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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: When Does Soul Enter Body?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2022, 06:02:24 PM »
Golden Legend reads like it has some тαℓмυdic influences and intrusions.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: When Does Soul Enter Body?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2022, 06:09:02 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 02, 2022, 06:02:07 PM
It's rooted in the philosophical principle that the soul is the essence of the thing and that essence informs the material object.
I'm familiar with the principle. Why could conception not be accompanied with a vegetative or sensitive soul, which eventually has the rational potency superadded? What is the argument that conception instantaneously results in *rational* ensoulment specifically?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: When Does Soul Enter Body?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2022, 06:18:50 PM »
It's pretty much Church teaching, implied in the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception.

Pius IX declared that Our Lady was free from Original Sin from the moment of her conception.  Without ensoulement she would not even quality as a human being and therefore could not contract Original Sin (being an inhuman mass of tissue), so the definition would be partly superfluous.

In addition, Pius IX removed the distinction between "animated" and "unanimated" foetus from Canon Law and punished all abortion from conception with excommunication

Between these two, that pretty much put to bed the scholastic error regarding this matter.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: When Does Soul Enter Body?
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2022, 06:20:53 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on February 02, 2022, 06:09:02 PM
I'm familiar with the principle. Why could conception not be accompanied with a vegetative or sensitive soul, which eventually has the rational potency superadded? What is the argument that conception instantaneously results in *rational* ensoulment specifically?

See post above.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: When Does Soul Enter Body?
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2022, 06:23:46 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 02, 2022, 06:18:50 PM
It's pretty much Church teaching, implied in the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception.

Pius IX declared that Our Lady was free from Original Sin from the moment of her conception.  Without ensoulement she would not even quality as a human being and therefore could not contract Original Sin (being an inhuman mass of tissue), so the definition would be partly superfluous.

In addition, Pius IX removed the distinction between "animated" and "unanimated" foetus from Canon Law and punished all abortion from conception with excommunication

Between these two, that pretty much put to bed the scholastic error regarding this matter.
I'd like to read more about the Canon law reform, please provide some authors or links to consult. 

So far as IC goes, one could simply read that as pope Pius wanting to make it clear that she was preserved from original sin altogether, and putting it the way he put it provided no wiggle room. I would never expect the Church to actually define when ensoulment occurs exactly.
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