-old student I was at the time, I did not understand anything: I did not have the maturity, nor the predisposition. Prof. Corsini was not (he is not), in fact, a "traditional" Catholic (as opposed to Mgr. Spadafora) but, rather — like his "teacher" Pellegrino — a "progressivist."

    I hope that helps.
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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #5 on: July 06, 2022, 08:39:52 PM »
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  • Looking again, it seems we are walking a fine line, balancing on a high wire. 

    The last paragraph speaks to a question that we hear often here on CI, when folk claim to be traditional Catholics - something I have always refused to call myself. I am Catholic, pure and simple.

    On the one hand, the Apocalypse confirms with great force all the revealed doctrine, and, in particular, the one on the relationship between the Old and New Testaments, between the Church and the ѕуηαgσgυє, between The Great Whore of Babylon, Christianity and Judaism. It avoids the Gnostic and Marcionist obstacle that rejects the Old Testament, and at the same time attacks Judaism head-on, which rejected the Messias. Corsini's exegesis, certainly beyond the author's intentions, therefore confirms our dutiful attitude of firm rejection of the conciliar declaration Nostra Ætate and subsequent docuмents, which aim at the Judaisation of the Church. On the other hand, this exegesis, which highlights the Church as the ultimate and definitive economy of salvation, prevents the stunned Catholic of our times from falling into the temptation of declaring the indefectible Church "dead," and wanting to replace it with anything else. Let us be careful not to identify the Roman Church with the Prostitute, or with the False Prophet, or with the Antichrist (of which, in the Apocalypse, there is no trace); let us be careful not to set a "faithful" Church against an "official" Church; let us beware of imagining a future era in which the hierarchical Church established by Christ will no longer exist or will essentially be changed; let us beware of following a false mysticism which instead of leading to the defense of the faith only brings us back to old heresies. The task of today's Catholic is not to invent a new traditional church, but to love and defend the eternal Catholic Church; it is not to follow strange "revelations," but to remain faithful to the one Revelation (or "Apocalypse") of Jesus Christ, definitively closed on the death of the last Apostle, the Evangelist St. John, the Seer of Patmos.

    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #6 on: July 07, 2022, 06:12:20 AM »
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  • I read the article. First, the author accepts the view of Corsini: "If, as I believe, Corsini's exegesis is correct . . ."

    The "woman" in the Apocalypse is Israel, which has its spiritual children and its "children in the flesh," those following the religion of Judaism but not spiritually reborn. The woman in Apoc 12, who gives birth to her children and is persecuted by the dragon, is the true Israel, the spiritual Israel who gives birth to the elect, the spiritual children of Israel. The "whore" in Apoc 18 is also Israel, but the Jєωs who profess the religion but are not spiritually regenerated: they are merely "children of the flesh" (Romans 9:7-8). Of course, the elect of the OT - the spiritually reborn Jєωs - are members of Israel according to the flesh (i.e., they are Jєωs worshipping in the Temple, etc.) and the spirit.

    Israel is a "type" of the Church, but is also the Church, the true Church in the OT. The Roman Catholic Church is now this Israel; the Temple has been destroyed and Judaism replaced and superseded by her.

    The Whore of Babylon 18 is the superseded Israel with its Temple and "children of the flesh" (who practiced the religion but were not spiritually reborn) which killed Christ and persecuted the elect (the spiritually reborn Jєωs) who followed Christ/Messiah; her destruction in Apoc 18 is the destruction of the Temple and the old Israel, the fleshly shell of the Church in the OT.



    Some excerpts from the article:



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    The death and resurrection of Christ constitute the definitive victory over death, Satan and sin: the kingdom of God is the Church, the immaculate bride of the Lamb, the new Israel, which now and forever works the salvation of the baptised, while the deicidal ѕуηαgσgυє has horribly transformed itself into the whore of Babylon. This, in short, is the theme of the Apocalypse for Corsini.

    . . .



    As we have already repeatedly mentioned, in the destruction of Babylon we believe we see not a prophecy about the material end of Rome, but an allegory of the spiritual end of Judaism: the earthly Jerusalem disappears to give way to the heavenly one. This is the central thesis of the book that St. John takes up and develops through the series of the four great seven-year cycles of letters, seals, trumpets and vials, which all end with a hint of an interruption, an end. The seventh letter should also be read in this sense, a dramatic conclusion that led to the judgement and repudiation of those who continue to call themselves Jєωs but are no longer Jєωs (2, 9; 3, 9).

