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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Viva il Papa!
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2023, 08:04:01 AM »
Just compare that spectacle with the demeanor of Pope St. Pius X (as well as the demeanors of all the others in this picture):


Re: Viva il Papa!
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2023, 08:05:07 AM »
I hope that didn't actually happen.


Re: Viva il Papa!
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2023, 08:33:31 AM »
He was well known as a major Germanophile ... and early in his "career" he served as the Papal Nuncio to Bavaria (and effectively to Germany and Prussia as well), from 1917 to 1929, so he would have had 12 years to become comfortable with German.

I am aware of that.  My point was that his German was formidable.

If Newchurch was seeking to persuade Anglophones of the correctness of the new religion (and that's what it is), they needed to elect a Pope who was fluent in English, which is the lingua franca of many countries, not just the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland.  Francis's command of English, by his own admission, is not all that good.

Perhaps trying to make a point that the Anglosphere isn't all that important?  (But don't forget that the Philippines, which is very much the model Newchurch country, docile, poor, uncritically accepting of Vatican II and the Novus Ordo, in love with Francis like a teenage schoolgirl with posters of boy band idols on her bedroom wall, of huge numbers, and of color, has English as its lingua franca too.)

Re: Viva il Papa!
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2023, 08:34:05 AM »
I hope that didn't actually happen.
What is the "that"?

Re: Viva il Papa!
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2023, 08:47:04 AM »
Not sure how much of that is real vs. staged, since it's from a movie.

I didn't care for it.  If this was normal at the Vatican (vs. staged for the movie), we can see that the idea of the "Rock Star Pope" didn't originate with the V2 papal imposters.  He's making the old "bring it on" gesture immortalized by Wojtyla.  They're singing Handel (a Protestant) with lots of female voices.  Of course, singing "Alleleuia" for the Pope (rather than directed toward God) is also a bit over the top.  Finally, the worst part, clapping and cheering in church as if they were at a rock concert.

This is a visual of the same thing that happened theologically / doctrinally, where Pius XII's papacy was THE watershed that ushered in the Vatican II era.

I'd much rather see a quiet, somber, uncharismatic pope ... who restored the Sodalitium, stamped out Modernism, and condemned all the errors of the day (which were pervasive among the Catholic clergy and the hierarchy).

Oh, LOL, as per the one video of a +Thuc-line consecration where someone criticized the bishop for tracing upside down crosses with his hand in the air ... Pius XII did the same thing.

Pius XII ushered in the Vatican II era, and this is a visual representation thereof.

But keep in mind that Pius XII was the first Pope of the era when mass video communication was possible.  Prior to 1939, you didn't have television, and video of world events would have been limited to newsreels at the cinema.  Mass media brought the expectation that the faithful would actually see the Pope, hear what he sounded like, and so on.  John XXIII and Paul VI were about as untelegenic as it's possible to get, but John Paul II was a handsome, relatively young man, reasonably fluent in English (albeit heavily accented), and a professionally trained actor on top of that.