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Offline Cryptinox

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When does something cease to be true and natural water?
« on: February 13, 2021, 11:22:27 PM »
The Council of Trent says the following on baptism:
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CANON II.-If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.
My question is: When does something cease to be true and natural water? Would dyed water be valid matter? What about tap water with chlorine and all those chemicals? What about Flint, Michigan water? What about Ganges river water? What about water with flavoring and/or sugar? I am genuinely curious.
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Offline Nadir

Re: When does something cease to be true and natural water?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2021, 04:31:34 AM »
Maybe you need something more substantive to think about.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: When does something cease to be true and natural water?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2021, 06:37:44 AM »
It’s based simply on appearance.  So if something looks like water and has its properties, then it’s considered natural water.  So tap water is fine.  Now, chicken noodle soup or chocolate milk or extremely muddy water and probably even dyed water, oh, and urine, theologians consider those to be doubtful and can only be used in emergencies when you can’t get actual water.  Another one is amniotic fluid.  Can someone baptize a baby in the womb using the movement of amniotic fluid as matter?  I believe that’s considered doubtful as well.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: When does something cease to be true and natural water?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2021, 06:40:26 AM »
Quote from: Nadir on February 14, 2021, 04:31:34 AM
Maybe you need something more substantive to think about.

I think this is a decent question to ask.  Theologians dealt with it.  There could be scenarios where you only have access to Coke in an emergency ... say coming upon a car accident with someone dying and asking for Baptism, and all you have is a bottle of Coke in your car.  Also, it’s good to alleviate scruples about tap water.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: When does something cease to be true and natural water?
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2021, 06:41:46 AM »
Another question is bread for Mass, since modern bread is mostly genetically modified.
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