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Offline Cryptinox

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What does praesumpserint mean?
« on: June 14, 2021, 03:53:53 PM »
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  • I want to know the exact meaning in latin since I found this word in a dogmatic definition wikitionary has multiple meanings.


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    Re: What does praesumpserint mean?
    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2021, 04:58:47 PM »
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  • Here a hint:


    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=praesumpserint&la=la


    For a translation the context is needed.

    It's something like "in the future they/some may (want to) assume (that ...)"
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)


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    Re: What does praesumpserint mean?
    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2021, 05:08:15 PM »
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  • In a typical dogmatic definition it might have been used to mean "lest they'll come to claim X which is even worse than what we condemn here". 
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: What does praesumpserint mean?
    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2021, 05:36:25 PM »
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  • Literally, the word "sumo" means something along the lines of to "take up", "absorb" or "take in".

    "prae" means beforehand.

    So literally it means "to take up beforehand".  So the context matters.  If one takes up (an opinion) beforehand, i.e. before evidence or logic proves a fact, then one engages in presumption.  With a physical thing, like a meal, it would mean to take beforehand (i.e. before the appointed time).  So if I presumed a meal, I would eat from the available food before everyone else convened for the planned meal.  It can mean something along the lines of jumping the gun.

    "Ah, Dr. Smith, I presume."  I'm taking a guess before I know for sure.  Our sin of presumption is related in that one is assuming that one has forgiveness before one actually receives it.  Or assumes they'll go to heaven before it's a done deal.  Assuming, BTW, also has the same root of "sumo".

    Add a different prefix "con" which in addition to "with" can have the sense of thoroughly, "con-sumo" means to take up thoroughly, such as in the expression, oh, "that work consumed all of my remaining strength" or even "I consumed an entire bottle of wine."

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    Re: What does praesumpserint mean?
    « Reply #4 on: June 14, 2021, 05:51:52 PM »
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  • Literally, the word "sumo" means something along the lines of to "take up", "absorb" or "take in".

    "prae" means beforehand.

    So literally it means "to take up beforehand".  So the context matters.  If one takes up (an opinion) beforehand, i.e. before evidence or logic proves a fact, then one engages in presumption.  With a physical thing, like a meal, it would mean to take beforehand (i.e. before the appointed time).  So if I presumed a meal, I would eat from the available food before everyone else convened for the planned meal.  It can mean something along the lines of jumping the gun.

    "Ah, Dr. Smith, I presume."  I'm taking a guess before I know for sure.  Our sin of presumption is related in that one is assuming that one has forgiveness before one actually receives it.  Or assumes they'll go to heaven before it's a done deal.  Assuming, BTW, also has the same root of "sumo".

    Add a different prefix "con" which in addition to "with" can have the sense of thoroughly, "con-sumo" means to take up thoroughly, such as in the expression, oh, "that work consumed all of my remaining strength" or even "I consumed an entire bottle of wine."
    Ok I was trying to see if the word could imply obstinacy or not. I found a definition that uses the word that seems to heavily suggest material heretics would be outside the Church as taught by theologians like Ludwig Ott.