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Author Topic: Why doesn't the Roman Mass have an epiklesis?  (Read 2900 times)

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Offline poche

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Re: Why doesn't the Roman Mass have an epiklesis?
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2018, 02:12:47 AM »
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  • I'm sort of surprised Papa nostro concelebrated the Mass and not the Divine Liturgy. He loves the Eastern Liturgies more then the Latin Rite(s), modern or otherwise.
    The Divine Liturgy = The Mass


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    Re: Why doesn't the Roman Mass have an epiklesis?
    « Reply #31 on: February 14, 2018, 08:14:27 AM »
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  • The Divine Liturgy = The Mass
    Basically, yes. But the distinction here is that those of the Eastern Rites (churches) do not use the word "Mass", only Romans call it that. In their terminology they always refer to what we call Mass as Divine Liturgy. That is what I'm trying to say.
       Pope Francis loves the Divine Liturgies more then any of the Romans' various Rites of Mass.
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Why doesn't the Roman Mass have an epiklesis?
    « Reply #32 on: February 16, 2018, 04:21:23 PM »
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  • That's ridiculous. Orthodox saints are canonized the way it was done more or less for most of history, first on a local level then on a wider level. Saints have been declared without undergoing a formal canonization process and without papal involvement even in the West. There are plenty of Orthodox saints, even from the 20th century.
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    I am simply reporting what an Orthodox priest told me. If you have a dispute with what he said then you ought to go take it up with him. Have you ever spoken to an Orthodox priest about canonization of saints? 
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    In the  Roman Catholic Church, there is no "local level" or "wider level" for recognizing saints, so whatever you're trying to imply about "the way it was done more or less for most of history" is entirely up for grabs, here.
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    What you're saying appears to be complete fabrication.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Why doesn't the Roman Mass have an epiklesis?
    « Reply #33 on: February 16, 2018, 04:23:39 PM »
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  • Basically, yes. But the distinction here is that those of the Eastern Rites (churches) do not use the word "Mass", only Romans call it that. In their terminology they always refer to what we call Mass as Divine Liturgy. That is what I'm trying to say.
      
    Pope Francis loves the Divine Liturgies more [than] any of the Romans' various Rites of Mass.
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    Maybe Francis should just go and be the Bishop of Istanbul, then he could re-name it Constantinople. Again.
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