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    There is therefore a true Judaism, which is embraced by the Apocalypse, and a false one that the Apocalypse radically rejects. “Perhaps no New Testament writing has more forcefully reaffirmed the vital continuity between Judaism and Christianity. In the vision of Patmos (...) Jesus Christ appears to St. John in the centre of seven golden candlesticks (see 1, 13) and shortly afterwards He describes Himself to him as 'He, who ... walketh among the seven golden candlesticks' (see 2, 1). The meaning of the vision is clear: Jesus Christ comes from Judaism. (...) When He denies the Jєωs the right to continue to call themselves with that name, it is understood that this appellation now belongs to Christians, the true heirs of spiritual Judaism, which, according to St. John, had been guarded and advocated by saints and prophets, i.e. from the ancient 'witnesses'. (...) Here, in the new ecclesial community, spiritual Judaism now lives and continues: the seven candlesticks, as Jesus Christ solemnly announces to St. John, have become the seven churches (see 1, 20)." The Church as the "New Israel," a truth of faith that today is rejected as a "theory of substitution" [of the Church for Israel], is therefore the object of the author: "To say that 'the candlesticks are the seven churches' means to say that Judaism, with the coming of Jesus Christ and the fulfilment of his messianic work, has been transformed into the 'seven churches', i.e. into the totality of the Church. This is the culmination of the 'revelation of Jesus Christ,' the fulfilment of the 'mystery,' the meaning of the whole book of the Apocalypse.

    . . .

    In the sixth seal, St. John sees the 144,000 marked (saved) under the ancient law: not all Jєωs were saved, but only those belonging to "spiritual Judaism." Definitive salvation is found only in the New Testament, open to an immense crowd of every people, language and tribe, thanks to the death of Christ. The silence that is made in Heaven at the opening of the seventh seal indicates the cessation of Jєωιѕн worship (the synoptic Gospels express the same concept by narrating the tearing of the veil of the Temple at the death of Christ: Sts. Mt 27, 51; Mk 15, 38; Lk 23, 45) in anticipation of the new cult, at the resurrection of Christ. As for the old cult, it is profaned by the abomination of desolation predicted by Daniel: the death of Christ, in fact, "occurred at the instigation of the Jєωιѕн High Priests, would have definitively profaned the temple, causing the end of the Jєωιѕн cult."

    . . .

    Then the the Two Witnesses appear, who are not Enoch and Elias expected for the end of the world, but Moses and Elias, that is, the Law and the Prophets, who bear witness to Jesus (St. Jn 5, 31; 8, 54) in Sacred Scripture as in the Gospel episode of the Transfiguration. This is the positive role of the Old Testament: the Law, after the coming of Christ, is no longer salvific, but deadly. Taking up the famous vision in which Ezechiel eats the book (i.e. the Old Testament), St. John changes it: the bitterness in the bowels caused by the education of the book "is synonymous with spiritual death." Even the Jєωιѕн cult is now reprobate, after the coming of Christ. The angel who throws fire from the censer on the earth (Apoc. 8, 5) symbolises, with his gesture, "the end of the Jєωιѕн cult that the first Christians linked to the death of Christ," as well as "the expulsion of Satan and his followers from Heaven," which will be described in the first four trumpets. The seventh, however, still refers to the death of Christ, which involves the opening of the Temple, the end of Jєωιѕн worship and angelic mediation.

    . . .

    Judaism, a reality in itself good enough to have the nature of the divine Lamb, became worldly: "It still believes to be Judaism, i.e. witness and heir of the divine promise, but it is no longer so, indeed, it has become the 'ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan '(see 2, 9; 3, 9), 'Sodom and Egypt' (see 11, 8), speaking [that is, acting] ‘as a dragon' (see 13, 11)."

    . . .

