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Oh, a lay missal is definitely modernist.  It's just that it can be used in a different way than the modernist inventors intended (i.e., individual devotion instead of collectivity, and “more conscious worship”).

  Ok, then I guess you and I disagree on what "modernist" means.  I only apply the "modernist" label to things which are actually and intended to be, un-orthodox and which were approved by modernist/liberal popes.


No matter the intention of the "inventor", St Pius X glowingly endorsed the missal as a good thing.  That, in essence, means it's not modernist; because one of the most-Trad/orthodox popes approved it.

You can point to history and say missals are "new", but the printing press wasn't invented until the 1500s.  Is the idea of people having Bibles, or catechisms, or the Divine Office in their homes also "modernist"?  Because none of that happened until the 1900s either.

The history of books in general says that ownership of such was a luxury until the 1900s.  The idea of lay missals is just a good, catholic use of technology, just like one can download an "app" on their phone to pray or get reminders about novenas, etc.

I agree that you are against "collectivist" prayers but the lay missal more an example of technology improving one's life than a push for uniformity.  The push for uniformity will always be present, in any age, simply because most people are followers.  

Newman absolutely was a Modernist and manifested this when, grudgingly accepting Vatican I, he appealed to a future Pope to revise the teaching.  That's Modernism in a nutshell.

I would maintain that the use of hand missal isn't "modernist," at least, not any more modernist than the dialogue mass. It is confused, as is the DM. These practices conflate the roles of the faithful and the celebrant at Mass. It isn't for the faithful to know exactly what the priest is saying at every moment of the Mass. Those prayers are directed to GOD, after all. 

People who brandish their hand missals should at least be coherent and clamor for a Mass in the vernacular. I mean, isn't it retarded that we have a religion that forces us to dress up on Sundays and assist at a ceremony that you and your family won't remotely profit from unless you pony up 60 bucks for every member of your family to be able to follow along in their missals? L0l.

As for the guy who mentioned the printing press, he is defeated by his own argument. There is a reason that catholic civilisation waited four centuries to start printing lay missals and it's not because of how luxurious and cost-prohibitive the printing of small books was. It's because people from those ages would have thought it abnormal that lay people should be scanning a miniature missal instead of praying at Mass. If you don't believe me, then explain the ridiculous amounts of missal-sized prayer books that litter European flea-markets. There wouldn't be so many if only 17th century Elon Musk could afford them.

I still don't understand why people are so attached to things that only became commonplace in the Church because of 20th century modernists. Some of you are on other threads talking about how you don't trust ANYTHING that comes from Big Pharma. So why are you gobbling everything that comes from Beauduin, Botte, et al? The people who wrecked our Church?