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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 10:29:41 AM »
Quote from: Hobbledehoy
If such a thing happens in the future, the Sarum Rite would have to be updated anyways, because the ancient MSS still have the old Roman Psalter (pre-1911) and the rubrics (especially those of occurrence and concurrence) would be incompatible with the practice of the Latin Occident.


Excuse my ignorance, dear Sir (and this maybe belongs into the Divino Afflatu thread), but were all Western Rites affected by the New Roman Psalter?

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 05:47:27 PM »
Is the Sarum rite really that different from the "Standard" Tridentine rite?


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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 05:56:32 PM »
Well, not that much more than the other more ancient (Western) Rites of the Church.
The problem is, that in its current form it would not be compatible with all the various reforms of the Roman Calender, since it is "untouched" since its last use within the Catholic Church.

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 07:32:30 PM »
Quote from: Pyrrhos
Were all Western Rites affected by the New Roman Psalter?


According to my [poor] understanding, the only Rites of the Latin Occident exempt from the reforms of Pope St. Pius X were the Mozarabic and Ambrosian Rites, which are distinct from the Roman Rite. The Medieval Uses of local dioceses and Religious Orders were merely variants of the Roman Rite, and were not distinct Rites in the strict sense of the word. All existing Uses of the Roman Rite were affected by the new legislation, and this can be seen from the fact that the great Religious Orders that were possessed of their distinct Uses (such as the Benedictines, Calced Carmelites, Dominicans, Norbertines, Servites, etc.) had the typical editions of their Liturgical Books emended in order to conform to the new reforms (though within the limits of their peculiar rubrics and customs).  

As far as I know, the Benedictines (and all related Monastic Orders) were the only ones to have kept their ancient Psalter, composed by St. Benedict as found in the Holy Rule in the 5th century or so.

It was the Anglo-Catholics who continued to recite (in the Coverdale translation) the ancient Roman Psalter, and even some of them abandoned the practice, as is seen in the Anglican Breviary published in 1955, which adopted the Psalter-schema of 1911.

In 1957, there were reforms promulgated for the Ambrosian Breviary, but I do not know the nature of these reforms. I do not know what happened with the Mozarabic Rite...

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 07:36:21 PM »
Thanks again so much for this additional piece of information!