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Offline Soubirous

Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2023, 05:17:35 PM »
Quote from: 6 Million Oreos on May 29, 2023, 03:38:46 PM
These practices conflate the roles of the faithful and the celebrant at Mass. It isn't for the faithful to know exactly what the priest is saying at every moment of the Mass. Those prayers are directed to GOD, after all.
I agree. That's like eavesdropping. I don't dwell on those during Mass. But that doesn't mean we're forbidden to know in general.


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People who brandish their hand missals should at least be coherent and clamor for a Mass in the vernacular.
Non sequitur.


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I mean, isn't it retarded that we have a religion that forces us
Um, "retarded" and "forces us", in the same sentence as "we have a religion that"...? 


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I still don't understand why people are so attached to things that only became commonplace in the Church because of 20th century modernists.
A missal has lots more in it than just the parts of the Mass that the laity shouldn't speak themselves. Sure, it's wrong to be attached to created things, but how is it modernist to be "attached" to the words of longer unmemorized prayers, litanies, psalms?

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Offline 6 Million Oreos

Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #61 on: May 29, 2023, 05:26:28 PM »
Both the dialogue mass and the hand missal serve to make the liturgy more accessible to the faithful. The liturgy is not meant to be 100 percent accessible to the faithful. Not that it is hermetic, but its purpose is other than to be a spectacle for laypeople. Why do you think virtually all sanctuaries were veiled before the year 1500? This is still practiced amongst the easterners, with their use of the iconostasis that renders it impossible but to catch a few glimpses of what's happening at the altar. 

I'll reiterate my point that I think those who promote the use of the hand missal should be logical and push for the mass to be said in English. What is the point of the priest celebrating mass in Latin when everyone behind him is reading a direct translation of everything he's saying? Maybe God just thinks latin sounds cool....
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Offline 6 Million Oreos

Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #62 on: May 29, 2023, 05:29:51 PM »
Quote from: Soubirous on May 29, 2023, 05:17:35 PM

Um, "retarded" and "forces us", in the same sentence as "we have a religion that"...?


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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #63 on: May 29, 2023, 05:40:18 PM »
Quote from: 6 Million Oreos on May 29, 2023, 05:26:28 PM
I'll reiterate my point that I think those who promote the use of the hand missal should be logical and push for the mass to be said in English.

That’s where it leads, and that’s why it’s modernist: If the Mass isn’t intelligible, you’re not participating (so said the English Protestants under Henry VIII, and the modernist liturgical movement of Lambert Beauduin).

In fact, quite logically, the Novus Ordo now actively discourages the hand missal, since, having achieved a vernacular rite, it serves no purpose except to stop daydreaming (and it impedes “doing stuff” to “more fully participate”).

Furthermore, the SSPX says Mass largely in the vernacular in parts of France and Germany.  So why a hand missal tgere??
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: What is the problem with the "Dialogue Mass"?
« Reply #64 on: May 29, 2023, 05:49:27 PM »

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That’s where it leads, and that’s why it’s modernist:
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