    "The city that is destroyed here is no longer the 'holy city': it is a 'harlot', rather, 'the great harlot,' 'Babylon the great, the mother of the fornications, and the abominations of the earth' (17, 1 and 5). Even this, however, should not surprise us too much, as this terrible metamorphosis was also anticipated in chapter XI, when St. John told us that the corpses of the two 'witnesses' killed by 'the beast that ascendeth out of the abyss' lie unburied 'in the streets of the great city, which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord also was crucified.' (11, 8). And therefore, if the destruction to which the passage we are examining alludes to is to be understood in a literal and material sense, it can only refer to what the Romans did in 70 AD: only then, in fact, following the deicide, in the eyes of St. John and the first Christians, in a complete and definitive way, Jerusalem had become the 'prostitute,' the opposite of the 'holy city' it was previously." Therefore, Corsini identifies earthly Jerusalem with the great prostitute: “a conclusion,” he writes, “which will certainly bring astonishment because of its apparently paradoxical character. And, moreover, before us, such a mystery brought astonishment and bewilderment to St. John himself who was the first to contemplate it with eyes illuminated by the Spirit (see 17, 6)."



    . . .

    The earthly Jerusalem thus became 'Babylon,' and the prostitute. The term should not surprise: "As everyone knows, the metaphor of prostitution is drawn by St. John from the Old Testament, especially in the Prophets, where it is synonymous with idolatry and is applied both to cities and pagan peoples, as well as to Jerusalem and the Jєωιѕн people, especially to the latter, given the special bond they had with Yahweh, whereby the infidelity of Israel takes on the connotation of a real adultery (see Is 1, 21; Ez 16, 15 ff; Hos 2, 1 ff; 5, 3 etc.).

    . . .

    Chapter XXI and the beginning of Chapter XXII (the last one) present us this famous heavenly Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb. As far as I know, only Mormons expect to see a city descending from heaven, as the Apocalypse symbolically says. In reality, the woman depicted by the Bride of the Lamb (i.e. the Bride of Christ) is the faithful bride of the Messias, just as the prostitute is the unfaithful bride: the Church, the first, the ѕуηαgσgυє, the other. And the "new Jerusalem" presupposes "the destruction of the previous one (which became Babylon)." "The final part of the Apocalypse therefore symbolically represents the glorious conclusion, the full and perfect implementation of the divine plan of salvation. The new Jerusalem is the symbol of the reconciliation between humanity and God, of the new eternal and definitive covenant, of the new chosen people that God has chosen for Himself no longer from a single nation but from ‘all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues’ (see 7, 9). In this sense it depicts the Church which is, on the one hand, the revival and continuation of ancient Israel (see 1, 20), but welcomes and saves all peoples (see 21, 25 ff; 22, 2)." It is already a "new creation," "new heaven and earth," tree of life. "In the light of the Spirit one can see what the Jєωs, blinded by pride, are unable to see: the heavenly Jerusalem, foretold by the Scriptures, was brought from Heaven to earth by Christ; but they neither recognised nor accepted it, and remained outside it, becoming the 'ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan' (see 2, 9; 3, 9)."

    . . .

    On the one hand, the Apocalypse confirms with great force all the revealed doctrine, and, in particular, the one on the relationship between the Old and New Testaments, between the Church and the ѕуηαgσgυє, between The Great Whore of Babylon, Christianity and Judaism. It avoids the Gnostic and Marcionist obstacle that rejects the Old Testament, and at the same time attacks Judaism head-on, which rejected the Messias.

    Non enim omnes qui ex Israel sunt, ii sunt Israelitae (Roman 9:6)

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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #7 on: July 07, 2022, 11:37:24 AM »
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  • And of course the Conciliar Church is none other than the "Whore of Babylon" (the description fits perfectly)
    That is true. But the woman in 12: 1 I have never heard being described as the harlot but our Lady. Not sure how the two can be reconciled. 
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #8 on: July 07, 2022, 11:40:14 AM »
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  • I think you must be misunderstanding the purpose of the writing and where it originates.

    True Restoration is publishing an article written by don Francesco Ricossa and published in Sodalitium, back in 1999. I know Father Ricossa to be a good friend and a traditional Catholic. I went to his Masses in Italy in 2011 and we are still in touch from time to time.

    I haven't read the article, no will I, however he gives a pretty good description of Corsini and I presume is explaining his theories and giving a criticism of them.

