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Offline Struthio

Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« on: August 14, 2019, 02:52:02 PM »


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So then, just as he sent apostles, whom he chose out of the world [39], even as he had been sent by the Father [40], in like manner it was his will that in his church there should be shepherds and teachers until the end of time.
Source: Vatican Council, Pastor aeternus papalencyclicals.net

There should be shepherds and teachers until the end of time. What exactly does until the end of time mean? Here the latin:
 
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ita in Ecclesia sua pastores et doctores "usque ad consummationem saeculi" [Mt 28,20] esse voluit.
Source: Denzinger/Hünermann: Enchiridium symbolorum, Herder, 2009

Ok, shepherds and teachers up to the consummation of the world.
Now, what exactly does consummatio saeculi mean?

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Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
 
 docentes eos servare omnia quaecuмque mandavi vobis : et ecce ego vobiscuм sum omnibus diebus, usque ad consummationem saeculi.
 
Source: Mt 28,20 drbo.org

Christ is with us in his shepherds. This doesn't answer our question: What exactly does consummatio saeculi mean?
 

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[3] And when he was sitting on mount Olivet, the disciples came to him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the consummation of the world?
 
 Sedente autem eo super montem Oliveti, accesserunt ad eum discipuli secreto, dicentes : Dic nobis, quando haec erunt? et quod signum adventus tui, et consummationis saeculi?
 
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[14] And this gospel of the kingdom, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come.
 
 Et praedicabitur hoc Evangelium regni in universo orbe, in testimonium omnibus gentibus : et tunc veniet consummatio.
 
 [15] When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand.
 
 cuм ergo videritis abominationem desolationis, quae dicta est a Daniele propheta, stantem in loco sancto, qui legit, intelligat:
Source: Mt 24 drbo.org

Here we have the answer. The consummation will start with the abomination of desolation in the last days of tribulation before the second coming of Our Lord.

See also: Daniel 9,27

What is the abomination of desolation?

St. John Chrysostom in the Opus imperfectum on Matthew in Homily XLIX on Mt 24 says that the destruction of the Church will parallel the destruction of Jerusalem A.D. 70. The hosts of Titus in A.D. 70 are hosts of heretics at that time. Most Jews were killed in A.D. 70, and the rest scattered all over the world. Most Catholics will be spiritually killed at that time, and the rest scattered all over the world. Following St. John Chrysostom, "the" Antichrist is not a single person but is the hosts of heretics.
 
Conclusion: The infallible Vatican Council, in Pastor aeternus, says that there shall be shepherds and teachers up to the consummation, which starts with the erection of the abomination of desolation, which is the beginning of the "last days", of  the "time of tribulation".
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Offline Praeter

Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2019, 09:19:44 PM »
Well, according to the teaching of Bishop Sanborn, the "end of time" must refer to 1965, or shortly thereafter.
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Offline LeDeg

Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2019, 12:39:30 AM »
Very interesting insights.


Honest question. How does the conclusion not lead one to consider that the Home Aloners are correct?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2019, 06:24:06 AM »
Quote from: LeDeg on August 15, 2019, 12:39:30 AM
Very interesting insights.


Honest question. How does the conclusion not lead one to consider that the Home Aloners are correct?
I didn't get that out of the conclusion.

If there will be shepherds and teachers, i.e. bishops and priests till the end of time, then Home Aloners (the dogmatic ones), are wrong to think there are no priests left because the end of time has not yet come.  The Home Aloners who stay home because there is no TLM near them but do indeed go to the True Mass when it is possible for them to go, are correct in doing so. 
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Offline Struthio

Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2019, 06:40:28 AM »
Quote from: LeDeg on August 15, 2019, 12:39:30 AM
Honest question. How does the conclusion not lead one to consider that the Home Aloners are correct?

Very good question.

The abomination of desolation, which is the beginning of the consummation of the world, would be the Robber Council 1962-1965 where virtually all apostolically authorized shepherds met to declare their revolt (2 Thess 2,3) and apostasy and adherence to the "synthesis of all heresies" in a most solemn act. They found a new religion of man and make fire to come down from heaven unto the earth (Apoc 13,13) for their new pentecost.

The Vatican Council explains the promise of our Lord (Mt 28,20) that there shall be apostolically authorized sheperds until the consummation.

The consummation is lasting more than 50 years now. It may last 70 years like the babylonian exile (Dan 9,2), or end before the generation of witnesses of the abomination will pass (Mt 24,32-34).

What should one do in this time of tribulation? flee to the mountains (Mt 24,16), not go back to the house to take ones coat (Mt 24,17-18), Go out from Babylon (Ap 18,4). If therefore they shall say to you: Behold he is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold he is in the closets, believe it not. (Mt 24,26)


Looks like home-aloning is recommended.
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