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Offline LeDeg

Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #210 on: December 08, 2022, 02:49:35 PM »
Apocalypse 18

[23] And the light of the lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, for all nations have been deceived by thy enchantments. [24] And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #211 on: December 08, 2022, 03:20:56 PM »
Quote from: LeDeg on December 08, 2022, 02:49:35 PM
Apocalypse 18

[23] And the light of the lamp shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth, for all nations have been deceived by thy enchantments. [24] And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Powerful and haunting verses. 
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Offline LeDeg

Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #212 on: December 08, 2022, 05:14:59 PM »
Matt. 24

[45]Who, thinkest thou, is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath appointed over his family, to give them meat in season.
[46] Blessed is that servant, whom when his lord shall come he shall find so doing. [47] Amen I say to you, he shall place him over all his goods. [48] But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord is long a coming: [49] And shall begin to strike his fellow servants, and shall eat and drink with drunkards: [50] The lord of that servant shall come in a day that he hopeth not, and at an hour that he knoweth not:
[51] And shall separate him, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #213 on: December 08, 2022, 05:41:03 PM »
Good old Struthio, I wonder what ever happened to him? I haven't seen him on here in a year or two.

His theory outlined here gets bonus points for cleverness, but it's obviously wrong. The "consummation of the world" means the end of the world, not the beginning of some time period before the end of the world. I can't imagine how he can get that interpretation from reading these passages. If the "consummation of the world" refers to a time period, what defines the beginning of that time period? He never explained this, and the passages he quoted don't say that either, since that's not what they're saying.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #214 on: December 08, 2022, 06:13:53 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2022, 05:41:03 PM
Good old Struthio, I wonder what ever happened to him? I haven't seen him on here in a year or two.

His theory outlined here gets bonus points for cleverness, but it's obviously wrong. The "consummation of the world" means the end of the world, not the beginning of some time period before the end of the world. I can't imagine how he can get that interpretation from reading these passages. If the "consummation of the world" refers to a time period, what defines the beginning of that time period? He never explained this, and the passages he quoted don't say that either, since that's not what they're saying.

Yeti,

Yeah, miss Struthio greatly. 

Obviously wrong? That's merely an assertion. There's what, 11 pages or 12, in the thread where he goes into the language of the relevant verses, quotes fathers, etc. He lays it out and presents an argument, with support. He addresses what's thrown at him and engages in genuine discussion and engages his opponents, and I think largely gets the best of them, on the merits. "Obviously wrong" is merely an assertion divorced from the 11 or 12 pages that went before. 

I'm not saying he's right, but show him in a persuasive argument that he's wrong. I haven't seen a persuasive argument against him in this thread. 

DR
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