    A small excerpt here

    I hope that helps.
    Thank you. Still not sure how the woman considered by the Church as our Lady can also be the harlot.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #9 on: July 07, 2022, 11:45:50 AM »
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  • Looking again, it seems we are walking a fine line, balancing on a high wire.

    The last paragraph speaks to a question that we hear often here on CI, when folk claim to be traditional Catholics - something I have always refused to call myself. I am Catholic, pure and simple.

    On the one hand, the Apocalypse confirms with great force all the revealed doctrine, and, in particular, the one on the relationship between the Old and New Testaments, between the Church and the ѕуηαgσgυє, between The Great Whore of Babylon, Christianity and Judaism. It avoids the Gnostic and Marcionist obstacle that rejects the Old Testament, and at the same time attacks Judaism head-on, which rejected the Messias. Corsini's exegesis, certainly beyond the author's intentions, therefore confirms our dutiful attitude of firm rejection of the conciliar declaration Nostra Ætate and subsequent docuмents, which aim at the Judaisation of the Church. On the other hand, this exegesis, which highlights the Church as the ultimate and definitive economy of salvation, prevents the stunned Catholic of our times from falling into the temptation of declaring the indefectible Church "dead," and wanting to replace it with anything else. Let us be careful not to identify the Roman Church with the Prostitute, or with the False Prophet, or with the Antichrist (of which, in the Apocalypse, there is no trace); let us be careful not to set a "faithful" Church against an "official" Church; let us beware of imagining a future era in which the hierarchical Church established by Christ will no longer exist or will essentially be changed; let us beware of following a false mysticism which instead of leading to the defense of the faith only brings us back to old heresies. The task of today's Catholic is not to invent a new traditional church, but to love and defend the eternal Catholic Church; it is not to follow strange "revelations," but to remain faithful to the one Revelation (or "Apocalypse") of Jesus Christ, definitively closed on the death of the last Apostle, the Evangelist St. John, the Seer of Patmos.
    I am a Catholic pure and simple.  But these days we use the term traditional to distinguish from what the world considers Catholic. Much as we call the socialist Marxist Satanists democrats. 
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #10 on: July 07, 2022, 12:36:23 PM »
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  • That is true. But the woman in 12: 1 I have never heard being described as the harlot but our Lady. Not sure how the two can be reconciled.

    No, these are two different women.  12:1 is Our Lady / the Church (interpreted variously as either one) ... who is forced out in the desert, as the harlot enters to take her place.

    from the note in DR (at drbo.org) to 12:1
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    The church of God. It may also, by allusion, be applied to our blessed Lady. The church is clothed with the sun, that is, with Christ: she hath the moon, that is, the changeable things of the world, under her feet: and the twelve stars with which she is crowned, are the twelve apostles: she is in labour and pain, whilst she brings forth her children, and Christ in them, in the midst of afflictions and persecutions.


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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #11 on: July 07, 2022, 12:55:45 PM »
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  • From the Haydock Bible:

    Ver. 1. A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet. By this woman, interpreters commonly understand the Church of Christ, shining with the light of faith, under the protection of the sun of justice, Jesus Christ. The moon, the Church, hath all changeable things of this world under her feet, the affections of the faithful being raised above them all. --- A woman: the Church of God. It may also, by allusion, be applied to our blessed Lady[the Virgin Mary]. The Church is clothed with the sun, that is, with Christ: she hath the moon, that is, the changeable things of the world, under her feet; and the twelve stars with which she is crowned, are the twelve apostles: she is in labour and pain, whilst she brings forth her children, and Christ in them, in the midst of afflictions and persecutions. (Challoner) --- Under the figure of a woman and of a dragon, are represented the various attempts of Satan to undermine the Church. --- On her head....twelve stars, her doctrine being delivered by the twelve apostles and their successors. (Witham)

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    « Reply #12 on: July 08, 2022, 02:33:28 PM »
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  • No, these are two different women.  12:1 is Our Lady / the Church (interpreted variously as either one) ... who is forced out in the desert, as the harlot enters to take her place.

    from the note in DR (at drbo.org) to 12:1
    Thank you! 
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Woman in Apocalypse 12 is the "harlot"?!?
    « Reply #13 on: July 12, 2022, 04:09:34 AM »
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    The article lists the lady in chapter 12 as the harlot.  Do not see two different ladies being talked about in that chapter.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church