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Offline Cryptinox

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Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« on: June 29, 2020, 06:39:12 PM »
I have been told the Ukrainians and tha Maronites changed their rites. I plan on going to a Syro Malakanra church for confession some time soon so I would like to know what eastern rites have changed in substantial ways.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2020, 06:44:18 PM »
There were no substantial changes.  Maronites messed with their Mass in terms of facing the people, having lay readers, even altar girls in many places, etc. but it's still a valid Mass, despite many Novus Ordoisms in terms of custom.  Ukrainians are nearly unchanged except for some chant melodies.
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Re: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2020, 10:38:24 AM »
So the Maronite ordinations and episcopal consecrations are valid? They're not the same as the Novus Ordo?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2020, 11:29:44 AM »
Quote from: Ballistol on June 30, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
So the Maronite ordinations and episcopal consecrations are valid? They're not the same as the Novus Ordo?

I could be wrong, but I don't believe they changed those substantially.  With the Mass, they did move to vernacular, allowed various other reforms like lay participation, but they kept their Canon intact, including the immediate passage around the consecration being spoken in Aramaic.  I wouldn't want to attend one because of all the modernizations, but I have no reason to believe it's invalid.  With these Eastern Rites, they just didn't have the resources to set up a large commission to study changing everything and come up with a new version ... like the Roman Rite Bugnini commission ... and they really had no real reason/motivation to change them.
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Re: Were there any changes to the eastern rites of ordination?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2020, 12:02:22 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 30, 2020, 11:29:44 AM
I could be wrong, but I don't believe they changed those substantially.  With the Mass, they did move to vernacular, allowed various other reforms like lay participation, but they kept their Canon intact, including the immediate passage around the consecration being spoken in Aramaic.  I wouldn't want to attend one because of all the modernizations, but I have no reason to believe it's invalid.  With these Eastern Rites, they just didn't have the resources to set up a large commission to study changing everything and come up with a new version ... like the Roman Rite Bugnini commission ... and they really had no real reason/motivation to change them.

Thanks for your response. It's helpful in case I ever have the only option to assist at a Maronite Mass or receive Sacraments from them.
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