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Offline Cryptinox

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What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
« on: May 12, 2021, 06:55:51 PM »
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  • I don't know when I am required to witness or when I am not. I doubt I am required to all the time just cause I know a clerk at a store is muslim or Orthodox. But idk. I sometimes feel worried with the Orthodox because of how they have a valid Eucharist and since they are heretics, they are in mortal sin so if the Orthodox person goes to Church on Sundays he/she would be profaning the Body of Christ unless their "priest" was a former anglican just received by vesting. Also I sometimes feel bad at family events because my aunts (one specifically) are on the road to hell and I don't know what to do.

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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #1 on: May 12, 2021, 07:12:41 PM »
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  • St. Thomas gives guidelines about when correction is required or even permitted, and evangelizing is in that category.

    You have an obligation if you're someone's superior and therefore responsible fro them to a point.

    You also have an obligation, to a point, with those you have duties toward, such as a spouse or your parents, because honoring them involves doing all you can toward there salvation.

    But the biggest is the prudential consideration.  Will whatever say do ANY good whatsoever?  In some cases, it might make it worse and make them push even farther away.  So it's a judgment call.

    Basically, pray for the person, and ask the Holy Spirit for hints about where He might be inviting you to intervene somehow.


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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #2 on: May 12, 2021, 08:45:45 PM »
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  • bout teaching. 
    The Ministry of the Twelve
    (Matthew 10:5-15Luke 9:1-6)


    7And he called the twelve; and began to send them two and two, and gave them power over unclean spirits.  8And he commanded them that they should take nothing for the way, but a staff only: no scrip, no bread, nor money in their purse,  9But to be shod with sandals, and that they should not put on two coats.  10And he said to them: Wheresoever you shall enter into an house, there abide till you depart from that place.  11And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you; going forth from thence, shake off the dust from your feet for a testimony to them.  12And going forth they preached that men should do penance:  13And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #3 on: May 12, 2021, 09:02:35 PM »
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  • The twelve were ordained priests/bishops, and so were appointed to preach, exorcise and anoint. Cryptinox is a layman.

    Your duty, Crypt, is to show by the way you live what you believe and speak out as the opportunity arises, with prudence. Do not cast your pearls before pigs.

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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #4 on: May 13, 2021, 04:16:05 AM »
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  • That means 12 were at Last Supper with zero women.  Then we don’t receive communion?  Only the ordained should receive communion?

    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #5 on: May 13, 2021, 04:22:10 AM »
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  • Douay-Rheims Bible
    Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine.
    2timothy4:2
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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #6 on: May 13, 2021, 04:24:00 AM »
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  • St. Thomas gives guidelines about when correction is required or even permitted, and evangelizing is in that category.

    You have an obligation if you're someone's superior and therefore responsible fro them to a point.

    You also have an obligation, to a point, with those you have duties toward, such as a spouse or your parents, because honoring them involves doing all you can toward their salvation.

    But the biggest is the prudential consideration.  Will whatever say do ANY good whatsoever?  In some cases, it might make it worse and make them push even farther away.  So it's a judgment call.

    Basically, pray for the person, and ask the Holy Spirit for hints about where He might be inviting you to intervene somehow.

    Yes, Ladislaus saved me some typing as usual.

    Don't cast your pearls before swine. This is a common mistake of the Protestants.

    HOWEVER, if you're interested in fulfilling your duty before God, then LEARN YOUR FAITH WELL. We live in a post-Christian society. We are surrounded by infidels and heretics. Become an apologetics expert. When non-Catholics ask questions about the Faith, the Mass, the saints, statues, sacraments, sacramentals, Church history, praying to saints, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Incarnation, the exact nature of Jesus, etc. you should have answers to ALL THEIR QUESTIONS.

    I'll tell you this: when someone asks you an honest question, or when someone is seeking the truth and investigating the Faith, and you (a known Traditional Catholic) is forced to shrug and mumble incoherently "ahuhnoh" ("I don't know"), you will probably have to answer for that later at your Judgment. Can you honestly say that God didn't give you the brain to remember/understand, and didn't give you enough time to read a couple books? I would never be so bold to accuse God of either of these things -- but there are some who are retarded, etc. and they are indeed off the hook. If you're really going to claim "too busy" you better be right -- you better not be wasting time, because you can't fool God, even if you can fool yourself.

    You never know when you will come across an honest seeker of truth, a person of good will. That person's salvation might depend on YOU picking up that Catholic book in your hour of downtime, instead of turning on the TV, firing up the gaming console, or kicking back to waste another hour on Youtube.

    I wish I had a nickel for every time I found reason to bring up something I just read in a Catholic book (whether the book is about a saint, apologetics, history, doctrine, spirituality, etc.) in the next week after reading it. It's an amazing coincidence that seems to happen to me a LOT. If I really got a nickel for every time my studying the Faith has come in useful, I'd have a lot more square feet around here: I'd be able to put up another house on my land.
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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #7 on: May 13, 2021, 04:27:04 AM »
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  • Mark 16:15

    And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation!
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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #8 on: May 13, 2021, 04:34:14 AM »
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  • Mark 16:15

    And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation!

    Yes, he indeed said this to the Apostles, who were both priests and bishops.

