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Author Topic: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?  (Read 6071 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2020, 08:29:46 AM »
The Eastern churches are not free of the effects of Vatican II.  See JPII's 1990 Code of Canon Law for the Eastern Churches:

http://www.jgray.org/codes/cceo90eng.html

The Religion of Ecuмenism is alive and well in the Eastern arm of the Novus Ordo....even if the orders are valid.

Would you like to cite any particular Canons?  No one has the time to read the entire Eastern Code.  "Ecuмenism" isn't actually even a precise term.  When people criticize "Ecuмenism" it's more about the implicit theology of religious indifferentism.

Re: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2020, 09:02:36 AM »
Would you like to cite any particular Canons?  No one has the time to read the entire Eastern Code.  "Ecuмenism" isn't actually even a precise term.  When people criticize "Ecuмenism" it's more about the implicit theology of religious indifferentism.
All one has to do is search for some of the typical offensive words/terms associated with the Vatican II/ JPII's 1983 Code of Canon Law theology/ecclesiology like "full communion" or "dialogue" or "unity".


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2020, 09:11:19 AM »
All one has to do is search for some of the typical offensive words/terms associated with the Vatican II/ JPII's 1983 Code of Canon Law theology/ecclesiology like "full communion" or "dialogue" or "unity".

Still need context.  "Dialogue" and "unity" are legitimate terms and depend on context.  "Full communion" can be also understood in a number of different ways.  So, with a quick glance, the first use of the term constrasts the baptized with catechumens, stating that the baptized who profess the faith are in full communion, but that catechumens are united to the Church (in less than full communion due to lack of Baptism).  This is not illegitimate, as Catholics theologians have referred to catechumens having a partial or imperfect membership in the Church.  So it's not enough to find a buzzword to establish your case.

This shoot-from-the hip hurling of heresy accusations is one of the worst aspects of dogmatic sedevacantism.

Re: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2020, 09:58:04 AM »
Still need context.  "Dialogue" and "unity" are legitimate terms and depend on context.  "Full communion" can be also understood in a number of different ways.  So, with a quick glance, the first use of the term constrasts the baptized with catechumens, stating that the baptized who profess the faith are in full communion, but that catechumens are united to the Church (in less than full communion due to lack of Baptism).  This is not illegitimate, as Catholics theologians have referred to catechumens having a partial or imperfect membership in the Church.  So it's not enough to find a buzzword to establish your case.

This shoot-from-the hip hurling of heresy accusations is one of the worst aspects of dogmatic sedevacantism.
Ah, so you're now decided I am a dogmatic sedevacantist and you've accused me of making "shoot from the hip hurling of heresy accusations".  No, not shooting from the hip, but thanks for your shooting from the hip accusations.
 
How about you just do a search for those words for the context you so sorely need.  It's simple.....CtrL F.  

It is interesting how you're so quick to defend a JPII Code of Canon Law.  Do you really think the 1983 version is the only one infected with Vatican II theology?  Do you really think that if he promulgated this code that the correct understanding of those words is being used?

Re: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2020, 07:06:12 AM »
So the Maronite ordinations and episcopal consecrations are valid? They're not the same as the Novus Ordo?
I am told that somewhere in the Maronite mass there is a prayer for the conversion of the Holy Father.