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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers => Topic started by: Cryptinox on April 26, 2022, 07:54:46 PM

Title: When did Russia become schismatic?
Post by: Cryptinox on April 26, 2022, 07:54:46 PM
I have heard it said that Russia was not schismatic until after Florence. This claim interests me. I do think it is possible a lot of people in Russia weren't guilty of the sin of schism in the early centuries after the Greeks broke away but I don't know what basis of this claim is. 
Title: Re: When did Russia become schismatic?
Post by: Nadir on April 26, 2022, 09:24:57 PM
Interesting question. From 
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Russian-Orthodox-Church



While Russia (https://www.britannica.com/place/Russia) lay under Mongol (https://www.britannica.com/place/Mongol-empire) rule from the 13th through the 15th century, the Russian church enjoyed a favoured position, obtaining immunity from taxation in 1270. This period saw a remarkable growth of monasticism (https://www.britannica.com/topic/monasticism). The Monastery of the Caves (https://www.britannica.com/place/Monastery-of-the-Caves) (Pechersk Lavra) in Kiev, founded in the mid-11th century by the ascetics (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ascetics) St. Anthony (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Anthony-of-Kiev) and St. Theodosius (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Theodosius), was superseded as the foremost religious centre by the Trinity–St. Sergius monastery (https://www.britannica.com/place/Trinity-St-Sergius-monastery), which was founded in the mid-14th century by St. Sergius of Radonezh (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Saint-Sergius-of-Radonezh) (in what is now the city of Sergiyev Posad). Sergius, as well as the metropolitans St. Peter (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Peter-Russian-Orthodox-metropolitan) (1308–26) and St. Alexius (1354–78), supported the rising power of the principality of Moscow. Finally, in 1448 the Russian bishops (https://www.britannica.com/topic/bishop-Christianity) elected their own metropolitan (https://www.britannica.com/topic/metropolitan) without recourse to Constantinople, and the Russian church was thenceforth autocephalous (https://www.britannica.com/topic/autocephalous-church). In 1589 Job, the metropolitan of Moscow, was elevated to the position of patriarch with the approval of Constantinople and received the fifth rank in honour after the patriarchs of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem (https://www.britannica.com/place/Jerusalem).


Maybe the section in red answers the qustion. I’m no expert.
Title: Re: When did Russia become schismatic?
Post by: Cryptinox on April 27, 2022, 11:52:03 AM
I discovered this interesting snippet from Wikipedia on a ruler who was from Kievan Rus

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As a result of the popular uprising in 1068 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev_uprising_of_1068), Iziaslav was deposed and fled to Poland (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland).[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iziaslav_I_of_Kiev#cite_note-Franklin-1) In 1069 he retook Kiev with the help of the Polish army; however, he was ousted again by his brothers in 1073. Iziaslav turned to the German (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) king Henry IV, Holy Roman Emperor (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_IV,_Holy_Roman_Emperor), Polish king Bolesław II the Bold (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolesław_II_the_Bold), and Pope Gregory VII (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_VII), for help on several occasions. Iziaslav became the first King of Rus' in 1075 when the Pope sent him a crown. He succeeded in retaking Kiev once again in 1076, but soon died in an internecine war against Princes Oleg Sviatoslavich (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Sviatoslavich) and Boris Vyacheslavich (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Vyacheslavich).