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Author Topic: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?  (Read 10297 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #65 on: May 29, 2023, 05:50:03 PM »

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Both the dialogue mass and the hand missal serve to make the liturgy more accessible to the faithful. The liturgy is not meant to be 100 percent accessible to the faithful.
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Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #66 on: May 29, 2023, 05:52:38 PM »
Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away.

Touché:laugh1: Gentle admonition in passing, hardly at all disturbed or frightened....


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Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #67 on: May 29, 2023, 05:54:27 PM »
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LETTER
 In which Pope Pius X approves the work of the Bishop of Limerick
on the writings of Cardinal Newman.
To his Venerable Brother
Edward Thomas Bishop of Limerick
Again, Pope St Pius X was approving a book WRITTEN BY THE BISHOP OF LIMERICK....St Pius X was not endorsing everything that +Newman wrote.


The fact that you can't see the difference is alarming.  :laugh2:

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #68 on: May 29, 2023, 06:01:13 PM »
Again, Pope St Pius X was approving a book WRITTEN BY THE BISHOP OF LIMERICK....St Pius X was not endorsing everything that +Newman wrote.


The fact that you can't see the difference is alarming.  :laugh2:

There's no doubt that St. Pius X did not have the time to personally investigate / study the voluminous works of Newman.  He therefore deferred to the analysis done by this particular bishop.  Newman, being the typical Modernist, will intermingle orthodox statements with the Modernist ones, and someone who wanted to defend Newman could do so by cherry-picking (or focusing on) the orthodox statements.  Cardinal Manning at one point stated that he had found at least 10 heresies in the works of Newman, and always referred to Newman disparagingly as "Doctor Newman".  6 UK bishops denounced Newman to Rome for heresy.  But one need look no further than Newman's statement appealing to a future Pope to correct the definition of infallibility for irrefutable evidence that he was a Modernist.

Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #69 on: May 29, 2023, 06:02:25 PM »
That’s where it leads, and that’s why it’s modernist: If the Mass isn’t intelligible, you’re not participating (so said the English Protestants under Henry VIII, and the modernist liturgical movement of Lambert Beauduin).

In fact, quite logically, the Novus Ordo now actively discourages the hand missal, since, having achieved a vernacular rite, it serves no purpose except to stop daydreaming (and it impedes “doing stuff” to “more fully participate”).

Furthermore, the SSPX says Mass largely in the vernacular in parts of France and Germany.  So why a hand missal tgere??
Right, I only moderate my statements in saying that the hand missal isn't modernist but is a watering-down that facilitates Modernism. That's a word that I think is best-suited to refer to the formally perverse ideas and praxis of the Conciliar Church. 

The problem is that if one weighs things out with a full view of Tradition, taking into account the truly perennial practices of our religion, then a frighteningly large amount of the practices we have begin to look "modernist."

Do men and women sit mixed in our churches? Do priests ever refuse absolution to recidivists? Do we receive communion as frequently as we wish with or without preparation? Do laypeople serve at the altar?

This is all "modernism" if we paint with a broad enough brush.