    Unlike Protestants, we Catholics don't blur the line between the Ordained and the Layman. Nevertheless, laymen have their role to play in street apologetics, witnessing to the Faith and answering questions of our friends and co-workers, going places priests can't easily go.

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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #9 on: May 13, 2021, 05:27:32 AM »
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  • The twelve were ordained priests/bishops, and so were appointed to preach, exorcise and anoint. Cryptinox is a layman.

    Your duty, Crypt, is to show by the way you live what you believe and speak out as the opportunity arises, with prudence. Do not cast your pearls before pigs.
    Yes, this. As much as possible, you should not associate with unbelievers.
    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man." - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #10 on: May 13, 2021, 06:24:44 AM »
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  • That means 12 were at Last Supper with zero women.  Then we don’t receive communion?  Only the ordained should receive communion?

    There is no mention in the Gospels of any woman being present at the Last Supper. I don’t understand why that would mean that women don’t receive Holy Communion. Only the ordained can consecrate.

    The point I was making does not concern the distinction and roles of the two sexes, but the distinction between the ordained and the laity.

    So St Paul was the priest/bishop apostle to the gentiles and St Timothy his devoted servant and Bishop of Ephesus. They were full time missionaries while Cryptinox is a student layman. Two very different roles.

    As Matthew said, his role is to know his faith so he can use his knowledge to help sincere seekers when they want to know the cause of his hope - 
    being ready always to satisfy every one that asketh you a reason of that hope which is in you. 1 Peter 3:15


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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #11 on: May 13, 2021, 07:12:14 AM »
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  • There is no mention in the Gospels of any woman being present at the Last Supper. I don’t understand why that would mean that women don’t receive Holy Communion.
    No one else "understands" it either.  It is another of those VCR comments/questions/insights that just make you scratch your head.
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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #12 on: May 13, 2021, 07:44:03 AM »
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  • No one else "understands" it either.  It is another of those VCR comments/questions/insights that just make you scratch your head.
    What is a "VCR comment"?

    It is too bad that we can't devote more of our efforts to being lay apologists, and beat the Protestants at their own game.  Being conversant in the Bible is a start.

    The priestly sex abuse crisis has pretty much destroyed the ability of the "newchurch" to persuade anybody --- and has destroyed our ability as well, unbelievers don't make that distinction.  Regardless of how succinct and cogent our arguments are, the unbeliever just has to come back and say "yeah, but your priesthood is a nest of queers and pedophiles".  I'm not saying that's right, I'm just saying that is their perception.

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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #13 on: May 13, 2021, 08:27:14 AM »
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  • Good answers to Crypt's question. And I think Viva's point is, Catholic women too are called and are free to help the Church in Evangelization. We cannot forget that the first witnesses whom Our Risen Lord Jesus chose to proclaim the Good News of His Resurrection were women. It is also evident from St. Paul's epistles that many layfolk, both men and women, co-labored with the Apostles.

    Evangelism is difficult but very rewarding work. God is pleased with us when we find time to spread the Faith and grow the Church and will bless our efforts toward that end, provided they are backed by prayer and proper study. If we wish to reconcile Protestants with the Church, as others said, we should know the Bible like the back of our hand. For Orthodox Christians, Crypt, if they ask you, be prepared and well equipped with citations from the early Church Fathers and Councils, which they accept. The Council of Chalcedon on the Papacy is a winner.

    This is a great article on that: http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/a35.htm
    And for Prots: http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/PeterRockKeysPrimacyRome.htm

    I agree with Matthew that taking the time to read good Catholic books is of the utmost importance. You, Crypt, are very young and have a long time ahead of you. I'm sure God is pleased with your desire and will bless your efforts to help lead non-Catholics to salvation. For the time being, you can pray the Rosary every day - maybe an extra five decades if you can - for the conversion and salvation of all your non-Catholic friends. You can also read the Bible every day, which will help you gain knowledge helpful in Evangelism, and also the Roman Catechism if you can. The Roman Catechism has great apologetic and catechetical material, where the Church explains many of Her practices with Scriptural and Traditional reasons drawn from the Bible and Fathers. Those in turn could be used when speaking to Protestants and Orthodox. I agree with others that living the Faith is most important. All should see you as someone who loves God and loves your neighbour. If they raise difficulties or doubts, you should be able, based on your study and research, to succinctly answer them.

    Edit: Priests are like Fathers in the family. They have the primary responsibility to grow the Church by Baptizing and Evangelizing. And especially in situations where Priests are not doing their duty, laity too may help Evangelize, and then bring souls to Priests to receive Holy Baptism. Let's pray and work for many to be saved. If we can help convince even one person to receive Baptism or, if already baptized, to be reconciled to the Church through Confession, we would have done a great work of mercy for which God will reward us.

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    Re: What obligation do Catholics have to evangelize?
    « Reply #14 on: May 13, 2021, 08:49:11 AM »
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  • What obligation is there to evangelize?  V2 says we shouldn’t. Also, we don’t need to because baptism of desire will save anyone who wants to be saved...or anyone who doesn’t know about the Church.  Evangelization is an out-dated idea. 
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    ...Unless you’re a true, orthodox, Traditional Catholic.  If so, then the above paragraph is 100% heresy. 


     

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